After watching the product on the field, do you think our S&C was improved this year?

[mildone]

If the state of the previous S&C program was as bad as noted by Parker, and Parker runs a program on par with other B1G S&C's, ie vastly superior, then yes, even in only 5 months time, I would expect to see a noted difference. Not saying our guys should be as good as big and strong as guys at the elite schools in conference. But I would expect to see a marked improvement in our team in the department from last year to this.

There you go again.

First of all, members of the media, at some point fairly early on, reported that the players looked bigger and stronger. If they could tell, that seems like a noted and marked difference.

And again, if you are going to cite on field performance, you have to find some way to separate out S&C from all the other factors that impact that performance in order to conclude that S&C hadn't improved as seen on the field.

 

[RU-05]

Except Moose hasn't shown conclusively that we didn't see a difference. Judging solely from the outcomes is not sufficient evidence to conclude that our players aren't bigger and stronger.

Moose's point was YOU CAN see a difference. Not whether we did or not. Which was counter to the point of: 5 months is not enough time.

It was a discussion of a point within the argument.

 

[theRU]

There you go again.

First of all, members of the media, at some point fairly early on, reported that the players looked bigger and stronger. If they could tell, that seems like a noted and marked difference.

And again, if you are going to cite on field performance, you have to find some way to separate out S&C from all the other factors that impact that performance in order to conclude that S&C hadn't improved as seen on the field.

You can lead a horse to water, but these horses are

 

[theRU]

Moose's point was YOU CAN see a difference. Not whether we did or not. Which was counter to the point of: 5 months is not enough time.

It was a discussion of a point within the argument.

seeing a difference and fully reaching your physical potential are not the same thing....In fact many athletes never reach their full potential.

 

[RU-05]

There you go again.

First of all, members of the media, at some point fairly early on, reported that the players looked bigger and stronger. If they could tell, that seems like a noted and marked difference.

And again, if you are going to cite on field performance, you have to find some way to separate out S&C from all the other factors that impact that performance in order to conclude that S&C hadn't improved as seen on the field.

So you are saying, yes Parker presence was noticeable. And your evidence is the media early on reporting they looked bigger and stronger?

 

[mildone]

Moose's point was YOU CAN see a difference. Not whether we did or not. Which was counter to the point of: 5 months is not enough time.

It was a discussion of a point within the argument.

Unless, of course, the argument about five months not being enough time was not meant to say one can't see ANY difference; just not enough time to catch us up to players who've been in a similarly great S&C program their entire college careers vs. only five months.

In which case, Moose's point was pointless. I mean, it's not atypical to see perceptible results from weight-lifting after just six weeks. All depends on where you start out from, and what you are targeting with your weight-lifting program.

One goal of strength and conditioning is surely to prevent injuries. I would have to go back and compare the numbers, but my perception this season is that we had fewer injuries resulting in players missing games.

 

[RU-05]

Great... so you acknowledge recruiting was progressively worse... yet you expected better results than last year because of 5 months of S&C????!!!!!!!!!! So Leonte carroo who was probably single handedly responsible for 3 wins last year can be off set by S&C? COME ON MAN!

The heart of the matter here, the OP of this discussion is: Was there a noticeable improvement in S&C? I've said, if there is, you can't use wins and losses to support it, because we actually lost more games this year.

You've said, there are too many variables to make a judgement.

Either way, neither of us is supporting the idea that Parker made a noticeable difference.

 

[RU-05]

One goal of strength and conditioning is surely to prevent injuries. I would have to go back and compare the numbers, but my perception this season is that we had fewer injuries resulting in players missing games.

Aight now here is a point in Parker's favor with which we can work.

 

[RU-05]

In which case, Moose's point was pointless. I mean, it's not atypical to see perceptible results from weight-lifting after just six weeks. All depends on where you start out from, and what you are targeting with your weight-lifting program.

And you get mad when I post Parker's "unfed and sickly" quote.

 

[mildone]

So you are saying, yes Parker presence was noticeable. And your evidence is the media early on reporting they looked bigger and stronger?

If you are pinning me to draw a premature conclusion, then I would say that yes, I think our players demonstrated better strength and conditioning training. Just not against the Big Ten elite teams.

We did play better in the final three quarters against Washington in the first game. And we didn't let up for the entire game.

As I just mentioned, I think we had fewer game-missing injuries than last season. Would need to confirm that, though.

The comments from the media who get to see the players close up and out of uniform is a factor.

Comments from a player I know also contribute to me thinking that the S&C program is improved.

None of this is what I consider conclusive. But it is all at least suggestive of better S&C than last year. To me, at least.

 

[KT8813]

It was Parker who shot off his big mouth when he arrived (very unprofessional I might add!). What's the old saying? Oh yeah "Act like you have been there before" and he clearly hasn't. No one can eyeball a team and immediately evaluate an entire squad. But he opened his big mouth so now let him explain how if they were that bad how they got worst since he got there. Answer: Being on the low end of a Big staff doesn't make you smart!

 

[mildone]

And you get mad when I post Parker's "unfed and sickly" quote.

I don't get mad at just about anything ever. I'm argumentative, sometimes aggressively so. But I'm just having fun. :)

 

[mildone]

It was Parker who shot off his big mouth when he arrived (very unprofessional I might add!). What's the old saying? Oh yeah "Act like you have been there before" and he clearly hasn't. No one can eyeball a team and immediately evaluate an entire squad. But he opened his big mouth so now let him explain how if they were that bad how they got worst since he got there. Answer: Being on the low end of a Big staff doesn't make you smart!

Given your post count, I think it's better than 50/50 you are a troll. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and reply as if you are not.

He doesn't have to explain how they got worse at S&C because we don't know that they got worse at all. You, however, ought to explain how it is you know that our players S&C is worse than it was when Parker took over.

 

[RU-05]

I don't get mad at just about anything ever. I'm argumentative, sometimes aggressively so. But I'm just having fun. :)

Just the same, the starting point was akin to a freed POW.

A year later the kids are back to being POW's.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Speed was a HUGE issue this past season, for virtually EVERY unit, no question.

 

[JQRU91]

There you go again.

First of all, members of the media, at some point fairly early on, reported that the players looked bigger and stronger. If they could tell, that seems like a noted and marked difference.

And again, if you are going to cite on field performance, you have to find some way to separate out S&C from all the other factors that impact that performance in order to conclude that S&C hadn't improved as seen on the field.

Were you quoting this guy? [roll]

 

[KT8813]

Given your post count, I think it's better than 50/50 you are a troll. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and reply as if you are not.

He doesn't have to explain how they got worse at S&C because we don't know that they got worse at all. You, however, ought to explain how it is you know that our players S&C is worse than it was when Parker took over.

Not a troll just had to start over I guess because I was away from the Board for about 8 mos, but that aside he certainly does have to explain how they got worst! He chose to open his mouth when he got here. It's called accountability. No safe space here!!

 

[mildone]

Were you quoting this guy? [roll]

Maybe a little. He wasn't the first to use that phrase, but he certainly did a lot to popularize it even more.

 

[KT8813]

So what was your old user name, hmmm?

KT71 happy? And stop humming it's immature!

 

[AreYouNUTS]

KT71 happy? And stop humming it's immature!

Say what? My lord. SMH

 

[RUaMoose]

Rutgers needs to recruit gym rats like Tony Mandarich. Guys that love to work out. Don't think we win that '88 game if Tony wasn't hurt.

 

[PaKnight]

Rutgers needs to recruit gym rats like Tony Mandarich. Guys that love to work out. Don't think we win that '88 game if Tony wasn't hurt.

Wasn't he suspended due to steroids?

 

[RUaMoose]

Wasn't he suspended due to steroids?

Not sure if he was suspended for it. It's well known he was a steroid user but given his size(6'6") and work ethic he was bound to be a great college OL. The steroids helped him be even better, obviously. My point is we need dedicated gym rats particularly the lines and LBs

 

[PaKnight]

Not sure if he was suspended for it. It's well known he was a steroid user but given his size(6'6") and work ethic he was bound to be a great college OL. The steroids helped him be even better, obviously. My point is we need dedicated gym rats particularly the lines and LBs

He was a giant idiot.

 

[JQRU91]

Maybe a little. He wasn't the first to use that phrase, but he certainly did a lot to popularize it even more.

I was just kidding.

 

[mildone]

I was just kidding.

I figured you were, but RR made it a pretty iconic phrase so I figured I'd respond seriously. It was a rare moment of seriousness for me. :)

 

[EastOT71]

One off-season should be plenty of time to see significant strength and conditioning improvement, especially if strength and conditioning were lacking before. Athletes beginning a strength-training program tend to see much larger gains in terms of pounds lifted than those who have been training for some time. If the team is getting pushed around, there is either a problem with the strength training program, or the athletes simply lack the potential for strength that their opponents possess. Or, as I suspect is true for Rutgers, some of both.