Another UConn to Big 12 article, with a RU slight thrown in

[LC-88]

Houston doesn't make sense as big 12 is already on Texas; no expansion of territory. uconn doesn't make sense as there is no market or prime recruiting (see BC). To me, Cincy and UCF make most sense due to their locations.

Agree. Houston makes no sense assuming Texas will be in the Big XII for a long time. IMHO, this is a bad assumption. Texas will be B1G or PAC within 7 years.

UConn will be in the ACC, when the ACC loses one or more teams to the B1G and SEC. At that point you may as well rename the conference Old Big East and Private Southern Schools Conference. ACC in name only. Or they should get with what's left of ACC, BIG XII, and best of AAC, and form a new conference called the Almost Power 4 Conference. They can cut a TV deal with AMC and put games on before and after Walking Dead.

 

[rubaseball78]

Houston makes no sense assuming Texas will be in the Big XII for a long time. IMHO, this is a bad assumption. Texas will be B1G or PAC within 7 years.

UConn will be in the ACC, when the ACC loses one or more teams to the B1G and SEC. At that point you may as well rename the conference Old Big East and Private Southern Schools Conference. ACC in name only. Or they should get with what's left of ACC, BIG XII, and best of AAC, and form a new conference called the Almost Power 4 Conference. They can cut a TV deal with AMC and put games on before and after Walking Dead.

If you are taking Houston as protection to losing Texas, that doesn't say much about the conference as a whole.

 

[rubaseball78]

Houston makes no sense assuming Texas will be in the Big XII for a long time. IMHO, this is a bad assumption. Texas will be B1G or PAC within 7 years.

UConn will be in the ACC, when the ACC loses one or more teams to the B1G and SEC. At that point you may as well rename the conference Old Big East and Private Southern Schools Conference. ACC in name only. Or they should get with what's left of ACC, BIG XII, and best of AAC, and form a new conference called the Almost Power 4 Conference. They can cut a TV deal with AMC and put games on before and after Walking Dead.

Also, this wasn't an assumption, it was an opinion.

 

[herdof3]

No expansion solves the fundamental problem of the Big 12 which is only 2 teams really count. Texas and OU. Anyone they add will not solve that. If and when UT and OU decide to move on the remaining 8 will cobble together some of the better G5 schools to form a new big 12. There will be a P4 and G5 and the Big 12 somewhere in between. No other schools add enough $ to make sense. But if they do it anyway it would not diminish the likelihood of the Big 2 leaving. OU and UT to the B16 West Division????

 

[NJBorn]

UConn is awful and will never play as a BIG member, crappy school that adds nothing.

 

[RU31trap]

I've always felt that UCONN deserved to be in a major conference. Both men's and women's BB would thrive and their football program will improve.

 

[topdecktiger]

Putting feelings about UConn aside, I thought that Cincy, UConn and USF got the short end of the stick going from a BCS Conference to their current home, with a significantly reduced TV contract and having to play a schedule of inferior competition compared to the old Big East.

That being said, I wish them nothing but the worst and hope their athletics programs stays in purgatory for the rest of their days as a University. It's the one school I would never root for in any athletic contest, no matter the opponent. A large component of their fan-base takes a**hole to a whole new level. In order to prop up their own self worth a majority of their message board fans have to tear everyone else down as if they believe their warts are better than everyone else's warts. They try to play the victim and then lash out at everyone. Have to be one of the most hated fan-bases on the internet. I will occasionally read their posts on the Boneyard (less and less as we left the Big East) and noticed a pattern of every thread referencing Rutgers in some derogatory way.

Attended the 2009 game in their suped-up high school stadium. While there were no physical altercations and felt it was a safe environment, I would not go back. The looks and stares we received indicated a disenchanted fan-base that borders on being angry.

The few UConn fans I know pretty much keep to themselves and we rarely partake in discussions about conference realignment, college football or anything related to their school except when they're winning basketball tournament games. That's fine by me because I would have nothing good to say, so best left unsaid.

They didn't get the short end of the stick. They were only in a BCS conference for a handful of years, and that's only because they were replacements for teams that left.

 

[Virginiarufan]

When Uconn can bring 25+/- million dollars to a conference table, they'll be added. Until then no conference is going to reduce the amount of cash distributed to its existing members just so it can throw a lifeline to a school that has no recruiting area, brings little tv money and plays in a half filled small stadium 30 miles from campus. For all of these reasons and more, Uconn can't generate the cash needed to become an attractive expansion candidate. It's a losing proposition when you factor extra travel just to play a football program that's done nothing but fall flat on its face since moving to Division 1. Their football will be in FCS within 5 to 7 years where they belong.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

What Uconn should do is drop their football program back to FCS where it belongs and just play their follow New England FCS schools. Then join the Big East for all other sports. The Big East has a nice deal with NBC that is worth more money than any other non-foot conference.

 

[BoogieKnight]

I don't really think there will be "conference expansion" so to speak as the 4 super conferences begin to form. Rather, I think there will be "conference realignment" which will exclude certain schools that may surprise some people. Just my opinion but I can see schools like Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas Tech and yes, even Kansas and Boston College, dropping down to the Group of 5 level. And there's no way in hell that Connecticut gets included in one of the big 4. I'm of the opinion that UCONN football at the FBS level will be a thing of the past within the next 5 years and BC may join them.

 

[mdh2003]

Putting feelings about UConn aside, I thought that Cincy, UConn and USF got the short end of the stick going from a BCS Conference to their current home, with a significantly reduced TV contract and having to play a schedule of inferior competition compared to the old Big East.

That being said, I wish them nothing but the worst and hope their athletics programs stays in purgatory for the rest of their days as a University. It's the one school I would never root for in any athletic contest, no matter the opponent. A large component of their fan-base takes a**hole to a whole new level. In order to prop up their own self worth a majority of their message board fans have to tear everyone else down as if they believe their warts are better than everyone else's warts. They try to play the victim and then lash out at everyone. Have to be one of the most hated fan-bases on the internet. I will occasionally read their posts on the Boneyard (less and less as we left the Big East) and noticed a pattern of every thread referencing Rutgers in some derogatory way.

Attended the 2009 game in their suped-up high school stadium. While there were no physical altercations and felt it was a safe environment, I would not go back. The looks and stares we received indicated a disenchanted fan-base that borders on being angry.

The few UConn fans I know pretty much keep to themselves and we rarely partake in discussions about conference realignment, college football or anything related to their school except when they're winning basketball tournament games. That's fine by me because I would have nothing good to say, so best left unsaid.

ucrap conf rumors keep turning up like a bad penny. Can't wait until we've heard the last of both these useless items. Their fans and boards are pure cesspools. Their mod, PudgeF(acker) has got to be the stupidest person on the internet.

Psst...earth to pudgie: WE passed you by...(that always gets his goat).

 

[MADHAT1]

They didn't get the short end of the stick. They were only in a BCS conference for a handful of years, and that's only because they were replacements for teams that left.

In 1997 UConn decided to move up to D-1A football status and started that process in 2000.
The Husky FB program was scheduled to join the BE’s football side in 2005, but the ACC’s taking Miami and VT caused them to become part of the BE’s football side a year early .
Basically they weren’t a replacement but just came in earlier to fill one the conference spots that was open after 2 schools left the conference.
The replacement schools UCF , Louisville & Cincy showed up the next season (2005) while BC left for the ACC and Temple lost it’s membership

 

[RU#1fan]

What Uconn should do is drop their football program back to FCS where it belongs and just play their follow New England FCS schools. Then join the Big East for all other sports. The Big East has a nice deal with NBC that is worth more money than any other non-foot conference.

Ummmmmm. The state of Connecticut built a 40,000 seat stadium so UCONN can play Rhode Island and Maine ?
Don't think so.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Ummmmmm. The state of Connecticut built a 40,000 seat stadium so UCONN can play Rhode Island and Maine ?
Don't think so.

It was clearly a mistake, and that is too small for Power 5 anyway.

 

[jason21psu]

I don't really think there will be "conference expansion" so to speak as the 4 super conferences begin to form. Rather, I think there will be "conference realignment" which will exclude certain schools that may surprise some people. Just my opinion but I can see schools like Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas Tech and yes, even Kansas and Boston College, dropping down to the Group of 5 level. And there's no way in hell that Connecticut gets included in one of the big 4. I'm of the opinion that UCONN football at the FBS level will be a thing of the past within the next 5 years and BC may join them.

I drive a lot and listen to Sirius College Sports Nation everyday. One show, I think Mark Packer's, postulated that there's going to be an ever growing gap between the have and have nots driven by the autonomy of the P5. That this isn't the NFL and you can't legislate parity. So why should a school like Iowa State try to play by the same rules as Alabama. Basically setting up consolidation rather than realignment and another division of football with only 40-50 schools of schools that are all in. The other angle was some schools are just taking these insane monies from these tv contracts depositing them in the bank and not even trying to compete, I think Vandy was the example there. If that happens, my questions are 1. Do you think RU is in or out of that group?; 2. Do you want RU in that group?

 

[RURM85]

I drive a lot and listen to Sirius College Sports Nation everyday. One show, I think Mark Packer's, postulated that there's going to be an ever growing gap between the have and have nots driven by the autonomy of the P5. That this isn't the NFL and you can't legislate parity. So why should a school like Iowa State try to play by the same rules as Alabama. Basically setting up consolidation rather than realignment and another division of football with only 40-50 schools of schools that are all in. The other angle was some schools are just taking these insane monies from these tv contracts depositing them in the bank and not even trying to compete, I think Vandy was the example there. If that happens, my questions are 1. Do you think RU is in or out of that group?; 2. Do you want RU in that group?

I believe any consolidation in the P5 will be a result of Conference explosion as opposed to schools making a decision to drop out. For example, if the Big 12 implodes, there will be schools that are unable to find a P4 home (i.e current UConn situation). Stewart Mandel's pipe-dream of how the college football landscape will look like in 2026 with 25 schools in a major division is a fairy-tale. The match-ups would be fun for a few years until losers are established, as well as, many college football fans would be turned off because their respective schools are not represented.

I do believe Rutgers survives regardless because of marketplace. In time, Rutgers will receive a full cut of the B1G TV revenue which will help narrow the gap somewhat in relation to facilities and rising expenses.

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

Houston would be great for The B1G, ACC, PAC but a bad ideal for The B12.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Houston would be great for The B1G, ACC, PAC but a bad ideal for The B12.

Big Texas booster talked to the press and said that it should be Houston and some other school. Take that for what it is worth.

 

[ecojew]

Big Texas booster talked to the press and said that it should be Houston and some other school. Take that for what it is worth.

I see no way that the B1G would even consider Houston or Oklahoma. Both are far from AAU status and do not fit the contiguous state criteria as well. The only university that the B1G would consider that is not a member of the AAU is ND.

Nebraska was an AAU member in 2009 but then lost its status a year after admission due to insufficient research funding. I've always wondered if Nebraska would have been admitted in 2009 had it already lost its AAU status, or RU would have come in at that point instead.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I see no way that the B1G would even consider Houston or Oklahoma. Both are far from AAU status and do not fit the contiguous state criteria as well. The only university that the B1G would consider that is not a member of the AAU is ND.

Nebraska was an AAU member in 2009 but then lost its status a year after admission due to insufficient research funding. I've always wondered if Nebraska would have been admitted in 2009 had it already lost its AAU status, or RU would have come in at that point instead.

What? Who said anything about the Big Ten? Texas is in the Big12.

 

[topdecktiger]

In 1997 UConn decided to move up to D-1A football status and started that process in 2000.
The Husky FB program was scheduled to join the BE’s football side in 2005, but the ACC’s taking Miami and VT caused them to become part of the BE’s football side a year early .
Basically they weren’t a replacement but just came in earlier to fill one the conference spots that was open after 2 schools left the conference.
The replacement schools UCF , Louisville & Cincy showed up the next season (2005) while BC left for the ACC and Temple lost it’s membership

I was referring to all of them. You proved my point for me. UConn was only in a BCS conference for a handful of years. All those schools were just replacements that got called up from lower conferences. They didn't get the short end of the stick. They were fortunate for the few years they got in a major conference.

UCF was never in the Big East.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

USF also never played in FBS until 2001 and they only started a football program in FCS a few years before that. But the Big East wanted them for MBB so...

 

[Upstream]

It was clearly a mistake, and that is too small for Power 5 anyway.

I agree that it was mistake for the state to build a stadium for UConn so far from campus. But I don't know that the stadium is too small for a Power 5 team.

There are 3 P5 stadiums smaller than UConn's (Wake Forest, Duke, Washington St) and 6 more that are less than 6000 seats larger (Boston College, TCU, Baylor, Oregon St, Utah, Vanderbilt).

 

[megadrone]

I agree that it was mistake for the state to build a stadium for UConn so far from campus. But I don't know that the stadium is too small for a Power 5 team.

There are 3 P5 stadiums smaller than UConn's (Wake Forest, Duke, Washington St) and 6 more that are less than 6000 seats larger (Boston College, TCU, Baylor, Oregon St, Utah, Vanderbilt).

The Patriots were supposed to go there too, but used Connecticut to get leverage for the new stadium in Foxboro. So UConn is far from campus but in the middle of the state. Not terrible, and has advantages if you're trying to get a following from everyone in CT.

 

[RU31trap]

UCONN won two BE Titles twice. They did this with 2 & 3 star recruits. Randy Edsall was very competitive. Listen, why not give them a shot. In my honest opinion they are just a deserving as we were, and some may say when you factor in their BB programs they are more deserving.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

UCONN won two BE Titles twice. They did this with 2 & 3 star recruits. Randy Edsall was very competitive. Listen, why not give them a shot. In my honest opinion they are just a deserving as we were, and some may say when you factor in their BB programs they are more deserving.

No...hell no...**** no...that worthless little school can disappear...they will never join our league so the whole argument is moot...we beat them at realignment...game over...next!!