While Shelby agrees with your assessment of his ability, or rather inability, to make RU a regular winner, he objects to your ‘tarded’ verbiage. Not appropriate. It’s not 1930.
As Rutgers punches bowl bid, Greg Schiano earns bonus: Here’s how much
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Maybe at places with some good history or expectations. Kyle flood and Chris ash burned the program to the ground.
Schiano comes relatively cheap and has made us respectable. We have proven we can’t do better . Schiano is as good as it gets
he's not cheap, we can do better and you guys need to stop acting like battered wives and develop some self fking respect. Demand more from the program or this program will be outside looking in. I told you all the model is going to change and now is the time to seize it. It's why I'm hyper focused on our TV numbers and ad rates.
We are 1 game behind where I thought we'd be (I said 8 wins minimum) and lost two we should have won and won one we shouldn't have. He can have a good season still
What makes you think we can do better ?
You may have some warm and fuzzy feelings. I got 50 years of evidence. Case closed
Wait, HC Schiano will get a bonus for winning a specific game?
Doesn't the mean he'll coach extra hard that game and slack off the rest of the games?
It's against the "aura" of college athletics to place a specific game above the others.
This is unacceptable!!!
Did I get the dumb NIL arguments over the Players Era basketball tournament correct? I think I did.
Doesn't the mean he'll coach extra hard that game and slack off the rest of the games?
It's against the "aura" of college athletics to place a specific game above the others.
This is unacceptable!!!
Did I get the dumb NIL arguments over the Players Era basketball tournament correct? I think I did.
That’s the current favorite claim of the anti-Schiano crowd, that he only realized he was wrong when KM got hurt. Which is another laughably tunnel-vision-based assumption showing narrative-clinging silliness and a distinct lack of critical thinking.
GS was actually asked about that, more or less, in his postgame press conference. He gave a clear and logical answer that disproves the narrative from the know-it-all fans who think they can coach better than him.
Maybe it's me but it seems the posters who are quickest to call someone "fake Rutgers fan" for criticizing HC Schiano are the same ones who say "Rutgers is a crap program with a crap history and a cheap crap fanbase. This is the best we could ever do so stop expecting more than just hoping to be bowl eligible."
Funny how they sound exactly like what Syracuse and other fans say about Rutgers.
Saying that Rutgers should aim to be better makes you a "fake fan who actually roots for Syracuse or Penn State."
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Greg earns up to $1.6 million if he wins the bigger bowls, according to his December 2023 memorandum of agreement* with the university. The big bowls pay Greg a lot more than, say, the Pinstripe Bowl or the Motor City Bowl.
*Memorandum of understanding corrected to memorandum of agreement
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To the contrary mensa man…you weren’t paying attention it appears. he said injuries required that he get creative and do different things. Do the math…if creative, different things with backups yielded better offense than we had doing non-creative things with starters, what does that tell you ? Either that the backups are better than the starters or the changed philosophy made all the difference, even with backups. We both know the answer.
“Inability to provide depth”
95 with yet another moronic post in an internet career full of them.
I guess you haven’t watched a game yet this season.
If you find the time, watch the replays to see us at 6-4 in the BIG 10 despite playing backups considerable time at RT, LG, TE, RB, OLB, MLB, DE, CB 1, CB2, and S.
I know what he said. we both know the offense with backups has been better than what it was with all skill position starters playing. We both know why Mrs. Custer.
The combined record of the teams Penn State have played is also well below .500, and they are ranked 4.
With what consistency are you referring to that the offense previously failed on us? Are you seriously suggesting that this style would’ve worked for us at Nebraska through those grueling wind gusts? I’m not sure OSU or Oregon breaks 20 in that game. The D was terrible at that point and its success was actually “fools gold” - we had a few good moments on D but Mother Nature played a big role in why Nebraska was shut down in that game. Greg knows it.
You could point to struggles vs. Wisconsin but that wasn’t for lack of trying to open up the offense. On that particular day our receivers hands were butter fingers. Guys have bad days - it happens. And the way our D played it didn’t much matter.
There is no other game you could point to where our offense was remotely responsible for us losing. There was a point in the season where the D was unacceptably bad. Greg knows it and has acknowledged as much. There are the Yeah Baby type fans pointing to posts about that and laughing as if those comments were wrong based on what we’re doing now. I don’t get that either. The D vs UCLA was a failure - very un Schiano like. Greg knows it and everyone should. It was our second and third team units - yes, but that is no excuse for not being able to tackle a notoriously immobile QB. Kudos to Greg for NOT making excuses to try to explain the issues then. He earned the right to do so following Maryland in reflection and what he said made perfect sense - it’s not excusable, rather understandable why we were not prepared.
All this said - the D is the reason we’ve underperformed. Not the offense. The offense is vastly improved from last season in all facets.
Plum you're a good poster but that is a straight up loser mentality
The naysayers will be glad to point out that if RU beats Illinois, they will fall out of the rankings and that won't count. Just incredible the lengths that they will go to disparage.
I won't speak for others, I've long said that pre and in season rankings shouldn't be valued.
It's end of season rankings that matter.
For example, we beat #2 ranked USF who ended up unranked.
Was that a bigger win than Louisville who finished ranked?
I wouldn't call Washington's win over "#10 Michigan" very impressive from earlier in the year.
But I'm sure some of their fans will stay say "We best a top 10 team".
You know they rooting for Washington and Minnesota to lose out as the big (false) argument has always been GS beats no one with a winning record (and UMD and VT can still get one, but former appears unlikely). Illinois though has winning record already so will definitely take your angle.
I agree Rutgers could do better.
That goes back to when Burns left and all the HCs that came after Frank.
The question is: why hasn't Rutgers hired the type of HC that would/could bring the program to the elite level.
The answer is they don't want to come, Greg is about the best Rutgers will get.
I doubt Schaino will make RUFB an elite program, but will do enough to make it the type of program that will be bowl eligible and go to the minor bowls and make the Rutgers fanbase expect more from the program.
Before Greg 1 came Rutgers fans could only hope to have a winning season
By the time he left Schiano was a marked man because the fanbase not only expected a winning season but demanded BE Championships and the BCS bowls that came with it.
G2 came along when the fanbase was in a state of disrepair and even though he will be on his 3rd bowl in the 5 years he has been back, Greg is held to the standards of if the program isn't considered elite and playoff ready, Schiano has failed at his job.
Salary he receives is an issue for some, but over the years since Frank Burns left in 1983 , without realizing what Schiano recives is in the middle of salarey range of what B1G HCs receive and he has Rutgers in the middle of pack insted of at the bottom like it was when he took over from Ash who had returned the progran to the state it was when he first arrived at Rutgers taking over the program from Terry Shea
Do I want a better HC than Greg?
Of course I do !
But the answer to that want is the question of why Rutgers hasn't found better since they fired Frank Burns in 1983
We have 9 guys from the 2-deep out for the year yet, since the bye, have won 2-consecutive B1G games (1 on the road) we were expected to lose PLAYING A SLEW of kids who weren't on the 2-deep coming into the season!!!
Also, we're not losing our seat at the table. Period. (the other dude alluding to this; not you...)
The anti Schiano crowd are delusional malcontents.
Delusional perhaps.
But isn't that the point of being a fan?
At best it's a little delusional - nobody is expecting us to win the Big Ten.
I would say the "pro-Schiano" crowd who constantly says "Rutgers has a cheap fanbase, crap facilities/no fieldhouse, dumb management who can't be trusted to make coaching hires. Stop expecting more than being happy to just make a bowl" are the malcontents.
If the program is in such a sad state then run to another program with better potential like Schiano did the first time?
My view continues to be that RU is a tough job. That is the reason GS was offered the Michigan job and Miami job despite having a losing record at that point at Rutgers. People who are in this business realize that he did a great job. They knew he inherited a disaster from Shea. Eventually he gets a NFL head coaching offer and takes it. The same people who were certain that he was overrated switch to the disloyal argument. How could he leave at the height of the recruiting season? RU then hires 2 failures. Program falters despite being in the B1G. Next hire is key. Influential donors step in and insist that GS is brought back. Not like Vince Lombardi II was out there for us. GS arrives, upgrades talent, gets us to a bowl last season, and does a great job holding things together this season despite the injuries. Fire him! We need to be like Indiana! Top 10 every year! I'm an idiot!
That about sums it up.
Totally agree with you here. The ACC is a perfect example.
First game of the season, Georgia Tech beat #10 Florida State (now 1-9). Georgia Tech is 6-4.
I agree with all that. I don't know if GS can take this team to a conference championship or regular 9-10 win seasons. Without a lot more NIL funding, I don't think any coach can do that here.
But he's been doing better than I expected so far. And while I think other coaches could do just as well, and possibly better than GS, it's totally hypothetical and entirely unprovable until some other coach comes here and actually does it. Doing it at some other school does not prove that coach could do it here. Hiring new coaches, just like it was with GS both times, is always a gamble.
Without Schiano our NIL money would be way worst. Do people even realize this? That's one reason those who bitch and moan about him are so uninformed. Believe me , he influences many big doners to give and to consistently do so. And don’t be misguided to think the type of players he chooses and yes, him forcing them to classes counts with doners. Ask people who know, he's a prick about grades and classes. I know.
That's an unprovable assertion. It's your opinion, and that's fine.
But objectively speaking, nobody knows what would happen with NIL funding at RU with some other coach. It's not possible to measure it because he's the only NIL-era coach we've had. And since nobody can predict the future, nobody can say what might happen with coaches that come after Schiano.
Plum might , like me, be going by who Rutgers has hired and wondering why RU couldn't do better since Frank Burns was fired in 1983 because he could win facing a tougher schedule then the the type he was a winner playing because he was supported by the administration like he was coaching a D-1AA program after RU moved up to the D-1A level and scheduled D-1A opponents.
Most forget Schiano1 wasn't going to take the job unless his demands were met and only came when Bob Mulcahy agreed.
Greg 2 st demands to be met before he'd return and Pat Hobbs didn't want to meet them..
It took a pissed off fanbase and Schiano compromising for the return of Greg to happen
and I would bet Greg only compromised because there weren't other head coaching opportunities out their for him to chose from.
Hobbs probably agreed because the ones he wanted didn't want what Rutgers was offering and those candidates didn't have the fanbase clamoring for Hobbs to give them what they wanted in order that they's take the job..
It's not loser mentality Plum has as much as being disgusted of the way RU does business when they negotiate with coaching talent to replace their last failure .
I defend Schiano being hired because I feel what Rutgers offers isn't enough to bring in the best and Schiano is the best of the rest
But I expect bowl eligibility under him and only can hope he can build a program capable of reaching the elite level type of program many here expect to see or consider Schiano a failure even if he reaches minor bowls every year
Plenty of Posters on this site already have a lifetime extension when it comes to him. Just saying.Also a bowl win might get him a lifetime extension
Ps..glad he earned the bonus and any other performance based ones they put in his contract.
