I agree Simpson is a better all around player than JMike. However for whatever reason JaMike "fits in" better with the team. It may not be fair or right, but it is what it is.
I see a spot for JaMike in the future with the team.
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I see a spot for JaMike in the future with the team.
No problem with him being a role player and I want his energy and fight on the team. Is DS if he has guys who can actually finish? There were 4 layups missed just yesterday by guys not being able to finish. I look forward to the off season and see what it all looks like next year
Here's a list of P5 players (INCLUDING centers) in 2023/24 who average the following...
12+ points/game
8+ rebounds/game
50%+ FG percentage
1+ blocks/game
| Name | Class | PPG | RPG | FG% | BPG |
| Zach Edey (Purdue) | SR | 24.2 | 11.7 | 61.9% | 2.2 |
| Hunter Dickinson (Kansas) | SR | 18.0 | 10.8 | 55.0% | 1.4 |
| Kyle Filipowski (Duke) | SO | 16.7 | 8.0 | 50.4% | 1.6 |
| Johni Broome (Auburn) | JR | 16.3 | 8.5 | 54.5% | 2.3 |
| Kel'el Ware (Indiana) | SO | 16.1 | 9.8 | 59.9% | 1.9 |
| Joel Soriano (St John's) | SR | 14.1 | 9.4 | 58.2% | 1.8 |
| Armando Bacot (UNC) | SR | 13.9 | 10.1 | 54.0% | 1.6 |
| Julian Reese (Maryland) | JR | 13.9 | 9.7 | 54.2% | 1.9 |
| Oumar Ballo (Arizona) | SR | 13.1 | 10.0 | 64.0% | 1.0 |
| Baye Ndongo (GT) | FR | 12.0 | 8.3 | 56.2% | 1.1 |
| Jesse Edwards (WVU) | SR | 15.0 | 8.2 | 60.3% | 1.7 |
| N'Faly Dante (Oregon) | SR | 15.4 | 8.9 | 67.7% | 1.9 |
So a total of TWELVE guys did that at the P5 level, with 7 of those being centers and 9 of them being upper classmen. Baye is the only freshmen on this list. You nailed it, only 5 non centers even when relaxing the FG percentage a bit
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Beautiful formatting too, much better than when I made a similar hunt for these types of players earlier in this thread. Well done!
As I look back now, I never really viewed this season as being about JMike or Derek. Coming into the year, a lot was expected of Derek and there were almost no expectations on JMike. While you can argue that expectations on Derek were too great, IMO, he fell far short of what he was supposed to be, whcih was at least improved from last year. In fact, Derek's performance, in large part, accounted for why JMike played as much as he did. So, while JMike is a mess on the foul line and isn't a consistent scorer, I viewed it for what it was -- a freshman who probably shouldn't have played as much as he did but was forced to because the older guys (including Derek) didn't do what they were supposed to do.
Moving forward, I see JMike as a nice bench piece could spell Dylan for 10-12 minutes per game in part because I think that's what he is as a player. I simply don't see Derek filling that role because he's a shoot first guy who loves the ball in his hands.
Moving forward, I see JMike as a nice bench piece could spell Dylan for 10-12 minutes per game in part because I think that's what he is as a player. I simply don't see Derek filling that role because he's a shoot first guy who loves the ball in his hands.
JMIke is an elite defensive player.
Awesome for coming off the bench or even starting.
Splitting time with JWill (who seems to befoul prone) he is a great fit
Awesome for coming off the bench or even starting.
Splitting time with JWill (who seems to befoul prone) he is a great fit
The thing about Davis is that his shooting is getting BETTER as the season progresses. I am starting to feel comfortable when he goes to the foul line. More of his shots are going in.
Simpson cannot shoot to save his life. Since he is such a great foul shooter, I am thinking that by now it must be largely in his head.
Both of these guys have the potential to be elite defenders.
So the decisions Pike has to make are clear. JMike will stay and be an integral part of our future. Unfortunately Simpson will need a change, even with his great attitude and defense.
Simpson cannot shoot to save his life. Since he is such a great foul shooter, I am thinking that by now it must be largely in his head.
Both of these guys have the potential to be elite defenders.
So the decisions Pike has to make are clear. JMike will stay and be an integral part of our future. Unfortunately Simpson will need a change, even with his great attitude and defense.
Despite having a better run where he took nothing but layups or wide open shots, he shot 5 for 21 the last three games
JMike had a good freshman year and much to be encouraged about. His minutes being increased had little to do with Derek and more to do with Noah being unplayable to play point and defense at this level.
Jmike definitely has a role to play but his size will limit him defensively against bigger guards. Austin Williams time came because Jmike could not matchup with Illinois and other bigger guards.
This season was more then just DS and JMike and used appropriately by Pike and staff there are roles for both.
HOLD ON...
WHY do we think that Simpson is a better "all-around" player than JMike? I think the stats below are correct:
D - JMike
O - let's look at the stats (soph vs frosh):
Intangibles - IMHO, JMike brings something to the floor that Derek just doesn't
FG % Simpson 31% Davis 37.1%'
3'PT FG % 86.4/52.2
FT % 29.4/23.5
Steals 1.4/1.2
Blocks .1/.3
Assists 2.9/1.8
TO's 1.5/1.2
....Simpson's #'s, for someone with a year experience over Davis, don't warrant a "better overall player' to me ESPECIALLY when you take into account D and "intangibles." IMHO, of course!
WHY do we think that Simpson is a better "all-around" player than JMike? I think the stats below are correct:
D - JMike
O - let's look at the stats (soph vs frosh):
Intangibles - IMHO, JMike brings something to the floor that Derek just doesn't
FG % Simpson 31% Davis 37.1%'
3'PT FG % 86.4/52.2
FT % 29.4/23.5
Steals 1.4/1.2
Blocks .1/.3
Assists 2.9/1.8
TO's 1.5/1.2
....Simpson's #'s, for someone with a year experience over Davis, don't warrant a "better overall player' to me ESPECIALLY when you take into account D and "intangibles." IMHO, of course!
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True but that was last year. NIL funds- for better or WORSE - are fluid.
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Now compare to Simpson’s freshman year stats and get back to me
Looking just at the last 15 games we've played:
eFG%
55.1 - Omoruyi (70-128)
50.0 - Fernandes (25-66)
47.8 - J. Williams (53-115)
41.9 - Davis (32-80)
41.5 - Mag (28-71)
41.3 - Hyatt (42-121)
40.0 - A. Williams (15-40)
36.8 - Griffiths (25-87)
32.4 - Simpson (38-131)
3P% (at least 20 attempts)
.457 - Fernandes (16-35)
.318 - Griffiths (14-44)
.273 - Simpson (9-33)
.250 - Hyatt (16-64)
.200 - J. Williams (4-20)
.136 - Mag (3-22)
2P%
.543 - Omoruyi (69-127)
.516 - J. Williams (45-95)
.510 - Mag (25-49)
.456 - Hyatt (26-57)
.453 - Davis (29-64)
.371 - A. Williams (13-35)
.296 - Simpson (26-98)
.290 - Fernandes (9-31)
.256 - Griffiths (11-43)
eFG%
55.1 - Omoruyi (70-128)
50.0 - Fernandes (25-66)
47.8 - J. Williams (53-115)
41.9 - Davis (32-80)
41.5 - Mag (28-71)
41.3 - Hyatt (42-121)
40.0 - A. Williams (15-40)
36.8 - Griffiths (25-87)
32.4 - Simpson (38-131)
3P% (at least 20 attempts)
.457 - Fernandes (16-35)
.318 - Griffiths (14-44)
.273 - Simpson (9-33)
.250 - Hyatt (16-64)
.200 - J. Williams (4-20)
.136 - Mag (3-22)
2P%
.543 - Omoruyi (69-127)
.516 - J. Williams (45-95)
.510 - Mag (25-49)
.456 - Hyatt (26-57)
.453 - Davis (29-64)
.371 - A. Williams (13-35)
.296 - Simpson (26-98)
.290 - Fernandes (9-31)
.256 - Griffiths (11-43)
I know you like Simpson - I’m not sure if Davis is necessarily better than him but he probably will fit in better next year. He’s friends with Ace and more likely to accept a complimentary support role. I could be wrong but I don’t see Simpson embracing that type of role for next season.
He’s been a high volume type shot attempt guy since coming to RU and I just don’t see him switching gears on that. It’s his style which is a problem when you can’t shoot. He’s only shot above 40% five times all season.
I don’t think this means what you think it means 🤣
Simpson had less rebounds assists blocks and steals then he did as a sophomore. Davis had better numbers in all categories than Simpson’s freshman year
Still only a freshman!!!!
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You also can’t compare their frosh stats as Simpson played with a much better surrounding cast on offense overall.
100%. There will be much interest from transfers to join a program that will play for a bag of money in season.
If RU does play in such a tournament along with NIL consideration$ Ace and Dylan along with Latham will be able to attract quality players that want to link up with other quality players to “get it” and by it, I mean the money.
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Davis thru 31 gm
23-24 2pt 55-136 40.4%, 3pt 8-34 23.5%
Simpson thru 34 gm and 31 gm
22-23 2pt 79-186 42.5%, 3pt 13-60 21.4%,
23-24 2pt 65-205 31.7%, 3pt 20-68 29.4%
Davis Vs top 50
23-24 2pt FG 23-60 38.3%, 3pt FG 6-18 33.3%
Simpson vs top 50
22-23 2pt FG 34-81 42.0%, 3pt FG 4-22 18.2%
23-24 2pt FG 36-115 31.3% 3pt FG 8-28 28.6%
Davis in Conf. Gms
23-24 2pt FG 38-91 41.8% 3pt FG 5-23 21.7%
Simpson Conf. Gms
22-23 2pt FG 40-92 43.5% 3pt FG 4-24 16.7%
23-24 2pt FG 41-135 30.4% 3pt FG 14-45 31.1%
23-24 2pt 55-136 40.4%, 3pt 8-34 23.5%
Simpson thru 34 gm and 31 gm
22-23 2pt 79-186 42.5%, 3pt 13-60 21.4%,
23-24 2pt 65-205 31.7%, 3pt 20-68 29.4%
Davis Vs top 50
23-24 2pt FG 23-60 38.3%, 3pt FG 6-18 33.3%
Simpson vs top 50
22-23 2pt FG 34-81 42.0%, 3pt FG 4-22 18.2%
23-24 2pt FG 36-115 31.3% 3pt FG 8-28 28.6%
Davis in Conf. Gms
23-24 2pt FG 38-91 41.8% 3pt FG 5-23 21.7%
Simpson Conf. Gms
22-23 2pt FG 40-92 43.5% 3pt FG 4-24 16.7%
23-24 2pt FG 41-135 30.4% 3pt FG 14-45 31.1%
I also understand very well that a CBB season isn't 20 games, it's usually 32 to 35 games in most cases.
What does that even mean?
He impressed on D in enough games as our press master to say that for the team we had (at full strength) he was an elite defender. The data is there. End of story.
I’m with you on the more broad point that his skill set has been overvalued to an extent. He was good for that team because it gave us two different approaches to unstoppable defense - the press and a lock down halfcourt scheme with a healthy Caleb. When we weren’t at full strength early, he was a good defender, but not nearly as impactful. Some of those early games were against terrible teams - when we played Temple and even UMass Lowell, he was solid on D, but his value wasn’t as noticable. We were never going to be a full time pressing team and Caleb was the anchor of the halfcourt D. Full stop. Losing Mag hurt us in the press dimension and overall depth. Some folks took that to mean he would be vital to any team in that same way which I don’t think is true.
Some other stats looking at the last 15 games, on a per 40 in basis:
| Player | Pts | Rb | Ast | Stl | Tov |
| J. Williams | 18.8 pts | 5.3 rb | 4.3 ast | 1.8 stl | 2.7 tov |
| Omoruyi | 17.1 pts | 11.7 rb | 0.5 ast | 1.3 stl | 2.0 tov |
| Hyatt | 14.2 pts | 5.8 rb | 2.0 ast | 1.5 stl | 2.4 tov |
| Fernandes | 13.2 pts | 3.3 rb | 3.4 ast | 1.4 stl | 2.4 tov |
| Mag | 12.0 pts | 4.1 rb | 1.3 ast | 2.0 stl | 2.9 tov |
| Griffiths | 11.0 pts | 5.6 rb | 1.9 ast | 0.5 stl | 1.3 tov |
| Simpson | 10.6 pts | 5.1 rb | 4.3 ast | 2.1 stl | 1.9 tov |
| Davis | 10.1 pts | 5.8 rb | 1.9 ast | 2.1 stl | 2.0 tov |
| Ogbole | 10.1 pts | 9.6 rb | 0.5 ast | 2.7 stl | 3.7 tov |
| Palmquist | 9.7 pts | 4.0 rb | 1.0 ast | 1.0 stl | 1.7 tov |
| Woolfolk | 8.9 pts | 12.3 rb | 1.7 ast | 2.6 stl | 4.3 tov |
| A. Williams | 8.4 pts | 6.4 rb | 1.8 ast | 1.4 stl | 2.5 tov |
Interesting. Simpson's 3pt % and FT% both moved in the right direction. Which makes you wonder if his 2 point shooting this season is a mental or mechanical issue?
All of you who get caught up in this Simpson vs JMike debates really kills me. I don’t get it, neither one can shoot, evidenced by Simpson at 29% and Davis at 23% from 3 point range. It’s like having a debate about which is healthier, McDonald’s or Burger King? Uhhhhh, neither is healthy. That’s how I see both Simpson and JMike, neither is special, neither can shoot very well……what are we debating here???? Which one sucks less than the other??? Let’s get some guards in the portal that can shoot to play with Dylan and JWill and stop concerning ourselves with these two. They are reserve players at best on a quality high major roster, and the reality is both might hardly step on the court of a quality roster with the way they shoot. If Derek goes through the portal, then he goes, JMike can play a small part off the bench next year as hopefully we have some upgraded guards to play most of the minutes ahead of him.
I think there will be a fair amount of interest in coming here, but think you are really overstating things. First of all NBA scouts are watching every college basketball game, always looking for guys who might be a little under the radar playing for mid majors or even low majors. And if you really have NBA ambitions, you aren’t coming to Rutgers to be a complementary piece to Dylan and Ace, you will go to a program where you get to be the man and have the opportunity to carry the team, because that’s what it takes to get to the NBA.
Simpson banked two balls in that should have been misses. If you factor that in, he was really only at 26.4% from 3, which is not good.
Different teams, different playing time, and J Mike was a higher rated prospect. JMikes player efficiency rating and efg% were lower than DS freshman year.
Really isn't a question of which is better player, it's can the roster have three guys (JWill) w similar non shooting games.
Davis isn’t going anywhere. He came here knowing he would play with his friend Ace next year. Truthfully - he probably didn’t even expect to play as much as he did this year. Paul and Cam were supposed to be here.
Simpson was higher rated slightly but its essentially a wash. Neither was rated high
The difference is Davis was a true freshman. Most players will see improvement after a year of experience and S&C
If Davis regresses and shoots worse next season, he will get plenty of criticism on the boards
The S&C…….they need to revamp that whole program and bring in a new S&C coach. Only thing it produced is some technical fouls during Big Ten tourney and I think Derek may have somehow actually become skinnier from his freshman year (sarcasm….not sarcasm?).
So let me get this straight. One player in 7 years not gaining enough weight in 1 year means you fire the S&C Coach?
It's the Silly Season.
Simpson has grown as a defender and become a very disruptive force on that end. But he’s still very skinny, doesn’t look like he’s going to bulk up very much, and plays out of control and has put up two seasons of mind boggingly inefficient seasons. Davis feels like there is at least hope for him on that end of the floor, nothing completely obvious as to why he is inefficient and seems to just have a different mindset about the game than Simpson. He has a good connection with Bailey and had games this year being really impressive on defense and sometimes being the guy to put on the other teams best player as a freshman, so all in all I’d say he’s the one to keep and I’d be ok moving on from Simpson.
