Archie Miller (Dayton) and Bob Hurley (Buffalo)

[Aggs]

Originally posted by RU-Choppin-Ohio:

Originally posted by Aggs:
Choppin is in every thread about coaches, especially Hurley.

No one's calling for Jordan's head, but you attack those of us who bring up other coaches. We know Jordan's under contract - is it illegal to discuss another coach? It's March Madness.

You make stuff up like 'You think the Hurley's walk on water' and "BAC and ruman think we'd get X, Y, Z recruit LOL'
this is just a troll job by you and it makes me think you have an agenda here.




This post was edited on 3/15 9:27 PM by Aggs

Come on,......Why are we talking about other coaches on a Rutgers basketball board?

Yes, I do have an agenda. Support the coach, like I have supported every coach.....IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH ?

It's not a sin to talk about prospective candidates for down the road - coaches leave for different jobs all the time. In the end it's a business. Some fans are aware of this. For example, the Lakers could hypothetically offer a job to Eddie Jordan and he accepts - we should be prepared for anything.


This post was edited on 3/15 9:41 PM by Aggs

 

[ruman]

Shhh
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[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Originally posted by Aggs:

Originally posted by RU-Choppin-Ohio:

Originally posted by Aggs:
Choppin is in every thread about coaches, especially Hurley.

No one's calling for Jordan's head, but you attack those of us who bring up other coaches. We know Jordan's under contract - is it illegal to discuss another coach? It's March Madness.

You make stuff up like 'You think the Hurley's walk on water' and "BAC and ruman think we'd get X, Y, Z recruit LOL'
this is just a troll job by you and it makes me think you have an agenda here.





This post was edited on 3/15 9:27 PM by Aggs

Come on,......Why are we talking about other coaches on a Rutgers basketball board?

Yes, I do have an agenda. Support the coach, like I have supported every coach.....IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH ?

It's not a sin to talk about prospective candidates for down the road - coaches leave for different jobs all the time. In the end it's a business. Some fans are aware of this. For example, the Lakers could hypothetically offer a job to Eddie Jordan and he accepts - we should be prepared for anything.




This post was edited on 3/15 9:41 PM by Aggs

Come on... you know that's not what is going on here. Multiple people have called for Jordan to be let go and someone else hired, including BAC and Ruman. Now, we see threads about Moore... Hurley, etc.

 

[ruman]

But the endless discussions that no coach can ever be expected to win - those are interesting threads right?

And I never called for EJ to be fired this year. But I have felt this was a poor hire from the start.- and I've seen nothing in two years to change my mind.



This post was edited on 3/15 8:02 PM by ruman

 

[rutgersguy1]

I don't talk much about recruiting in football/basketball as I said but I always like to talk about coaches that I think can make the step up regardless of whether it's related to us or anyone else. I like talking about coaching candidates so the talk doesn't bother me.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Originally posted by ruman:
But the endless discussions that no coach can ever be expected to win - those are interesting threads right?

And I never called for EJ to be fired this year. But I have felt this was a poor hire from the start.- and I've seen nothing in two years to change my mind.


This post was edited on 3/15 8:02 PM by ruman

No....I like interesting threads like basketball instincts and BB IQ. Did you participate in that one or do you limit your comments to threads that require little basketball knowledge but lots of opinions about things that no one can prove or disprove?

The season is 8 months away.....new recruits are not on campus, no one has seen them practice or play, shoot, play defense and everyone is already predicting 10 wins...... what's that agenda? It's silly

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This post was edited on 3/15 10:30 PM by RU-Choppin-Ohio

 

[MADHAT1]

Originally posted by ruman:
I'm clearly saying that keeping Jordan past next year without improved play or a big recruiting class is something we shouldn't do. Not saying that we will pull the plug under my scenario, but that we should.

Maybe it will all happen and I will look like an ass. God do I hope so. Because Eddie Jordan putting Rutgers into the tournament would be one of the greatest sports stories ever at RU.

But I am a realist. If things don't change in 12 months we'll know. Just like Depaul new about Purnell last year or sooner.
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I can agree with giving Eddie his third then pulling the plug if it looks like he can't get the job done.
But I would say that on anyone hired after Rice.
I don't expect a winning team, but one far more competitive than then this year's team.
Last season anyone taking the job deserved a Mulligan because of the situation they walked into.
As for recruiting, think it will be hard for to get top talent for awhile, so place my expectations on development.
That is something I would give to anyone who took the job after Rice put RU in a position that made it hard for his replacement
to get the talented players to consider Rutgers because of the way RU looKed because of him.
Not mentioning the way the program has been mishandled for years making RU MBB a place to stay away from if you're talented and have pro aspirations.

But I still think talent would not come to RU right away , under most coaches hired , unless they were proven winners.
Not local boys that are just making their bones in the College MBB Coaching ranks at the mid major level without
making the school their at a top mid major program with multiple Dance appearances.
Danny Hurley might make a name for himself, but this is his first winning season ( in 3) at URI and I think it's a bit
early to be speculating how he would have done, if he accepted the RU position, or how he would recruit as the RU MBB HC.
He might do great or might fail, because he never had a HC position that has the obstacles Jordan faced when he took the RU job and faced his 2nd year on the job. That goes for anyone Rutgers might have hired or people want to hire , that doesn't have a proven track record as a Major Program HC .




This post was edited on 3/15 11:49 PM by MADHAT1

 

[ruman]

Hurley won 8 games in year 1, 14 in year 2, and 22 this year. He also has a team full of freshman and sophs which means he will be great next year, and built the team when he wasn't winning. I'll be shocked in Sina doesn't wind up there too.
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[MADHAT1]

Originally posted by ruman:
Hurley won 8 games in year 1, 14 in year 2, and 22 this year. He also has a team full of freshman and sophs which means he will be great next year, and built the team when he wasn't winning. I'll be shocked in Sina doesn't wind up there too.
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Nothing is assured, but winning more games each year is an indication program is improving.
Hurley took over a program that had one bad year since its 19-14 2006-07 season .
In 2011-12 it was 7-24, but was 109-61 the 5 seasons before that, 4 were 20 win or more seasons (06-07 was only 19 Ws).

It's not like Danny turned around a bad progran, just took over one that a bad year cost the HC his job
because of no NCAAs and 5 NITs in that HCs 11 years.
URI had success before Danny took over and thought he's proving to be a good hire for the Rams, won't put him in the
miracle worker category there, because of Rhode Island's past success.

 

[BobRC72]

Frankly, this whole discussion is moot. No matter what any of us think about the Hurleys, we can't get either one of them until we show some higher level of commitment to the program.

 

[RutgHoops]

Originally posted by MADHAT1:

The coaches before Jordan had little support , helping them fail instead of succeed.
Some posters bring up how Waters could have done well if given more time, but he had 5 years compared to Jordan's two and didn't inherite the problems Eddie did ( naked free throws wasbad, but not like the mess Rice left and an AD fired because of the MBB program).

What Gary did that no HC has done since was get kids he recruited to Senior Day. Inherited Lamizana and got him to Senior Day. Re-recruited Shields and got him to Senior Day. Joynes---Senior day. Webb--Senior Day. Douby until his Junior year and NBA. Wiggan--Senior Day. Adrian Hill--Senior Day. Kept Axani until Senior day.

Our best teams ('03-'04) added talented frosh like Webb and Douby to a good upper class of Shields/Herve/Ax/Wiggan (and throw in a Soph like Hill).

Or added talented frosh ('05-'06) like FIG to an upper class of Douby, Webb, Joynes, Inglis while Sophs like Bailey/Waterstradt contributed depth as they remained with the program.

I went back and did some research. Since Gary left in the previous 6 years (before this season) we have gotten FOUR kids we recruited as frosh to Senior Day (N'Diaye, Coburn, Miller, Austin Johnson). Four recruits in six years to Senior Day is a joke and a recipe for failure at a school like Rutgers.

Those NIT teams weren't "super talented teams", but they had experience and didn't go thru the transfer pandemic we have seen since. Eddie recruited Etou then recruited a class of 5 (Williams/Foreman/Doorson/Diallo/R. Johnson) and then a class of 3 (Sanders/K. Johnson/Goode). If six or seven of those nine kids get to Senior Day we will have results similar and maybe better than the "decent" Waters teams (imo). The key is keeping the kids we recruit at Rutgers.

 

[knight82]

Another thing about the Hurleys is I don't think they've gotten over the fact that we fired Danny years ago (along with Kevin Bannon and the rest of the staff). They're a close family and I'm sure they hold a grudge. Danny played hardball with us two years ago, requesting seven years when he knew there was no way in hell he was gonna get that. I don't think either one of them would give us a chance at hiring them.