Anti-RU Quint Kessenich calling Sunday’s game
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It doesn't necessarily mean just Ivies. I'm not sure they realized the Long Island schools would be so weak, and I don't see any near term improvement. Lose St. John's and LIU, keep Stony Brook and Hofstra and add an Ivy, ACC and/or Villanova. Lafayette is a bottom dweller. Upgrade to Lehigh. Keep Army. You don't want 3 months of unrelenting Top 20, but the schedule can be upgraded.
Exactly right. And most ND fans have blamed the coach for the schedule being so light as they consistently play a few less games mainly against poor competition. The main gripe was Harvard but the loss vs Ohio State was the big one that hurts the most. My daughter is a sophomore at ND so I follow them closely as well. Their omission is primarily self-inflicted.
Also, they made a significant lineup change putting Jake Taylor in at attack, i believe the first Syracuse game, and were a very different team from then on. Unfortunately, the first half of the season counts as well and they simply did not do enough to overcome that.
I would argue we don’t need to change anything. We’re a 6 seed and #5 RPI. Had we beaten Princeton Wed probably be a 2 or 3 seed. I would absolutely keep Hofstra, Stony Brook and LIU for LI recruiting purposes. We could drop SJU as they really bring nothing. No one on LI even consider them a LI school. Add Cornell for upstate NY recruiting and we’re good. Maybe swap Lafayette or Marist for Nova, or Lehigh. Cornell, Army, Loyola, Princeton, Hofstra, Stony Brook, Nova/Lehigh plus a full B1G schedule gives us plenty of opportunities for quality wins in most years.
No way... They were awful! So many stupid clichés thrown in.. Just from the top of my head here a examples of poor commentary, Russo is a good defender because his parents run a restaurant! They don't let you pump gas in NJ, followed by how Anish learned how to pump. Non-stop talk of our transfers.. at least a dozen or more mentions. The "I know a guy" comment because "we're in Jersey".
Again, it takes two to tango. Army will never leave our schedule. That’s a historic game.
As to some others, well let’s see if they want to dance.
Our RPI is 5. I’m not really seeing an issue at this point. I can tell you a lot of math and thought went into this.
I'd pass on that. Risk reward isn't there.
I'd focus on a couple small tweaks. I'd sub out Marist or LIU for a home and home with an Ivy, outside of Dartmouth.
We've played Brown in the past decade for a home and home. They have a fun style and that would be an entertaining game.
I'd let the Acc rot a little bit. They aren't the call they once were at the moment. That's the Ivy. Teams like Unc and Duke now have more to gain from us allowing them to play in our backyard. NJ lacrosse is a hot spot. Let them recruit without being seen.
I'd focus on a couple small tweaks. I'd sub out Marist or LIU for a home and home with an Ivy, outside of Dartmouth.
We've played Brown in the past decade for a home and home. They have a fun style and that would be an entertaining game.
I'd let the Acc rot a little bit. They aren't the call they once were at the moment. That's the Ivy. Teams like Unc and Duke now have more to gain from us allowing them to play in our backyard. NJ lacrosse is a hot spot. Let them recruit without being seen.
Brown would work. Definitely no sleepwalking Hopkins pace. And Notre Dame is out of the question as they would insist that "home and home" would mean both games in South Bend.
Another series with Brown or Cornell would be fun. So would Penn and Harvard, our 2 NCAA Tourney opponents. I never understood why Columbia never had a men's team but maybe given their history of being godawful at every sport known to man, maybe it makes sense that they don't.
FYI - Harvard has a recruiting class coming in that's easily Top 15 and maybe Top 10. And all but 2 of their goals yesterday were scored by freshmen. They will be a challenge, and even more so in 2024.
No doubt all of the "Jersey" cliches and stereotypes were annoying and frankly uncalled for. And the reference to Bobby Russo being a good defenseman because his parents own a restaurant was quite possibly the most inane thing I've ever heard a sports commentator say. (Girasole IS a great restaurant, btw).
But all that aside, Anish and especially Quint were extremely complimentary of the program and the atmosphere, which is what this thread is mainly about. There were no digs at Big Ten lacrosse or Rutgers, nor any laments about the ACC only getting one team. They focused on the game and the atmosphere, and it was all good.
But, yeah, they need to move on from the "Jersey" stuff at this point.
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I’d definitely keep LIU. Perfect OOC opponent imo. Short drive, we can invite any LI recruits to the game to watch us gut-stomp them. Plus the MAAC is a weak conference and I can see them becoming tops in that league, in which case it is a relatively easy win that could be a mild positive to our RPI if they win the MAAC and get the AQ.
I would drop Marist though. They do nothing for our RPI, kill our SOS and don’t really help at all with recruiting. Don’t need 2 MAAC teams on the schedule.
Drop Marist and Lafayette, add Villanova and an Ivy (Cornell, Penn or Brown) or even just swap Marist for an Ivy and we’re golden imo. BIG is a monster, we don’t need a killer OOC.
One thing I was surprised about is how small they were. Their attack is going to either have to get much quicker or bigger.
Small kids who aren't exceptionally fast don't do well at this level.
If you are small, you have to be quick like Ross Scott. And that kid, for his size, is extremely powerful. His legs are like tree trunks. If he stays around for his Covid year, he's going to be a legit Tewarraton threat. Hell, he might be that next year.
I'm not buying any recruiting rankings anymore. Shane Knobloch and Ross Scott didn't make IL's top 100 list. There is no possible way some dude sitting in Baltimore can accurately rank thousands of kids across the country.
Sure there are seemingly a handful of can't miss kids, that get way overhyped, but that's where it starts and stops. Big difference between 16-18 year old kids and 22/23 year old guys who have been developing. The NFL can't even do it properly and the spend tens of millions on it.
Then let's schedule a game against someone else down there. When I was in school we played Yale in Florida.
Not the greatest of trips lol.
That's where I was going.. Good team and a potential Feb/March trip to Florida for the players...
Agree completely. The funny thing is that the minute they mentioned that I thought to myself, "shit, I hate playing Princeton, Loyola and Army because of how good they are. Not our fault Hopkins Michigan and PSU underperformed."
Loyola had a bad year. No one would have predicted that coming into the season. They returned almost everyone from a quarterfinal run of their own last season.
They were top 10 to start the season.
I'll say it again. Syracuse dropped us and no Acc would schedule. And they all paid the price. Think Duke or ND wouldn't have loved to have a shot at us now?
I cant believe that so many of the people who say we should play this school or that school are completely ignoring the fact that many of those schools refuse to play us
I must admit to being pleasantly surprised by Anish and Quint. The Jersey clichés are old and tired, perhaps ACC fanboys find them funny but I will cut them some slack as they were trying to fill time during a beat down. Their overall tone towards RU was positive so I give them credit for that.
Quint admitting that we should have made previous tournaments when we didn't is re writing history a bit and I think he was hesitant to agree with Anish but based on the immediate game play he had to lest he appear a serious jack-ass.
Quint admitting that we should have made previous tournaments when we didn't is re writing history a bit and I think he was hesitant to agree with Anish but based on the immediate game play he had to lest he appear a serious jack-ass.
There was one year it was aggregious (2016?), but it hasn't only happened to Rutgers.
Yes and as egregious as it was Quint has previously claimed it was the correct decision due to our RPI, so some backtracking. It wouldn't shock me if he returns to that stance if we have a rough season or two.
When you only play 12 games, one can't be Detroit Mercy. So really you are playing 11. When half of your games are against a terrible Syracuse team twice and an average Duke team twice, you screwed yourself with your schedule.
Must suck being a ND player. Dark cold winters, ugly girls, and your team practices way more than you play.
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Keep
Hofstra - Stony Brook - Army - Princeton
Those 4 give you the local rivalries and good games vs solid to very good teams (depending on the year)
Keep:
Loyola
That is a good H/H to have as it’s gives you a game in Baltimore to go along with the Hopkins game every year or every other year...good for recruiting and SOS metrics.
Rotate:
Lehigh/Lafayette
PL games with close travel proximity
Add/Consider:
Not all at once but pick 1 or 2 every year as a combination of:
Nova, Delaware, Cornell, Yale, 1 ACC
I think you should start with one “easy tune up always”...but the build in some of the above
This year was close to perfect. I would have skipped Marist and added just 1 from my last grouping of Nova, Cornell, ACC, etc
But I’m splitting hairs at this point
We’re headed to the quarters to play the Ivy Champ. Good times
Correct. I’m pretty sure Charlie and BB have more games on the Loyola v RU docket. Loyola comes to RU next year. So I’ll be there 😉
The outrage for ND though is what's different. We were told to work on our RPI and win more games. ND should be told to shut up too.
We weren't there last year apparently but we are getting close to being able to name the teams we want to play. All these teams have a lot to gain now by playing us.
BB will be smart. And vindictive when called for. Those teams that refused to play us or dropped us (Uva/Syracuse), FU.
I'd like to see more Ivy's at this point. Helps them and the B1G build momentum to put the Acc in the pack, if it hasn't happened already.
Maryland beating Uva this weekend will go a long way to doing that. No Acc teams in the FF would be amazing.
BB will be smart. And vindictive when called for. Those teams that refused to play us or dropped us (Uva/Syracuse), FU.
I'd like to see more Ivy's at this point. Helps them and the B1G build momentum to put the Acc in the pack, if it hasn't happened already.
Maryland beating Uva this weekend will go a long way to doing that. No Acc teams in the FF would be amazing.
Or Maryland. Or Uva. Or Georgetown. They lost to every tournament IN team they played 0-4.
The won some games against sorry ass Syracuse and mediocre Duke. That's it.
Should we end our series with St. John's? They're trash and don't help our RPI out much.
Longtime lurker and fan here, but seldom poster
question for you are a wealth of information about this program - does it make sense to start going out west to play a game or two every other year since it appears we recruit some of our players from the western side of the country?
thank you for all of your insights. I enjoyed reading them over the years.
You’re welcome. It’s obviously something I care deeply about like a lot of alums.
To answer your question, yes! There used to be a big game out here between two top programs. I’d love to see that revisited and be a part of it.
The more visibility here the better. Ca is fast becoming my a very big source of talent. And as we know, Brian loves a diverse roster.
We’ve had a number of Ca kids. Need to continue that, which I believe we are. Playing here would be really good. I’d be a great host too :)
At some point there were weekend early season tournaments with 4 teams in Dallas and LA. Didn't Harvard and Duke play in Florida this year (not the West I realize). And years back USF used to have sort of rolling tournaments with teams coming in on a staggered basis with their slightly different spring break schedule and play 2-3 games on a round robin basis. I think that stopped when games stated being scheduled in early February.
As we get past Covid I could scheduling in these non-traditional areas with their up and coming talent. For that matter, how about Seattle in March?
My daughter is not an ugly girl and neither are her friends. What an a-hole comment
