'are chest'? Yes, they played in a BCS bowl with a 8 win record and got hosed. We won 10 games and ranked #15 nationally and barely got a bowl game. The team fell flat against Cincy and went 3 OTs against WVU to lose to them on Nat TV. No comparison 'tween programs.
Another UConn to Big 12 article, with a RU slight thrown in
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Conference re-alignment has never been about who has the best football team. You just have to play credible ball to be considered.
If Mitch Vingle (Who has good sources among WVUers's, not sure if anyone else answers his phone calls) wanted to talk about poorly managed look no further than that other pillar of New England College Athletics.
Boston Globe
BC’s big revenue sports hit bottom, stirring scrutiny
The sorry state of the school’s showcase sports has depleted morale, sapped attendance, diminished BC’s national athletic stature, and prompted calls for action.
This sounds familiar
Boston Globe
BC’s plan will harm smaller sports, supporters say
Meanwhile for some of our Pitt friends that keep telling us the AAC Network will make it all better.
Pitt Post Gazette
Still no resolution on ACC television network
They still don't realize they have hitched their future to a cornpone windbag.
Pitt Post Gazette
Still no resolution on ACC television network
They still don't realize they have hitched their future to a cornpone windbag.
WVU still wants a school that is closer to them for expansion, so they are throwing out all kinds of crazy names, many of which would terrible choices for expansion like Uconn for example.
If the Big 12 expands it will be with brand names that will help them get to the playoffs easier. BYU is a clear choice, but I am not sure about the other one. Maybe Cincy or even Houston. Perhaps Memphis as a wild card.
The Florida schools don't move the needle and UConn football is a joke and should move back down to FCS. Expansion is ALWAYS about FOOTBALL unless you are the ACC.
If the Big 12 expands it will be with brand names that will help them get to the playoffs easier. BYU is a clear choice, but I am not sure about the other one. Maybe Cincy or even Houston. Perhaps Memphis as a wild card.
The Florida schools don't move the needle and UConn football is a joke and should move back down to FCS. Expansion is ALWAYS about FOOTBALL unless you are the ACC.
#1) B12 want to lower travel cost
#2) B12 want to maximize $$$/school with Texas gets the most$☺
#3) B12 want maximize TV share
#4) and broaden recruiting base
This is how they will approach an addition
The choices
Cincy,
Houston,
BYU,
UCF,
USF
UConn and possibly Memphis or SMU
Everyone BUT UConn satisfy #1
Cincy, UCF/USF and maybe Memphis meet 2-4 As Houston BYU and SMU are already in the B12 footprint
UConn yes expands footprint but not enough to offset travel $. So #1 #2 and #4 are loses for UConn.
Cincy is a travel mate for WVU and open Ohio/W.PA to recruit, UCF/USF expand #2-#4.
BC is a case study in what is wrong with Conference fringe expansions.
Houston, BYU and SMU are possible But already in the B12 footprint Big money will have to be thrown at someone for one of these school to get in
UCF/USF one should be a shoe in New market great recruiting and less travel then issues WVU
Cincy like UCF/USF give a pop for recruiting but not as much as the FLA. schools But becomes the WVU link Ohio and western PA is still very good recruiting and good for TV eyeballs
Logically Uconn is not going to make even the semifinals on this cut
#2) B12 want to maximize $$$/school with Texas gets the most$☺
#3) B12 want maximize TV share
#4) and broaden recruiting base
This is how they will approach an addition
The choices
Cincy,
Houston,
BYU,
UCF,
USF
UConn and possibly Memphis or SMU
Everyone BUT UConn satisfy #1
Cincy, UCF/USF and maybe Memphis meet 2-4 As Houston BYU and SMU are already in the B12 footprint
UConn yes expands footprint but not enough to offset travel $. So #1 #2 and #4 are loses for UConn.
Cincy is a travel mate for WVU and open Ohio/W.PA to recruit, UCF/USF expand #2-#4.
BC is a case study in what is wrong with Conference fringe expansions.
Houston, BYU and SMU are possible But already in the B12 footprint Big money will have to be thrown at someone for one of these school to get in
UCF/USF one should be a shoe in New market great recruiting and less travel then issues WVU
Cincy like UCF/USF give a pop for recruiting but not as much as the FLA. schools But becomes the WVU link Ohio and western PA is still very good recruiting and good for TV eyeballs
Logically Uconn is not going to make even the semifinals on this cut
I think UConn makes more sense than Houston, but UConn doesn't make much sense. The Big 12 already has Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, and Baylor. Adding a 5th team in Texas doesn't make sense, especially if a primary reason for expansion is a Conference TV Network. Cincinnati (7th most populous state), UCF/USF (3rd), BYU (31st, but attracts Mormons), and Memphis (17th) all make more sense than Connecticut (29th) and a 5th Texas team.
I must have missed this discussion. How is Provo, UT, roughly 1000 miles away from the closest Big 12 school, in the Big 12 footprint?
Meanwhile for some of our Pitt friends that keep telling us the AAC Network will make it all better.
Pitt Post Gazette
Still no resolution on ACC television network
They still don't realize they have hitched their future to a cornpone windbag.
Waiting for July for more definitive information on topic.
I'll be back to discuss.
Post Gazette doesn't know any more than the general public. Kinda like the West Virginia dude article on UConn to the Big 12.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
LOL @ Tulane, SDSU, Fresno, USF, and ECU!!! The only schools with ANY shot at P5 on your list are UCF and Cinci.
Houston doesn't make sense as big 12 is already on Texas; no expansion of territory. uconn doesn't make sense as there is no market or prime recruiting (see BC). To me, Cincy and UCF make most sense due to their locations.
USF might be a dark horse if they build a stadium on campus. But need to show they can fill it and have the type of boosters that will keep the Bull's football team supported financially.
But between UCF and SF, I think UCF has a better shot for a P-5 Conference invite.
Memphis might just be a Big 12 candidate if they get enough financial support to upgrade their football program and the Vitamin Conference decides that southeastern expansion is in their best interest.
Cincy is a good choice and I'd say they would have a slight edge on Memphis even if the Memphis football program gained the type of financial support it needs to improve it's football program.
...I keep seeing UConn mentioned as a B12 'traveling partner' for WVU. Now, I wasn't a geography major, but Storrs ain't exactly around the corner from Morgantown. They're over 500 miles apart (still a 7-9 hour drive), and UConn would basically be on the dark side of the moon compared everyone else in the league. In comparison, Rutgers is closer to 3 B1G opponents (Maryland, PSU, OSU) than UConn is to WVU.
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Sorry BYU is outside the footprint but at ~1200 miles from Austin it is closer the Ucan't dogs at ~1900Miles
The state of Connecticut screwed up big time putting that stadium 30 minutes from campus. And it only seats 40k. As far as I know there are no plans to expand it. Had the state of Connecticut done the correct thing we might be the ones wanting a seat a the big boys table.
no... that is the least of their problems.
They don't have the market share we do.
Their football team was a FCS team until the 2000's, it has NEVER been popular, no one cares, even when they went to a BCS bowl, NO ONE CARED!!! Terrible tickets sells and low TV ratings.
Very few recruits come from their state or even all of New England.
If UConn in B12/ACC/<insert conference name here> was a slam dumk, they'd be there. There's nothing stopping the B12 from expanding to 12 (even Texas is only 1 vote out of 10). Their football isn't great and they don't add viewership like Syracuse/Pitt/Rutgers/Louisville/WVU did.
The ACC would have overridden BCs objections to UConn if the numbers made sense in 2011, and it would have been Syracuse and UConn instead of Pitt and Syracuse. UConn actually is a fit in the ACC from an athletic and academic perspective (moreso than Louisville).
They would stand out like a sore thumb in the Big 12. Adding Cincinnati and Memphis would solve the geographic problems. Adding Cincinnati and UCF or USF helps out WVU. Adding UConn only makes sense if another true northeast school is added, and the only choices are Temple and UMass. Try selling that to Bevo.
The ACC would have overridden BCs objections to UConn if the numbers made sense in 2011, and it would have been Syracuse and UConn instead of Pitt and Syracuse. UConn actually is a fit in the ACC from an athletic and academic perspective (moreso than Louisville).
They would stand out like a sore thumb in the Big 12. Adding Cincinnati and Memphis would solve the geographic problems. Adding Cincinnati and UCF or USF helps out WVU. Adding UConn only makes sense if another true northeast school is added, and the only choices are Temple and UMass. Try selling that to Bevo.
I don't think that would actually help their attendance much. We have to remember that stadium began as an attempt to lure the Jets when they were looking to leave Shea and build in Manhattan.
No they ain't in NYC or East Hartford...
It's Jersey.
Texas and OU fans must be dizzy with anticipation at the thought of getting to travel to Hartford and playing at an airport. I bet they never thought they would get the chance. Such an exciting locale to visit and now you get to share revenue with them too. I am sure they cannot wait.
Here's the thing: it's either gonna be USF (glorified CC in Northern Tampa) or UCF (glorified CC in Orlando). Pretty simple choice, if you're going to Florida, IMHO.
I'm not sure how meaningful that is. Those are the same arguments that have been made against Rutgers.
Rutgers essentially moved from FCS to FBS in 1980, 20 years earlier than UConn. (1979 was the last year that Rutgers' schedule was more than 50% what would have then been considered FCS schools. In 1978, the only "FBS" schools Rutgers played were Penn St, Temple, and Arizona State in the Garden State Bowl. And Temple barely counted as an "FBS" school as 6 of their games were against what would have been FCS schools.)
And Rutgers' move to FBS was clumsy and poorly executed. In the mid-1990's our stadium was mostly empty. At that time, it was easy to say that no one cared about Rutgers football and the program was never popular.
But Rutgers eventually built the program, and built a strong enough following that the Big Ten could count on the popularity of Rutgers football to monetize the inclusion of Rutgers in the Big Ten conference.
One could argue that UConn has been somewhat more adroit in making the move from FCS to FBS. Plus they have the popularity of their basketball programs to shore up support for their football program.
The big difference between Rutgers and UConn is geography. The population of New Jersey is about 2.5 times that of Connecticut. That translates into many more fans, all other things being equal. Plus NJ produces many more college football players than Connecticut (much more than can just be attributed to the differences in population). That gives Rutgers football a much better chance for success.
Even when Rutgers football was losing and unpopular, the potential was quite obvious. People referred to Rutgers football as a sleeping giant. No one has ever referred to UConn football as a sleeping giant.
this MHvers guy on twitter is a WVU fan who thinks he knows expansion and tries to copy" the dude from West Virginia" poster ,who actualy has some inside contacts to WVU and B12. However whomever wrote this faghazzy article never read this from May 16th,2016 USA Today on B10 revenue..
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-pay-salary-compensation-television/84553752/http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-pay-salary-compensation-television/84553752/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-pay-salary-compensation-television/84553752/http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-pay-salary-compensation-television/84553752/
from same article (above) which the non informed hillbilly from WVU forgot in his attempted expansion research..
"With the addition of Maryland and Rutgers in July 2014, the Big Ten Conference began seriously flexing its financial strength, the conference’s new federal tax return shows."
"The additions of Maryland and Rutgers resulted in increased TV revenue for the Big Ten from deals that were renegotiated with the conference's TV partners, Traviolia said. Like other Power Five conferences, the Big Ten also got a revenue boost from the inaugural College Football Playoff."
"With the addition of Maryland and Rutgers in July 2014, the Big Ten Conference began seriously flexing its financial strength, the conference’s new federal tax return shows."
"The additions of Maryland and Rutgers resulted in increased TV revenue for the Big Ten from deals that were renegotiated with the conference's TV partners, Traviolia said. Like other Power Five conferences, the Big Ten also got a revenue boost from the inaugural College Football Playoff."
To save on travel the B12 can contract WVU and add someone closer to their footprint. The couches will then start burning again along the hillbilly highway.
I wouldn't call UCF a glorified CC. It has 61,000 students with a very large on campus population. Academically, average numbers for incoming freshman are just slightly less than RU.
- 82% of its 61,000 students live OFF campus (and most of those are Gator fans, with some being Seminole or Hurricane fans, fyi)
- let me know when UCF cracks the top 300 or so on the "World University Rankings" list.
Off campus is around the edge of campus. While the complexes are privately owned they are associated with college. Also 18% of 61000 is roughly 11000 on campus.
"off campus" is as such everywhere. Did you go down there for the bowl game? Nothing about that city is "UCF" - once you're off campus - as it's essentially a glorified CC as I mentioned above. 11,000 on campus means 50,000 not living on campus. That is a HUGE # and, due to the ridiculous growth of the university the last decade, do you honestly believe it could be any more than as such (for now)? They're putting the effort out there, don't get me wrong, and as I said before there's no doubt in my mind they get the "nod" over USF.
While it is difficult for me to feel bad for UConn, the ACC screwed them more than any other school in the Big East.
1 - I don't recall the specifics, but didn't the president of Miami promise UConn that it wasn't going anywhere when UConn was agreeing to invest the $ to move to FBS - only to bail before UConn played its first game in the conference?
2 - When ACC invites Pitt and Syracuse, it is revealed that BC vetoed any consideration of UConn as a member.
3 - UConn gets unlucky when the Big 12 decides to add WVU instead of Louisville. I personally think that if Louisville was not an option when Maryland left the ACC, then UConn would have had as good a shot as WVU at being Maryland's replacement.
Now they are stuck and I don't see any way out for them absent the ACC being raided by the B1G and SEC and the ACC needing to back fill.
1 - I don't recall the specifics, but didn't the president of Miami promise UConn that it wasn't going anywhere when UConn was agreeing to invest the $ to move to FBS - only to bail before UConn played its first game in the conference?
2 - When ACC invites Pitt and Syracuse, it is revealed that BC vetoed any consideration of UConn as a member.
3 - UConn gets unlucky when the Big 12 decides to add WVU instead of Louisville. I personally think that if Louisville was not an option when Maryland left the ACC, then UConn would have had as good a shot as WVU at being Maryland's replacement.
Now they are stuck and I don't see any way out for them absent the ACC being raided by the B1G and SEC and the ACC needing to back fill.
UConn's only hope is if the ACC expands again. Short of that, I see them eventually moving to the Big East so they can get their WBB and MBB playing real conference teams again. Not sure what would happen to FB in that scenario - maybe drop it altogether.
UCF is the biggest safety school in that state. Most of their students are students that couldn't get into the big three.
Putting feelings about UConn aside, I thought that Cincy, UConn and USF got the short end of the stick going from a BCS Conference to their current home, with a significantly reduced TV contract and having to play a schedule of inferior competition compared to the old Big East.
That being said, I wish them nothing but the worst and hope their athletics programs stays in purgatory for the rest of their days as a University. It's the one school I would never root for in any athletic contest, no matter the opponent. A large component of their fan-base takes a**hole to a whole new level. In order to prop up their own self worth a majority of their message board fans have to tear everyone else down as if they believe their warts are better than everyone else's warts. They try to play the victim and then lash out at everyone. Have to be one of the most hated fan-bases on the internet. I will occasionally read their posts on the Boneyard (less and less as we left the Big East) and noticed a pattern of every thread referencing Rutgers in some derogatory way.
Attended the 2009 game in their suped-up high school stadium. While there were no physical altercations and felt it was a safe environment, I would not go back. The looks and stares we received indicated a disenchanted fan-base that borders on being angry.
The few UConn fans I know pretty much keep to themselves and we rarely partake in discussions about conference realignment, college football or anything related to their school except when they're winning basketball tournament games. That's fine by me because I would have nothing good to say, so best left unsaid.
That being said, I wish them nothing but the worst and hope their athletics programs stays in purgatory for the rest of their days as a University. It's the one school I would never root for in any athletic contest, no matter the opponent. A large component of their fan-base takes a**hole to a whole new level. In order to prop up their own self worth a majority of their message board fans have to tear everyone else down as if they believe their warts are better than everyone else's warts. They try to play the victim and then lash out at everyone. Have to be one of the most hated fan-bases on the internet. I will occasionally read their posts on the Boneyard (less and less as we left the Big East) and noticed a pattern of every thread referencing Rutgers in some derogatory way.
Attended the 2009 game in their suped-up high school stadium. While there were no physical altercations and felt it was a safe environment, I would not go back. The looks and stares we received indicated a disenchanted fan-base that borders on being angry.
The few UConn fans I know pretty much keep to themselves and we rarely partake in discussions about conference realignment, college football or anything related to their school except when they're winning basketball tournament games. That's fine by me because I would have nothing good to say, so best left unsaid.
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