Will be interesting to see what happens with Bullock and Corey. While I hope Corey stays, I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves to play overseas. Bullock does look like he has some talent, but hard to judge, because he seems out of shape. I doubt Souf goes anywhere unless he wants to step down a level or someone wants him as a grad transfer. Definitely does not have B1G talent. Love to see at least one scholarship open up.
2018 Valdir Manuel Committing Soon
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You can’t. If he’s committing soon, can’t see it being us. We are going to have be a late addition.
Rutgers season will probably end the last week in February.Pikiell should have a good idea what players are staying and leaving the first week in March after having meetings with the players.Sanders departure would have the greatest impact but some other players should be encouraged to transfer to a school where they would get more playing time.
Sounds like he wanted to commit to SHU and they told him they weren’t ready to accept.
Interesting that Illinois is in the mix. Antigua must be doing a good job recruiting as Illinois also got a commitment from Alan Griffin
Have they even offered Jones? I don't see them listed on his offer list. I think he is being under recruited and can definitely play at this level.
RU has an offer out but not sure if any coaches have been specifically out to see Manuel in recent weeks...i believe fhe RS of Myles Johnson paid off here where he is going to be an option with Shaq Doorson perhaps staying, Carter and Doucoure...that would be 5 bigs and probably too many right now with other players a bigger priority when a spot opens for 2018.
Illinois just lost 2017, 4* recruit and Mr Basketball, SG Mark Smith, who announced he isleaving Illinois....that spot opens up for Allen Griffin, who RU liked a lot but is behind kids like Hyatt and perhaps Strickland....there are also rumblings that starter at Illinois, Leron Black, may be a grad transfer, which would be another body blow to the depth chart of Illinois and explains the recent Manuel interest.
Seton Hall has held the inside track for months but seemingly have not yet accepted or landed Manuel....perhaps it's an off the court issue(s), but i just suspect he may not be ready off the court for this type of trust. He can definitely score but my guess is he's a transfer out risk as soon as he arrives somewhere...especially if he doesnt secure a lot of PT right away.
Illinois just lost 2017, 4* recruit and Mr Basketball, SG Mark Smith, who announced he isleaving Illinois....that spot opens up for Allen Griffin, who RU liked a lot but is behind kids like Hyatt and perhaps Strickland....there are also rumblings that starter at Illinois, Leron Black, may be a grad transfer, which would be another body blow to the depth chart of Illinois and explains the recent Manuel interest.
Seton Hall has held the inside track for months but seemingly have not yet accepted or landed Manuel....perhaps it's an off the court issue(s), but i just suspect he may not be ready off the court for this type of trust. He can definitely score but my guess is he's a transfer out risk as soon as he arrives somewhere...especially if he doesnt secure a lot of PT right away.
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I don't see that kid as a step in right away and play at a high major level program.
Good player but to step right in and play at a Big Ten , ACC , BE type school you have to be really good physically , fundamentally and most important is you have to be able to defend which is the hardest part for many of these kids to learn.
Good player but to step right in and play at a Big Ten , ACC , BE type school you have to be really good physically , fundamentally and most important is you have to be able to defend which is the hardest part for many of these kids to learn.
If we backed off on Manuel, might that mean the staff has a commitment from Doorson to stay for another year?
I think this is the key, especially against the huge players like Haas and perhaps others...Shaq has invested a lot of time rehabbing and getting better and will be going through an important off-season, where it may be the 1st time since his arrival at RU, where health and comfort in the system actually come together. I don't think he is better than Doucoure, even at this stage, but plays with more comfort in the system.
I see Doucoure taking a major step forward.....I love his confidence and skill sets and with adding Myles Johnson (just as skilled as Manuel offensively within 10 -15 feet), there really isn't room right now....Manuel has an overall offensive game that is very good, but defense is optional for him and I'd see him as the 4th Big right now without his attention/willingness to defend, with a chance to move up, if he decided to really work. If he was a class of '19 kid, I'd be more inclined to take him, but we have our Bigs set for next season.
Are you saying there isn't a room for a big? That is absolutely crazy. There is a DESPERATE need!
Well, Doorson wasn't a lock to stay, from what I understood - if he has committed to come back for his 5th year, that's a great thing.
While Doucoure is more skilled/athletic/agile than Doorson is, he just doesn't have the size Doorson has to body up to some of the post players in the Big Ten.
Our post players for next year:
7-0, 275 - Doorson (Sr-5th)
6-10, 264 - Johnson (RS Fr)
6-9, 243 - Doucoure (So)
6-9, 240 - Carter (Jr)
6-7, 234 - Omoruyi (Jr)
Not saying there isn't room for a big if a spot frees up - there is a definite need there, but the need isn't quite as dire if Doorson comes back.
While Doucoure is more skilled/athletic/agile than Doorson is, he just doesn't have the size Doorson has to body up to some of the post players in the Big Ten.
Our post players for next year:
7-0, 275 - Doorson (Sr-5th)
6-10, 264 - Johnson (RS Fr)
6-9, 243 - Doucoure (So)
6-9, 240 - Carter (Jr)
6-7, 234 - Omoruyi (Jr)
Not saying there isn't room for a big if a spot frees up - there is a definite need there, but the need isn't quite as dire if Doorson comes back.
We just watched a team that gave Jake Daidka and Souf Mensah real minutes in important games. And we may lose Corey Sanders. We were one of the better rebounding teams in the country and our interior defense was more than solid. And we add more than we lose up front. Our glaring need is guard depth. As Hawk posted above if he was a '19 kid I'd be more interested.
I think Doorson will be back. There was a funny story at the last Court Club meeting that a little young lady on the gymnastic team had caught the fancy of Shaq and that it was a site to see him being so tall standing next to the short young lady. If this is true I doubt he leaves.
I really don't see Shaq going anywhere. Never have as long as coach wanted him to stay and I am guessing he wants him to stay. And I am personally good with that.
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Onamuyi and Carter start at the 4 and 5 respectively. Think combined in 54 mpg, they are good for 20 ppg and 16 RPG
Doicoure is the back up PF and gets 14 mpg and gets 4 ppg
Johnson and Doorson are a combo back up at the center at 12 mpg and get 3 ppg combined
Five guys getting 27 ppg our of the 80 minutes at the four and five spot is depth and is enough scoring to get to 70 ppg plus if Corey returns, baker stays the same and with improved scoring productivity out of the 40 minutes at the 3 spot
Onamuyi and Carter start at the 4 and 5 respectively. Think combined in 54 mpg, they are good for 20 ppg and 16 RPG
Doicoure is the back up PF and gets 14 mpg and gets 4 ppg
Johnson and Doorson are a combo back up at the center at 12 mpg and get 3 ppg combined
Five guys getting 27 ppg our of the 80 minutes at the four and five spot is depth and is enough scoring to get to 70 ppg plus if Corey returns, baker stays the same and with improved scoring productivity out of the 40 minutes at the 3 spot
I was thinking desperate need for the future.
I look at the 5 bigs on the roster and really think they need an upgrade. I could be wrong. I still think in a perfect world Eugene is a guy playing 20 minutes per game bringing a different dimension. Not in love with him penciled in for 27 starter minutes and asking him to rebound both boards. Shaq carter to me is a name. We are going to ask him to make the leap from junior college to playing in the B1G and playing starter minutes. If his minutes are high we will have a freshman wall too. Johnson was redshirted...that is a bad sign at a school like rutgers. Duke is a center in a PF body. I am having trpouble seeing it.
I envision with all the 2/3 bodies we have on the roster there will be a huge temptation to ask Issa to play "the 4".
I look at the 5 bigs on the roster and really think they need an upgrade. I could be wrong. I still think in a perfect world Eugene is a guy playing 20 minutes per game bringing a different dimension. Not in love with him penciled in for 27 starter minutes and asking him to rebound both boards. Shaq carter to me is a name. We are going to ask him to make the leap from junior college to playing in the B1G and playing starter minutes. If his minutes are high we will have a freshman wall too. Johnson was redshirted...that is a bad sign at a school like rutgers. Duke is a center in a PF body. I am having trpouble seeing it.
I envision with all the 2/3 bodies we have on the roster there will be a huge temptation to ask Issa to play "the 4".
So you're expecting *both* of them to be better rebounders next year than Freeman was in either of the last two years.... um, okay...
The last time we had even one player average at least 8 rbs a game was Echenique in 2008-09, and before that was Rashod Kent in 2000-02. The last time we had two players combine to average at least 16 rpg together was 1990-91 with Keith Hughes (10.0) and Brent Dabbs (7.5).
i thought both numbers were a tad high, but he could be right.
Mike williams was a 7.6 11.6 (oreb %, dreb%)
sanders was a 1.5 12.9
geo only a 1.2 6.5
You are taking a lot of minutes of good DREB out of the guard slot away. A Dreb or 2 ends up in OPP hands because #3 and #5 aren't in line up. 3 or 4 DREBs end up in the hands of a different Scarlet Knight and statistcly it has a good chance of being Carter or Eugene.
So Eugene and Shaq C can be equivalent rebounders but end up with bigger numbers because Corey and Mike aren't there getting above the trim defensive rebounds.
Mike williams was a 7.6 11.6 (oreb %, dreb%)
sanders was a 1.5 12.9
geo only a 1.2 6.5
You are taking a lot of minutes of good DREB out of the guard slot away. A Dreb or 2 ends up in OPP hands because #3 and #5 aren't in line up. 3 or 4 DREBs end up in the hands of a different Scarlet Knight and statistcly it has a good chance of being Carter or Eugene.
So Eugene and Shaq C can be equivalent rebounders but end up with bigger numbers because Corey and Mike aren't there getting above the trim defensive rebounds.
Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE it if either of them could average 8 rb/g, and even more if they could average 16 rb/g together.... I just really don't see that happening. No team in the B1G this year has two guys who average 16 rb/g together... and there are only 4 B1G players who even average 8.0 or better per game.
The closest duo is Mike Watkins (8.9) and Lamar Stevens (6.2) on PA St, who combine for 15.1 rb/g. Keita Bates-Diop (8.8) and Jae'Sean Tate (6.2) on OSU combine for 15.0.
Also, hopefully our shooting percentage goes up a bit, too, and there won't be quite so many offensive rebound opportunities.
