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Asbury Park Press Editorial-Rutgers Doubles Down-B1G Mistake?

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http://www.app.com/story/opinion/editorials/2015/12/07/rutgers-football-coach-ash/76940648/
EDITORIAL: Rutgers doubles-down on the big time
Instead of using the period after Rutgers fired its athletic director and head football coach last week to sit back and reflect on the future of athletics there, the university wasted no time fortifying its commitment to spending whatever it takes to turn Rutgers into a national powerhouse.

On Monday, following the well-deserved dismissals of Athletic Director Julie Hermann and coach Kyle Flood, Rutgers announced the hiring of Flood’s replacement, Ohio State defensive coordinator Chris Ash as head football coach. Days earlier, former Gov. Chris Christie ombudsman Pat Hobbs was named AD.

No matter how you cut it, big-time sports at Rutgers over the past two years has been an unmitigated disaster, on and off the field. But that lack of success has overshadowed the financial cost of Rutgers athletics and the cost to the university’s reputation in its all-out effort to become a major national player in football, and to a lesser extent, basketball.

This would have been an ideal time to rethink its approach to athletics, and its role in the overall mission of the university. Instead, Hobbs, Rutgers President Robert Barchi and the university’s governing board made it clear they were committed to spending even more, on its new football coach and the assistant coaching staff, to become more competitive in the Big Ten.

Rutgers has tried to justify the investment in going big time by arguing the payoff would come in increased name recognition, which presumably would increase the number and qualify of applicants to Rutgers, and the generation of increased pride in the university, which would produce increased giving by alumni. That’s the theory. Here’s the reality:

•Rutgers athletics continues to be a drain on a financially strapped university. In fiscal 2014, Rutgers received a $36.3 million subsidy to balance the athletic department budget — more than any other university in America. The money comes from student fees and direct government or institutional support.
•Ash will receive a five-year base contract worth $11 million. Incentives could substantially increase that amount. The $2 million he will receive his first year is a $1.4 million raise from his job at Ohio State and $750,000 more than was paid Flood this year.

•To get rid of Flood, who was terminated “without cause,” Rutgers gave him a $1.4 million buyout. In other words, Flood, who presided over a team that went 4-8, was suspended for three games for impermissible contact with a faculty member and had seven team members arrested and six dismissed, received a $150,000 raise to leave.

•Rutgers not only determined it would have to pay a new head coach more to get the quality needed to compete in the Big Ten, it also has indicated it will have to pay its assistant coaches more as well. In 2014, Rutgers football’s staff of nine on-field assistant coaches was paid $2.4 million, only eighth best in the Big Ten.

•Salaries aren’t the only strain athletics are placing on Rutgers. In May, the Board of Governors came up with an athletics facilities master plan that called for building a multisports facility with separate practice courts for the men’s and women’s basketball teams. refurbishing the existing basketball arena and football stadium and turning the Hale Center, which recently underwent a $12.5 million expansion, into a football-only facility. The price tag? None was attached to the plan, but Barchi estimated it could approach $3 billion.

Rutgers continues to insist that the finances will take care of themselves once it receives its full Big Ten payout distribution — in 2021. At best, that’s debatable. It’s a shame that debate never took place.
 
If an APP Tree falls in the forest, does it make a noise?

Don't click the link.
 
I guess by sitting back and reflecting they meant giving up on athletics. I wonder how the Asbury park press thinks the university is supposed to pay for the stadium with unfilled seats. Like it or not the decision was made years ago and it's too late to turn back.
 
That article is a prime example as to why Rutgers has a hard time succeeding. Why do I feel that certain faculty members here are leaking information to the press.

There's a flip side to what was written in that article but we rarely read a fair and balanced article from any of the NJ papers regarding the football program. Good luck Coach Ash.
 
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so what do the Rutgers beatwriters think of this..are they condemning it or staying silent, are they retweeting it...what do Carino and Dunleavy have to say it. What are guys like Politi and Sargant saying...they know that this Editorial and others like this are absurd. Do they ever call out their bosses in their own pieces?
 
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The funny thing is Ash's compensation for a college football head coach at the P5 level is quite reasonable and a value hire. What would the op piece said if we would have hired an experienced P5 coach for $4M - $5M a year?

As for staff compensation we're mid-pack for the B1G. What does the author expect? We're right in line with what other large, public state universities are doing.

Coach Flood's buyout is contractually obligated regardless, so that's a moot point.
 
Great logical writing again by the press.
Here is the key paragraph where they set up the presentation of facts that will presumably follow:

"Rutgers has tried to justify the investment in going big time by arguing the payoff would come in increased name recognition, which presumably would increase the number and qualify of applicants to Rutgers, and the generation of increased pride in the university, which would produce increased giving by alumni. That’s the theory. Here’s the reality:"

So, I read on looking for the facts that support that the number and quality of applicants is not increasing or that alumni giving is not increasing. But the rest of the Op-Ed doesn't address either item.
 
There is also a long feature article in the NYTimes ( on line version, don't know about print) this morning summarizing the travails of Rutgers athletics since it joined the B1G, Nothing but headaches for Rutgers. PR is in the ER.
 
What a short sighted op-Ed. No consideoof the financial boon a few years away , as well as the tremendous influx of research money ceding on the prestigious CIC.

Or of the fact that for the first time since the 1930s or earlier, Rutgers is actually aligned with its peer institutions.
 
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We don't get full B1G share until 2021? WTF! I thought it was 5 years after we joined, so 2019.
 
$3 billion?? Wrong answer. That is for University wide facilties improvement and replacement over I believe the next 30 years.

Going all out to compete in the highest level of college football?? By hiring Chris Ash??? Couldnt be more wrong. We are making the typical move, that every other school in our position would make. It was conservative. Of course, he doesn't mention where the new coaching salaries stack up, even though he obviously looked it up and realized it doesn't prove his point. He knew we were 8th before. Going all out would have been paying Richt or Mullen whatever they wanted to come here. Wrong again.

FInally, he seems to think that Rutgers has the choice to 'sit back and see how things shake out.' Insanely wrong. For better or worse, Rutgers is committed to big time athletics. There is no backing out now. They have already sunk for too much money in to the stadium and other changes to go back to the colonial conference.

I've met losers like this before. And they are losers...of the highest order. Basically, their opinion is that Rutgers can never compete with "real" football schools, so they shouldn't be trying. These people are un-American. Total and complete losers who will never succeed at anything, because they don't believe there is any point in seeking to improve your lot.
 
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disingenuous buffoons - pandering to ignorant buffoons in their target audience.

"No matter how you cut it, big-time sports at Rutgers over the past two years has been an unmitigated disaster, on and off the field."

"an unmitigated disaster" ???
That is a highly uneducated,superficial and a grossly obtuse over-reach of a statement that reveals a comprehensive lack of understanding of the situation

While there were many, many things that were wrong off-the-field related to the football team, it stretches credibility to convert these stupid events to a sweeping indictment of ALL big-time sports at Rutgers. Maybe there were significant off-field issues with other sports ? not that I recall ... but certainly none that any reasonable person would call "an unmitigated disaster".

On the Field? - an unmitigated disaster? Let's just talk football - and the answer is NO, and right there was a HUGE part of the problem with the football program - in some ways it was victims of its own sporadic instances of success - Three bowls in the last four years - beat North Carolina handily in the Bowl game last year - win the "Lambert Trophy" - Objectively, this is not a ranked program - but it is also not the profile of "an unmitigated disaster" yet, it was painfully clear that the quality of the product on the field was decidedly NOT on an upward trajectory - and any astute student of the game could see that. Quite possibly the problem that hurt Rutgers football the most over the last several years was that it was not bad enough ... it had just enough glimmers of sunlight to postpone doing the 'heavy lifting' - postpone taking any major steps to re-set the course of the program.
 
disingenuous buffoons - pandering to ignorant buffoons in their target audience.

"No matter how you cut it, big-time sports at Rutgers over the past two years has been an unmitigated disaster, on and off the field."

"an unmitigated disaster" ???
That is a highly uneducated,superficial and a grossly obtuse over-reach of a statement that reveals a comprehensive lack of understanding of the situation

While there were many, many things that were wrong off-the-field related to the football team, it stretches credibility to convert these stupid events to a sweeping indictment of ALL big-time sports at Rutgers. Maybe there were significant off-field issues with other sports ? not that I recall ... but certainly none that any reasonable person would call "an unmitigated disaster".

On the Field? - an unmitigated disaster? Let's just talk football - and the answer is NO, and right there was a HUGE part of the problem with the football program - in some ways it was victims of its own sporadic instances of success - Three bowls in the last four years - beat North Carolina handily in the Bowl game last year - win the "Lambert Trophy" - Objectively, this is not a ranked program - but it is also not the profile of "an unmitigated disaster" yet, it was painfully clear that the quality of the product on the field was decidedly NOT on an upward trajectory - and any astute student of the game could see that. Quite possibly the problem that hurt Rutgers football the most over the last several years was that it was not bad enough ... it had just enough glimmers of sunlight to postpone doing the 'heavy lifting' - postpone taking any major steps to re-set the course of the program.
Exactly, don't forget a womens soccer final 4 and top ten ranked wrestling program. Looks like the APP is taking over for SL.
 
Golly, I think we have a new enemy in the press and it is not NJ.com.
http://www.app.com/story/opinion/editorials/2015/12/07/rutgers-football-coach-ash/76940648/
EDITORIAL: Rutgers doubles-down on the big time
Instead of using the period after Rutgers fired its athletic director and head football coach last week to sit back and reflect on the future of athletics there, the university wasted no time fortifying its commitment to spending whatever it takes to turn Rutgers into a national powerhouse.

On Monday, following the well-deserved dismissals of Athletic Director Julie Hermann and coach Kyle Flood, Rutgers announced the hiring of Flood’s replacement, Ohio State defensive coordinator Chris Ash as head football coach. Days earlier, former Gov. Chris Christie ombudsman Pat Hobbs was named AD.

No matter how you cut it, big-time sports at Rutgers over the past two years has been an unmitigated disaster, on and off the field. But that lack of success has overshadowed the financial cost of Rutgers athletics and the cost to the university’s reputation in its all-out effort to become a major national player in football, and to a lesser extent, basketball.

This would have been an ideal time to rethink its approach to athletics, and its role in the overall mission of the university. Instead, Hobbs, Rutgers President Robert Barchi and the university’s governing board made it clear they were committed to spending even more, on its new football coach and the assistant coaching staff, to become more competitive in the Big Ten.

Rutgers has tried to justify the investment in going big time by arguing the payoff would come in increased name recognition, which presumably would increase the number and qualify of applicants to Rutgers, and the generation of increased pride in the university, which would produce increased giving by alumni. That’s the theory. Here’s the reality:

•Rutgers athletics continues to be a drain on a financially strapped university. In fiscal 2014, Rutgers received a $36.3 million subsidy to balance the athletic department budget — more than any other university in America. The money comes from student fees and direct government or institutional support.
•Ash will receive a five-year base contract worth $11 million. Incentives could substantially increase that amount. The $2 million he will receive his first year is a $1.4 million raise from his job at Ohio State and $750,000 more than was paid Flood this year.

•To get rid of Flood, who was terminated “without cause,” Rutgers gave him a $1.4 million buyout. In other words, Flood, who presided over a team that went 4-8, was suspended for three games for impermissible contact with a faculty member and had seven team members arrested and six dismissed, received a $150,000 raise to leave.

•Rutgers not only determined it would have to pay a new head coach more to get the quality needed to compete in the Big Ten, it also has indicated it will have to pay its assistant coaches more as well. In 2014, Rutgers football’s staff of nine on-field assistant coaches was paid $2.4 million, only eighth best in the Big Ten.

•Salaries aren’t the only strain athletics are placing on Rutgers. In May, the Board of Governors came up with an athletics facilities master plan that called for building a multisports facility with separate practice courts for the men’s and women’s basketball teams. refurbishing the existing basketball arena and football stadium and turning the Hale Center, which recently underwent a $12.5 million expansion, into a football-only facility. The price tag? None was attached to the plan, but Barchi estimated it could approach $3 billion.

Rutgers continues to insist that the finances will take care of themselves once it receives its full Big Ten payout distribution — in 2021. At best, that’s debatable. It’s a shame that debate never took place.
This person obvious has done some research, but either they are extremely stupid or have an agenda to rile up people against Rutgers. It's kinda ridiculous which numbers are brought to light and how they are presented. APP should know better.
 
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This is provincial garbage from a provincial source. So let me get this straight, we should not model ourselves or try to emulate places like Michigan, UVA, UCLA, etc. - great academics and great athletics? I guess they think maybe we should model ourselves on minor players like the U of Rhode Island? Maybe the University of New Hampshire? Maybe Shippensburg State? The ignorance level at that paper seems beyond profound.
 
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well, so a bitter old troll who thinks Rutgers should just play Steven's Tech and NYU in football got loose from the attic and took over a computer.

Dude, the 1800s was a really long time ago, it really is time to let this go.

the APP just doubled down on stupid for that piece. Any goodwill they built up here has been destroyed. I hope it was worth a few extra clicks.
 
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Rutgers continues to insist that the finances will take care of themselves once it receives its full Big Ten payout distribution — in 2021. At best, that’s debatable. It’s a shame that debate never took place.
Except there is no debate given that TODAY - the full B1G share is $35MM and will likely exceed $50mm by the time we are full share partners.

Author - that word debatable: it does not mean what you think it means.
 
$3 billion?? Wrong answer. That is for University wide facilties improvement and replacement over I believe the next 30 years.

Going all out to compete in the highest level of college football?? By hiring Chris Ash??? Couldnt be more wrong. We are making the typical move, that every other school in our position would make. It was conservative. Of course, he doesn't mention where the new coaching salaries stack up, even though he obviously looked it up and realized it doesn't prove his point. He knew we were 8th before. Going all out would have been paying Richt or Mullen whatever they wanted to come here. Wrong again.

FInally, he seems to think that Rutgers has the choice to 'sit back and see how things shake out.' Insanely wrong. For better or worse, Rutgers is committed to big time athletics. There is no backing out now. They have already sunk for too much money in to the stadium and other changes to go back to the colonial conference.

I've met losers like this before. And they are losers...of the highest order. Basically, there opinion is that Rutgers can never compete with "real" football schools, so they shouldn't be trying. These people are un-American. Total and complete losers who will never succeed at anything, because they don't believe there is any point in seeking to improve your lot.
Talk about a lack of vision....the writer is typical of someone who lacks any vision and seems scared we might actually get it right and his ''story'' shows it...I wonder where he went to school.
 
This person obvious has done some research, but either they are extremely stupid or have an agenda to rile up people against Rutgers. It's kinda ridiculous which numbers are brought to light and how they are presented. APP should know better.
This writer probably thinks we need to be put ''in our place''and hates seeing us succeed...will he write about that and what school did he go to.
 
The press always mentions that the Rutgers Athletics budget deficit of $36 million but doesn't mention that the football program is break even. If we cut the football program out there still is the $36 million deficit due to the other sports. WIlliam Paterson and Montclair State are allowed to lose millions on their football programs while disbanding the State University football program.
 
What a weak ending to that.

Was that editorial from the editorial board at the APP or from an independent source?
 
Key Quote:

"which presumably would increase the number and qualify of applicants to Rutgers"

Hell, I hope having better name recognition and reputation would increase the "qualify" of Rutgers apps. Maybe they will learn to proofread during their time On the Banks.

The article doesn't mention what the P&L is for the football team. Instead it's "fun with numbers" to cherry pick what supports your view.

Yes, there was a large investment in the FB program to expand the stadium, hire a quality coach and build a program alumni would care about.

We're in the Big Ten. That's not only a program saving move, it's a move that will boost our academic reputation, grant awards, and research opportunities. By hitting it just right with Schiano & Mulcahy, Rutgers will be a relevant national university for the next hundred years.
 
The problem with the editorial is that it doesn't even hint at a prescription or an alternative course of action other than "debate".

If Rutgers doesn't go to the Big Ten, they end up staying in the AAC, a conference where they would see FAR less revenue. Unless your prescription is to drop football (which is one of the few self-sustaining sports) then all you're doing is losing somewhat less money in the short-term with no long-term gain.

If Rutgers scales back their athletic programs and becomes (for sake of argument) an FCS school, then what? You cut a bunch of sports, draw 10,000 people to your football games, and guarantee financial losses in perpetuity.

The entire article is built on the premise that there is some kind of other plan that would make athletics solvent and less of a drain on the finances on the university, and the really isn't. Joining the Big Ten was the right move, both from a prestige and image perspective as well as a financial one. Judging the move after less than two years is incredibly short-sighted.
 
Thankfully, they are getting hammered in the Comments:

Tom Glenn ·
Rutgers University
Who wrote this ???
Took one more shot at Kyle Flood for the suspension.....surprised Al Golden's name didn't come up as the guy Rutgers let get away.....lol.

Rutgers cast the die long ago that it wanted to play big time football and started spending $ millions years ago upgrading facilities and salaries (Schiano's salary was over $2 mil. per year).

Too late to backtrack unless you want a huge empty football stadium. This article is at least 8 years too late.
Hope Ash does a great job and turn the program around.
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Paul Caulfield ·
Point Pleasant Beach High School
Awful and inaccurate piece of garbage contained above. No surprise that the person who wrote this didn't put his/her name to it. Cowards shouldn't write anonymous editorials. APP shouldn't print them either!
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Russell MacEachern
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University of Hard Knocks
Is this guy serious....he seems personally affronted at the thought RU was accepted into the B1G...he should be ashamed of himself peddling such trash...we did HE go to school....the only debate is whats HIS agenda.Finally some great hires by RU and he digs up negative..can we imagine the Columbus Dispatch doing a ''story'' like this about OSU...only in NJ....
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Jim DeLyon ·
Closter, New Jersey
Are you kidding me with this garbage?
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Russell MacEachern
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University of Hard Knocks
Exactly my thoughts...unreal the garbage printed looking for clicks...obviously we know were this writer went to school in NY. ENVY.
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Arlene Sciarappa
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Rutgers University
Sorry, do not agree with this editorial. Rutgers is THE State University of NJ. It is nationally recognized academically, and its students and supporters need a nationally recognized sports program like other states. Barchi made the right call here.
 
Thanks so much for posting this. The bathroom at work ran out of toilet paper. Printing it out some copies and looking forward to wiping my arse with it later.
 
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This happened because Ash had the nerve to say that there were no hard questions. Oh yeah, we will show you, no hard questions you say. Shove this up your Ash. I hate every frigin rag in NJ. Self promoting due to the fact that they lose money and can't afford real investigating reporter's.
 
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