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5 players in the portal - Richie from the pod

Injuries are tough to comment on bc the average board poster has no idea how healthy a player is. It's speculation

RU72 posts Mag is badly banged up. If that's true, then it's hard to judge Mag negatively. He does have an injury history so if he wants to play it more cautiously it's understandable

Richie essentially saying the opposite. If Mag is actually healthy and choosing to sit, that's unfortunate. This season is basically over anyway so whatever. I understand Mag protecting himself, but I wouldn't like that decision. It's his to make though. If it is this scenario then him leaving would seemingly be the case. Choosing to sit if he's healthy then coming back next season would be a strange move
I haven’t seen Richie say that Mag COULD play but is choosing not to. I have seen Richie say that Mag’s “people”/handlers would like to see him enter the portal. But those are two different things. And just because somebody’s sources are saying the latter, doesn’t mean the former is true. (And I would add that other sources say that Mag is simply hurt).

And this is my entire point in getting on my soapbox in my previous post above — NOBODY knows what the truth is about Mag, so it’s irresponsible speculation to state that he’s dogging it. I would expect more from responsible posters.

To Hawk’s and Greene’s point about Pike’s comments when asked about Mag — remember that HIPAA prohibits Pike from commenting about a player’s medical health without consent. So his brusque comments could just be a way for him to deflect the questions while protecting Mag’s right to medical privacy. Again, the point is that NOBODY HERE KNOWS.

If it comes out later that Mag could’ve played but chose not to for selfish reasons, I will be the first to say that he did us dirty. But until that is established as a FACT, and not merely speculation, he is one of ours and deserves the benefit of the doubt as a player who has had multiple injuries throughout his career and is coming back from ACL surgery.
 
12 pts a game is a lot in college. According to the stats at ESPN, there are only 33 guys in the Big Ten that score 12+ pts per game. That does not include Jeremiah Williams so they must have some filter of minimum games played to qualify, but still... that leaves around 2.5 guys per team that average 12+. Even high scoring Iowa only has three guys that average over 12 per game.

There are only 14 guys in the conference that average a block per game. Only 6 of those guys average a dozen points.
 
Mag wasn't critical to our team last season because he was lighting up the scoreboard. He was critical as the last piece in the rotational puzzle (note I do not mean the lowest man on the totem pole), and the one that made our press AWESOME. Guys generally were "sharing the game" and played their role within the game plan. After his injury, we had to try to reinvent that magic in the middle of the B1G season and it never clicked again.

While we don't know what is happening behind the scenes, it sure looks hard to trust Mag will answer the bell every night out next season - which is a shame, because a veteran with his glue guy ability could be a great part of the roster with so much young talent next year.

Along with his excellent D, he was giving us 8 ppg and trending up. Unfortunately, he’s been a shell of his pre-injury self. He’ll get a nice pay day transferring.
 
If Oskar stays, he would be doing so knowing he likely will be end of the bench, but he might be OK with that and just want to be a part of the historic season

JMike was a lower ranked player who started for us most of the season and has played well as a freshman. He's boys with Ace. It would be shocking if he left. Can't see it

I think you retain Oskar no matter what as a culture guy. He’s such a great teammate, leader and team first guy - it’s unfortunate that his tangibles aren’t as strong as his intangibles. I think Ive seen him land on his head 3x this season and he bounces back up and grinds through it.
 
I’ve won this one. Pick you’re next topic lol

Ahhh the classic response of “I won” and failure to reply to the last post with anything of substance.

I don’t think that anything screams you “lost” more than that response. You must not be able to disagree with anything I wrote LOL.

But good thing this wasn’t about winning or losing. It was supposed to be a healthy debate and you were disagreeing about 1 point per game - but it looks like you have nothing left LOL.
 
I don't think Mag would average over 10 next year, but we don't need him to and that's a good thing

He would take less shots and his efficiency numbers would go up
 
I see no chance Davis (unless something crazy happens with Ace), Griffiths, or J-Will (who Ace and Dylan have said they want to play with) leaving.

Chol, Wolf, Ogbole are irrelevant. They can't play at this level anyway.

Simpson would hurt, but he can't shoot. So is he really a loss?

And Mag is not a loss. I know he was a glue guy last year. But he was pretty mediocre this year, and truth be told, we would have been better off if Mag left (as was predicted) than Cam.

If Pike keeps Davis, Gavin, J-Will, then convinces Cliff to stay, adds another portal guy (and someone better than Fernandes), and brings in the freshman, this is a top 15 team.
 
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It’s hard to compare two players on ball half court defense when one is simultaneously expected to be the “go to” bail out guy on help - sometimes for multiple players in the scheme. Caleb plays a less flashy style, but he was always the more valuable halfcourt defender.
Caleb was a better overall defender, but he is not quick and is easier to get downhill against than the Mag of last year.
 
Caleb was a better overall defender, but he is not quick and is easier to get downhill against than the Mag of last year.
Mag would grade out as the more agile player. Caleb not particularly fast in transition on either offense or D. But in the halfcourt sets, he was “quick”. What your describing might have been true but didn’t impact us because Cliff is a good rim protector. Could be possible. But Caleb is quick in both recovery and help when restricting a team to a halfcourt game. He’s less effective in preventing transition run outs,
 
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Yeah there’s no real reason to believe the staff would change their approach or be able to execute on it.
I don't really they there's much reason to believe they can't execute either. I mean you've essentially got one bad offseason and it required being blindsided by two guys.
Sojo - I recall you being one of the few posters who supported Hawk’s takes in the Summer/Fall that we would be a better overall team this year without Cam/Paul and an improved roster with the likes of Simpson, Noah, JMike, Williams, Griffiths, Hyatt, and Oscar leading the way with Cliff/Mag.

This was always a ridiculous take and everyone knew we would take a step back this year but curious what changed for you to now say last offseason was a disaster by Pikiell?
The same thing that changes with everybody.. they've seen the results and they backfill their opinions accordingly.
 
Mag would grade out as the more agile player. Caleb not particularly fast in transition on either offense or D. But in the halfcourt sets, he was “quick”. What your describing might have been true but didn’t impact us because Cliff is a good rim protector. Could be possible. But Caleb is quick in both recovery and help when restricting a team to a halfcourt game. He’s less effective in preventing transition runhttps://youtube.com/clip/UgkxAfg0K0-oB3wrP9j5HjmuPiWbWDwetIC9?si=FoaUn2bbDfnZD1w2 outs,
Caleb

Mag is not the same level of defender or possess the toughness of Caleb. One is a two-time B1G defensive player of the year and the other is not. Oh, Caleb was the national defensive player of the year.
 
Paul also made similar comments, then bailed a few months later.
Paul was a broken man and his earlier comments were probably honest. People can always change their minds, but people who are (honestly) saying those things are less likely to leave than people who aren't.
 
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I don't think Mag would average over 10 next year, but we don't need him to and that's a good thing

He would take less shots and his efficiency numbers would go up

Agree we wouldn’t need him to score 10 ppg and that he would take less shots with an improved efficiency…but guys like Dylan and Ace could really open up easy baskets for Mag cutting to the hoop.

Getting to 10 ppg wouldn’t be difficult at all as we should* be scoring way more points

It most likely doesn’t matter though as signs are pointing to him not returning.
 
Gotta believe Mag wants to be more than just a defensive specialist and would look for opportunities to up his offensive game. I can't see him staying here with R young guns coming in along with the potential of GG taking a step forward next season.
 
Agree we wouldn’t need him to score 10 ppg and that he would take less shots with an improved efficiency…but guys like Dylan and Ace could really open up easy baskets for Mag cutting to the hoop.

Getting to 10 ppg wouldn’t be difficult at all as we should* be scoring way more points

It most likely doesn’t matter though as signs are pointing to him not returning.
Mag was our best cutter last year

Gotta believe Mag wants to be more than just a defensive specialist and would look for opportunities to up his offensive game. I can't see him staying here with R young guns coming in along with the potential of GG taking a step forward next season.
This is possible. He may want to go somewhere that he thinks he can have a bigger offensive role bc it will shrink next season if he returns
 
Simpson is interesting I don’t see him getting an “upgrade” offer anywhere it would be more of him moving to a “lower” program for more playing time
I can see Simpson dropping down a level to play at one of the local Philly mid majors like Temple or St. Joe's or maybe Delaware. He's a D1 player, just not a B1G player.
 
I think Simpson could be a decent offensive player at a place like Rider where the game slows down and he's not tasked with guarding Jahmir Young or Tyson Walker or Boo Buie etc.
 
Is Simpson going to make the wide open mid range jumpers in the A10 that he's missing in the B1G?

He had terrible shooting games against the cupcakes OOC this year too
 
Gotta believe Mag wants to be more than just a defensive specialist and would look for opportunities to up his offensive game. I can't see him staying here with R young guns coming in along with the potential of GG taking a step forward next season.
You could be right, but thats never been what he's shown. Going back to Prolific Prep. Mag was on that stacked team, and played his same game - as he does now. Team ball, never focused on himself. Dylan and Ace wouldn't alter Mags game at all
 
I can see Simpson dropping down a level to play at one of the local Philly mid majors like Temple or St. Joe's or maybe Delaware. He's a D1 player, just not a B1G player.
Delaware sounds about right for Derek. Its currently a winning program. Close to home. I know Jameer Nelson Jr was playing there
 
Mag was our best cutter last year


This is possible. He may want to go somewhere that he thinks he can have a bigger offensive role bc it will shrink next season if he returns
I don’t think it will be about what he “wants” - unless he’s thinking of coming back for free. Based on how this year went, dedicating substantial NIL resources to try to retain Mag would be a strategic error.
 
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Delaware sounds about right for Derek. Its currently a winning program. Close to home. I know Jameer Nelson Jr was playing there
Good academically for a mid major, winning program, nice college town in Newark with a strong South Jersey student body. I think Simpson would do well at UDel.
 
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Is Simpson going to make the wide open mid range jumpers in the A10 that he's missing in the B1G?

He had terrible shooting games against the cupcakes OOC this year too
If he's not working as hard defensively and has an extra split second to get himself right... yeah, I could see it. He's not going to be an insanely good shooter but he could be average in the A-10. Also part of it is that nobody is truly this bad of a shooter. He was 42% on twos as a freshman! Which isn't great but is definitely acceptable.
 
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How does Oskar still have a year of eligibility? Didn't he walk on senior day last year?
 
You could be right, but thats never been what he's shown. Going back to Prolific Prep. Mag was on that stacked team, and played his same game - as he does now. Team ball, never focused on himself. Dylan and Ace wouldn't alter Mags game at all
I suspect his goals and motivations changed since high school, but maybe--I hope actually-you're right and he does stay @RU. We shall see.
 
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The past 1.5 years, 2 years, I think Hawk has had a really good take on the program and how decisions can, should, and are made. I’m sure I liked a lot of his posts that probably had a few of these overlapping topics mentioned. We’re talking on the edges of a lot of different topics now so it can get muddy.

There is an aspect to this too, where a decision or thought can be sound, but one in which Pike is not suited to execute - which is a knock BUT also an understanding that there are different ways to end up in similar places. It’s a sentiment on pike that I think was on display with pikes “favorite team/best team comments” where he is most confident in his team when it’s structure fits his ideal play style. And why he prefers certain players over others.

You know I have said although the ride has been fun at times, we have not accomplished much in the landscape of CBB. That is how I view our program and the decisions/results that comes. 2019-2020 covid year was a shame - an NCAA tournament performance that year may be the most significant missed opportunity of our lifetime, slightly ahead of the Houston coaching debacle. Programs are made by taking advantage of the very few opportunities that come. Of course, I recognize what the results of the last 8 years mean based on our history too.

Not sure what Hawk would say. He was resolutely high on Simpson before his first year. I thought that impact was wishful thinking. But, I thought Simpson as a primary ball handler, and cliff in PNR would be a good fit and improve our offense. An offense we never really ran. I thought there was a path for Simpsons development for sure but that it was far from a likelihood. It took me maybe 5 games back in Nov to say soon pike will need to realize no 2 of our 3 guards can play together, and that Davis looked like the guy to keep for 2024. Mag has given us next to nothing. Just like last year, we are not good or deep enough to lose a key contributors impact.
Won't get into the parts on Hawk's thought, as I disagree with you, they've been bad. Not the thoughts per se, but the idea that this program should just be looking past a year at it's best time in decades, especially when you have zero idea's what a team may look like in 12 months.
Pikes insistence on playing three of our guards together, Mag or no Mag, has been baffling to me, especially since they are all pretty similar in style. I give Pike a slight pass, as losing his shooter late in the process really set him back for this year. For next year, I think there are way too many hopes being pinned on the portal. I don't know the scholarship count details, but if Cliff leaves, that has got to be the main focus spot. Bring Oskar back for end of bench, good team guy. If Cliff leaves, need a wing that can shoot and defend. Simpson comes back either way. Let the kid develop at his own pace., it would not shock me to see a 10% jump in his shooting numbers over the next year.
 
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Dude, you are still clueless....anyone with a clue, would see that your boy Mag, is clearly not the player you kept saying he was and sitting out games when he was cleared to play "some" minutes at the start of the season and now isn't playing any minutes at the end of the season.

In terms of playing faster, I just actually pay attention and when recruits in 2024 don't want to play games 56-52, you listen to the recruits. We shed the slower players and if Ndongo stuck and JWill was cleared at game 16 and not game 20, anyone with a clue would see RU is significantly better than last year.....OR are you telling me JWill isn't good or better than what we played with in the backcourt last year??? LMAO

If you watch ANY college basketball beyond the RU games, you would see Mag isn't a starter on most reasonable CBB rosters. And Ndongo and JWill with the younger guards like Griffiths, Simpson and Davis, makes way more sense than Mulcahy and Spencer gobbling up minutes and playing slower paced basketball.

If Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey commit to your program and want to play faster and showcase their skills, only you would blindly ignore that.....I agree with Dylan and Ace and the remaining 2024 class, but if I say it, I'm wrong??? LMAO
You really think J Will has been a huge boon for the team? Now, I do think he's an upgrade to current Simpson, but think that is all due to maturity and age. You keep talking about playing faster for next years team, and yet this team actually plays slower since J Will. Overall, we take less shots, we score less per game. We have shifted 3 three point shots to two point shots each game. Our rebounding is down, our steals per game are down. Our turnovers are down too, so that's a plus. Bottom line is J Will has really had very little effect on the team, except perhaps hindering the advancement of Simpson and JD's games, which you were so worried about.
 
Simpson has a 34% field goal percentage and 25% three-point percentage lifetime. Against that, it's not hard to be >. He's not just shooting bricks. These are mortar shots. Sometimes they're not even near the basket.
Yet Simpson's player efficiency rating is almost double JD's. He's a freshman that shouldn't be playing yet. He isn't any good yet, but he flashes, which is good sign for his development.
 
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You really think J Will has been a huge boon for the team? Now, I do think he's an upgrade to current Simpson, but think that is all due to maturity and age. You keep talking about playing faster for next years team, and yet this team actually plays slower since J Will. Overall, we take less shots, we score less per game. We have shifted 3 three point shots to two point shots each game. Our rebounding is down, our steals per game are down. Our turnovers are down too, so that's a plus. Bottom line is J Will has really had very little effect on the team, except perhaps hindering the advancement of Simpson and JD's games, which you were so worried about.
I must have missed the 78 points vs Wisconsin and 80+ boat race vs Michigan. Your numbers are skewed by 2 games vs the turtles of Maryland. If you can't see JWill impact (and the fact you ignore is he actually is scheduled to be here next year, unlike Cam or Paul), nothing here adds up whatsoever. Simpson and Davis and Gavin got what they needed to out of this year and that shows up on how we played defense this year. Simpson underachieving on offense was offset by Davis exceeding most fans expectations (even though I posted multiple times last summer that Davis and his HS tape far exceeded anything Simpson had out of HS on tape).
 
Yet Simpson's player efficiency rating is almost double JD's. He's a freshman that shouldn't be playing yet. He isn't any good yet, but he flashes, which is good sign for his development.
Fair enough, but suggesting that JDavis has problems doesn't do anything to improve Derek's two years of big problems.
 
Yes, of course replace Mag with an absolute stud if you can. This will require a big bag of cash. Do we have it?

How much money is there to to around?

Ace and Dylan are getting big money. Have to assume Lathan has something. Grant Dortch not sure

JWill needs to get paid. He earned a raise. It's a given other teams would be willing to offer him a nice chunk of change

A portal 3 poont shooting guard will cost money

Cliff bigggg bag... if he doesn't go pro $EC or blue blood I'm sure woild offer him a lot

Have to assume there isn't unlimited NIL funds to land studs at every position and keep the studs we have

If this is a fantasy world and we have unlimited cash then by all means throw the bag at Ndongo and let Mag walk. I was the biggest Ndongo lover on the board. I'd be alllll for it. I just doubt Rutgers will have the cash he is going to command
Exactly. RU is paying Dylan and Ace. I can’t imagine they have a lot left over with the other players coming too.
 
I must have missed the 78 points vs Wisconsin and 80+ boat race vs Michigan. Your numbers are skewed by 2 games vs the turtles of Maryland. If you can't see JWill impact (and the fact you ignore is he actually is scheduled to be here next year, unlike Cam or Paul), nothing here adds up whatsoever. Simpson and Davis and Gavin got what they needed to out of this year and that shows up on how we played defense this year. Simpson underachieving on offense was offset by Davis exceeding most fans expectations (even though I posted multiple times last summer that Davis and his HS tape far exceeded anything Simpson had out of HS on tape).
You mention two games as a skew, than bring up two games on the other end of the spectrum. That's why they are averages. What about the 87 against a good team in Nebraska? This team is shite offensively with and with J Will.
Paul and Cam have nothing to do with this conversation. They've been gone 9 months. That doesn't change the fact that THIS team THIS year would have been better with Cam than with J Will.

I think our opinions on Simpson align. I don't think JD has been better than Simpson this year, but he was a higher rated recruit playing higher level ball, doesn't take a savant to say his tape was better. Simpson was mostly a complete unknown when he jumped on board.
 
Exactly. RU is paying Dylan and Ace. I can’t imagine they have a lot left over with the other players coming too.
My understanding regarding the Ace and Dylan situtaion is that a lot of their NIL money came from irregular sources (i.e. shoe companies, big-money donors, etc) versus the collective pool.

I'm not sure exactly how much is left over to scour the transfer portal, but I don't think its necessarily a zero-sum equation between paying those two and having $$ for other players
 
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