We lost to #2 Michigan 11-0, #3 Ohio State 11-0, #12 Penn State 9-2, and Iowa 9-2 they have the four best records in the Big Ten and we‘re probably are fifth best or sixth if we lost to Maryland?
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lolWe lost to #2 Michigan 11-0, #3 Ohio State 11-0, #12 Penn State 9-2, and Iowa 9-2 they have the four best records in the Big Ten and we‘re probably are fifth best or sixth if we lost to Maryland?
While I get what you are saying- this year was never about next year...I’ve repeatedly said that I don’t care that we are losing these games.
I’m annoyed at how we are losing - with the offensive philosophy actively avoiding any possible futher development of the passing game or QBs.
We had 4 free games to get a head start on next year and have actually gone backwards in strategy.
04' ?When’s the last time we scored a TD?
While I get what you are saying- this year was never about next year...
that makes zero sense, even by Greg's own retarded comment on us being developmental teamWhile I get what you are saying- this year was never about next year...
Incompletions stop the clock. That right there tells you why we run almost all the time. Third and long is often a QB run. The game plan is only to run clock and hope for big defensive plays.That’s fine.
The whole “we can’t develop the passing game. Need to stick with the rushing game because it gives us the best chance to win,”
I think it’s incredibly short sighted since HC Schiano isn’t coaching for his job but whatever.
But that goes out the windows today when the only thing working was the passing game.
If the staff truly wanted to “run the offense we need to win today” then we wouldn’t have thrown it 16 times and rushes over 40 times.
It appears to be “well run it hell or high water. Doesn’t matter the run game fumbled it. The ball is the program only when the passing game turned it over.”
so not to win but keep the score somewhat close, hopefully lolIncompletions stop the clock. That right there tells you why we run almost all the time. Third and long is often a QB run. The game plan is only to run clock and hope for big defensive plays.
We're not really competitive in them though. Once Wisconsin, Iowa, or Penn State takes the lead, the outcome is decided. We haven't threatened to take the lead or come from behind in any of these games. The defense slows down the opposing O, and then it's just a matter of time before the other team scores.Yes. We're losing games we're supposed to lose, and we're competitive in them. It hurts to make more mistakes than we're forcing our opponents to make, like Gavin's brutal pick 6s against OSU and Wisky. It also hurts to see a championship caliber defense squandered. It's OK to want more but we should be satisfied at 6-5.
I think that is a little harsh. We have been competitive and beat mid level teams. NW and VaTech quickly come to mind. Both of which will be at least .500 and going to bowl games. Some people would classify MSU as mid level also.RU can compete/win against the bottom feeders.
This is correct. We are a middle of the pack Big Ten team this year just like basketball has been the last few years.I think that is a little harsh. We have been competitive and beat mid level teams. NW and VaTech quickly come to mind. Both of which will be at least .500 and going to bowl games. Some people would classify MSU as mid level also.
This is something that we haven't done in the past 5-10 years.
What these guys are missing- not long ago- we were the bottom feeder. We are looking at progression- they are just f-ing idiots.I think that is a little harsh. We have been competitive and beat mid level teams. NW and VaTech quickly come to mind. Both of which will be at least .500 and going to bowl games. Some people would classify MSU as mid level also.
This is something that we haven't done in the past 5-10 years.
That's Schianoball in a nutshell. The defense is good enough to keep them from being blowouts early but the offense is not ever good enough to win. TDs win games, a few FGs do not.We're not really competitive in them though. Once Wisconsin, Iowa, or Penn State takes the lead, the outcome is decided. We haven't threatened to take the lead or come from behind in any of these games. The defense slows down the opposing O, and then it's just a matter of time before the other team scores.
Without "playmakers" we are actually ahead of the pace. I do agree with you- we have some really good players you need on a successful team. The next step, is where these same hard playing, ball busting players, are fighting with 2-3 others just to get a startWe need playmakers across the board. Period. That's what's keeping us from taking the next step.
We are where we should be in Schiano 2.0, IMO. Maybe even a little ahead because of the defense.
Of course. But this is a wonderful testing ground to confirm who the dummies are on this board.We lost to #2 Michigan 11-0, #3 Ohio State 11-0, #12 Penn State 9-2, and Iowa 9-2 they have the four best records in the Big Ten and we‘re probably are fifth best or sixth if we lost to Maryland?
I don’t disagree totally except in part about raising our standards.I think they have won every game that was reasonable to expect them to win. Preseason expectations were low and they were met with four games to go. But once you get to 6-2, those preseason expectations should not be the sole basis for evaluating the season. Preseason rankings and expectations tend to be highly inaccurate and many teams overachieve each year. We have not in a long time yet the opportunity was there this year. It is disappointing to have to sit through watching it disappear not only because the other teams may have more talent but because we can't function on offense.
Yes we lost to some good teams. Yes we gave OSU a game but these last two weeks have been sobering and just reiterates that you need at least a semi competent offense to win games against good teams. Let's not be trying to replicate the Iowa model to that extent.
Greg uses the development mantra as a way to manage expectations of his team. It works for many in the fanbase. If we lose or don't get guys in the portal it will be about the money. The reality is that he has been here 4 years, and while he was not dealt a good hand, finishing 6-6 and going to a minor bowl game does not warrant discussion of an extension for a guy with 4 more years to go. While the staffing changes that seem to have focused on coaching versus recruiting seemed to help, the fact tha he took so long to find an OC and then had to overpay for a retread like KC is telling. With him as the OC, running the ball will be the priority based on his success doing so at Minnesota.
We need to raise our standards when it comes to expectations for our athletic teams. .500 seasons needs to be the floor and 7-8 wins the standard. The portal and NIL as currently constituted make it tougher to for a school like RU but that is life in college football as we know it.
When our fanbase provides similar resources to our peers, we can talk about raising standards.I think they have won every game that was reasonable to expect them to win. Preseason expectations were low and they were met with four games to go. But once you get to 6-2, those preseason expectations should not be the sole basis for evaluating the season. Preseason rankings and expectations tend to be highly inaccurate and many teams overachieve each year. We have not in a long time yet the opportunity was there this year. It is disappointing to have to sit through watching it disappear not only because the other teams may have more talent but because we can't function on offense.
Yes we lost to some good teams. Yes we gave OSU a game but these last two weeks have been sobering and just reiterates that you need at least a semi competent offense to win games against good teams. Let's not be trying to replicate the Iowa model to that extent.
Greg uses the development mantra as a way to manage expectations of his team. It works for many in the fanbase. If we lose or don't get guys in the portal it will be about the money. The reality is that he has been here 4 years, and while he was not dealt a good hand, finishing 6-6 and going to a minor bowl game does not warrant discussion of an extension for a guy with 4 more years to go. While the staffing changes that seem to have focused on coaching versus recruiting seemed to help, the fact tha he took so long to find an OC and then had to overpay for a retread like KC is telling. With him as the OC, running the ball will be the priority based on his success doing so at Minnesota.
We need to raise our standards when it comes to expectations for our athletic teams. .500 seasons needs to be the floor and 7-8 wins the standard. The portal and NIL as currently constituted make it tougher to for a school like RU but that is life in college football as we know it.
Yes. It's very clear that as the season goes on we start to wear down due to injuries and depth issues. The real good teams have the studs and depth. We're definitely not there yet but on the right path.Without "playmakers" we are actually ahead of the pace. I do agree with you- we have some really good players you need on a successful team. The next step, is where these same hard playing, ball busting players, are fighting with 2-3 others just to get a start
100%!!!!!! Plus 4 of the top 8 defenses in the FN country!!!! You don't go from 4 wins to 8-10 wins in this league especially with our schedule (Which changes next year)...You take steps and we took a big one this year. For those who can't see it, it must suck to live life being so negative...We lost to #2 Michigan 11-0, #3 Ohio State 11-0, #12 Penn State 9-2, and Iowa 9-2 they have the four best records in the Big Ten and we‘re probably are fifth best or sixth if we lost to Maryland?
He said as much in his presser a few weeks ago. Not in those words, but kicking himself he left. If I recall I think he called leaving a mistake.Yes. It's very clear that as the season goes on we start to wear down due to injuries and depth issues. The real good teams have the studs and depth. We're definitely not there yet but on the right path.
Schiano must be kicking himself in the ass that he left before we got into the B1G.
We lost to #2 Michigan 11-0, #3 Ohio State 11-0, #12 Penn State 9-2, and Iowa 9-2 they have the four best records in the Big Ten and we‘re probably are fifth best or sixth if we lost to Maryland?
This is what I’m talking about. Yeah RU has improved but may end up 6-6. This is the competition. I’m content for the time being-not satisfied. Should never be satisfied with a .500 record. Keep grinding. They’ll get there. I doubt Schiano tells them to be satisfied. It’s a building block.Not too tough at all. With increased level of play comes increased expectations, that’s a good thing. If this was same old same old 3-9 record and getting boat raced by the whole conference with 40 point losses, then no one would care, comment or critique as much. It’s a good thing that people are tough as they realize this team can DO EVEN MORE…..that’s a good thing, it’s called progress.
I am going to quote someone from another thread:
“Rutgers has lost 5 games this year. Their worst loss is to Wisconsin at Camp Randall. Their other losses came against #1, #2, #12 and #16. 3 of which were on the road.“
I mean puts it into perspective REALLY well!!!!
I think the offensive ineptitude/ unbelievably conservative offensive playcalling (as well as the unwillingness to return a single punt/kick) is frustrating people to such a degree that they’re losing perspective
- we have beaten EVERY team we “should” beat (a few of which have turned out to be decent). Not a single Wtf loss
- bowl eligible before halloween
- not a single blow out loss. In every game against the bluebloods we kept the game competitive deep into the second half
All of these were expectations/ hopes at the beginning of the year - and they accomplished them. I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if some of the people now bitching had expressed these as their hopes for the season
So while I’m hardly jumping up and down for joy, I can objectively see that the program as a whole has taken an undeniable step forward this year.