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An Article Explaining Why Our Offense Fails and Kills our Defense

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It's about Chip Kelly, but suits us:
Thanks to @miketd1 for pointing out this article:

https://theringer.com/chip-kelly-san-francisco-49ers-offense-f332f053870e#.c8vfjwmxu

Selected quotes below, but there are great diagrams and explanations and videos.

"Good coaching is about adapting. Kelly has failed to adjust."

"Kelly once said that the shotgun inside zone “is not a great play if the quarterback hands off to the running back and everyone in the stadium knows who has the ball.” He was right,"

Kelly’s 2015 opponents were unafraid of his QBs as run threats and could accurately guess his play calls; it’s no surprise they were also able to exploit errors in his team’s execution. “You cannot just fool defenses with tempo,” University of Kentucky offensive line coach John Schlarman said at a coaching clinic, summing up the experience of middling up-tempo spread offenses at every level of football. “There is a difference in a fast playing team playing crisp and a fast playing team playing sloppy.”

“Chip Kelly is a friend, but I could not run the offense he runs,” Stanford head coach David Shaw said this summer at a coaching clinic. “If you run an up-tempo offense, you better be good at staying on the field. If you cannot get first downs, your defense will play the entire game.” Indeed, the 2015 Eagles defense defended an incredible 1,148 plays, while the team that defended the fewest, the Seahawks, played just 947 snaps. At an NFL average of around 65 plays a game, Kelly’s defense effectively played three more games than Seattle’s.
 
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Its what got Kelly fired and I think why most people are scratching their heads at what they are seeing. Stubborness of the coaching staff? I get they are trying to install a system and show recruits what we want to do but when you are down 40-0 you may want to start slowing things down to give your D a rest. All we can hope is that they keep recruiting and hold onto this class. Thankfully these games are in the early part of the season and maybe we can still get a few wins or competitive games so the recruits have time to forget about these last 2 weeks.

No reason we can't beat Illinois. We are capable of scoring points against a team like them.
 
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I am never impressed with the "coaching" of those at Bama, OSU, Mich and USC. Those coaches have a monopoly of money and legacy to get the best players. The are great CEOs. Not great coaches IMO

I truly appreciate the Parcells, Pat Riley's, Snyders (KSU) and Dantonios of the world.

Coach what you what got. Not force what you got into a system (and loss).
 
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That article sums up the weaknesses of this offense. Tempo can't compensate for predictability. How many different plays did RU run? 3? 4? The only play that actually worked was the bomb Laviano threw in the first quarter that would have been a TD were it not for the obvious pass interference that wasn't called.

The other big issue is that no offense works without blocking. The RU OL is overmatched in almost every game. Michigan had 3 guys in the backfield by the time the snap was in the air. Until RU can match up with the better defensive lines in this league, we're going to see this over and over again.
 
I am never impressed with the "coaching" of those at Bama, OSU, Mich and USC. Those coaches have a monopoly of money and legacy to get the best players. The are great CEOs. Not great coaches IMO

I truly appreciate the Parcells, Pat Riley's, Snyders (KSU) and Dantonios of the world.

Coach what you what got. Not force what you got into a system (and loss).
All of those programs were getting mediocre results in the years before they hired Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh, and Carroll, respectively. Talent was never the problem in those programs. Coaching was.
 
That article sums up the weaknesses of this offense. Tempo can't compensate for predictability. How many different plays did RU run? 3? 4? The only play that actually worked was the bomb Laviano threw in the first quarter that would have been a TD were it not for the obvious pass interference that wasn't called.

The other big issue is that no offense works without blocking. The RU OL is overmatched in almost every game. Michigan had 3 guys in the backfield by the time the snap was in the air. Until RU can match up with the better defensive lines in this league, we're going to see this over and over again.

That's why I have not piled on Laviano (or any other QB) after last week and this week.
And despite all the hate on this board, Laviano can throw a decent deep ball and hit receivers in stride sometimes. He did it a lot last year. Sorry, but Allen looked the same our worse out there. Don't know why Gio or Rettig (not kidding) did not at least get one or two series. Thought it was smart to not play Oden, as he could have been hurt.

It's too early to draw any conclusions on this coaching staff. However, if this shit show of an offensive scheme is continued to be run, it may be the case that we have a coaching staff that is more stubborn than Schiano. Ultimately Schiano succeeded on some level, but it took a lot of pain to get there.
 
It's about Chip Kelly, but suits us:
Thanks to @miketd1 for pointing out this article:

https://theringer.com/chip-kelly-san-francisco-49ers-offense-f332f053870e#.c8vfjwmxu

Selected quotes below, but there are great diagrams and explanations and videos.

"Good coaching is about adapting. Kelly has failed to adjust."

"Kelly once said that the shotgun inside zone “is not a great play if the quarterback hands off to the running back and everyone in the stadium knows who has the ball.” He was right,"

Kelly’s 2015 opponents were unafraid of his QBs as run threats and could accurately guess his play calls; it’s no surprise they were also able to exploit errors in his team’s execution. “You cannot just fool defenses with tempo,” University of Kentucky offensive line coach John Schlarman said at a coaching clinic, summing up the experience of middling up-tempo spread offenses at every level of football. “There is a difference in a fast playing team playing crisp and a fast playing team playing sloppy.”

“Chip Kelly is a friend, but I could not run the offense he runs,” Stanford head coach David Shaw said this summer at a coaching clinic. “If you run an up-tempo offense, you better be good at staying on the field. If you cannot get first downs, your defense will play the entire game.” Indeed, the 2015 Eagles defense defended an incredible 1,148 plays, while the team that defended the fewest, the Seahawks, played just 947 snaps. At an NFL average of around 65 plays a game, Kelly’s defense effectively played three more games than Seattle’s.

This is what concerns me about the softer part of our schedule. Once we get there, we may be too banged up and worn out to take advantage of it.
 
If our fans can diagnose our offensive plays imagine what opponents see? Its why i wanted to see more throws down field. We keep running four wr's at the same levels.
 
All of those programs were getting mediocre results in the years before they hired Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh, and Carroll, respectively. Talent was never the problem in those programs. Coaching was.
That is not necessarily true.

We'd need to break down the recruiting ranking and how many went pro. I still believe (granted w/o evidence I stated above), they are better CEOs than coaches.
 
We hired an OC with no Division One OC experience.

Then you get the But Herman hired him crowd...

As a WR coach.
 
We knew we were going to take our lumps and if there was any jack wad that would want to hang 100 on us it is that coach don't even want to give him the benefit of naming him
 
Those coaches were performing at other places without the legacy and huge names save Carroll. Saban at MSU, Meyer at Utah, Harbaugh SDSU, Stanford, resurrecting SF with who many thought was a number 1 overall bust at the time. My judgment always is if you change the faces of the players either through natural graduation or by being a nomadic coach but the results are still there then I'm more inclined to believe the coach is the constant not any particular player or set of players. Being at a OSU or Michigan just amplifies what is likely already strong coaching acumen.

As to the original post, I agree but I think it's kind of highlighting at least on the offensive side of the ball we're not showing much ability to adapt to whatever we have for whatever reason. Maybe slow up the tempo a little or maybe a few screens since our OL is so pourous, etc.. Now does that mean we'd win, not likely, it would just improve a 78-0 drubbing maybe to a 49-10 drubbing.

I also agree that I think not having a qb who is a run threat and can throw the ball not great but just decently is a huge detriment. No improvisation from the qb position and probably limits the playcalling to an extent. Obviously not going to land a JT Barrett type but a Greg Ward or PJ Walker type come to mind. I think we'd actually need a couple because of possible attrition in running this type of offense.

I've said from the start I'm even keel and kept my feet on the ground. I'm not up through the moon with any prounoucements or slogans nor down through the floor with these utter defeats. So it looks like some of our coaches may not be the best at adapting. You can say that about a lot of a coaches, but we still don't know how they will do when the recruit guys more to their system. So I'm the same as I was in the beginning feet on the ground even keel and we'll see how we do as the schedule lightens up some.
 
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We hired an OC with no Division One OC experience.

Then you get the But Herman hired him crowd...

As a WR coach.
I was a little skeptical with the lack of experience but it's not the D1 experience it was the overall OC experience, just 1 year at James Madison. The other thing was that I'd have felt more comfortable with an OC like that if we had a offensive minded coach like you've seen with some other young pup OCs out there Lashlee, Spavital.

That being said, I'm still open to see what he can do when he gets guys more to his liking in the system. It looks like he has trouble adapting, can he do something when he gets his players? That we don't know and we'll have to see.
 
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