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Horrific NIL Numbers


This is an important article. Payments to athletes is going to change significantly once the NCAA settlement agreement is reached.

I hope that settlement the leads to meaningful regulation of boosters and how/when private money flows to the student athletes.
 
lol absolutely re^arded take

get a better coach and you'll see money come in
I'll agree with you re. people not contributing any or less bc of GS (myself included), but the majority of people on this board are so against NIL, i doubt they'd contribute if the staff consisted of Saban, Belechieck, Vince Lombardi and Parcells
 
I'll agree with you re. people not contributing any or less bc of GS (myself included), but the majority of people on this board are so against NIL, i doubt they'd contribute if the staff consisted of Saban, Belechieck, Vince Lombardi and Parcells
it's hard to be for something when you've got a HC that had Vedral under center for 3yrs and then wanted Gav despite the obvious issues. Let's not forget the schemes, coaching decisions, etc etc etc ....

NIL isn't the issue and with a better coach that the populace could rally around, that NIL dynamic changes. Of course RU need to reevaluate how they go about raising those numbers but then again, RU is managed by some pretty bad people so not expecting much there.

Hell if we had a coach like Cig and he rattled off a bunch of wins, that 5yr promise I just did to my grad school would be going to Rutgers! Get us a coach and then we can talk wallets

The real issue is we don't have very many big wallet alums willing to contribute which leaves guys like Brown having too much say.
 
it's hard to be for something when you've got a HC that had Vedral under center for 3yrs and then wanted Gav despite the obvious issues. Let's not forget the schemes, coaching decisions, etc etc etc ....

NIL isn't the issue and with a better coach that the populace could rally around, that NIL dynamic changes. Of course RU need to reevaluate how they go about raising those numbers but then again, RU is managed by some pretty bad people so not expecting much there.

Hell if we had a coach like Cig and he rattled off a bunch of wins, that 5yr promise I just did to my grad school would be going to Rutgers! Get us a coach and then we can talk wallets

The real issue is we don't have very many big wallet alums willing to contribute which leaves guys like Brown having too much say.
Not disagreeing with any of that
But a lot of people on the board are adamantly against NIL and refuse to donate, even though they know it's the key to success (or lack thereof)
Yet, despite this, they are the ones complaining the loudest
 
Not disagreeing with any of that
But a lot of people on the board are adamantly against NIL and refuse to donate, even though they know it's the key to success (or lack thereof)
Yet, despite this, they are the ones complaining the loudest
that assumes NIL is the reason we lost 3 out of 4 games we should have won and 1 out of the four we looked utterly lost and didn't know it was Saturday from Monday. NIL isn't the reason the depth is bad and said depth players look so woefully prepared or even understanding of where they belong on various sets.

NIL is the convenient scapegoat for the guys that refuse to look at Greg objectively.

kicker is I would love Greg as AD, LOVE him there
 
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that assumes NIL is the reason we lost 3 out of 4 games we should have won and 1 out of the four we looked utterly lost and didn't know it was Saturday from Monday. NIL isn't the reason the depth is bad and said depth players look so woefully prepared or even understanding of where they belong on various sets.

NIL is the convenient scapegoat for the guys that refuse to look at Greg objectively.

kicker is I would love Greg as AD, LOVE him there
As would I
Doubtful that he'd take a 6-million-dollar pay cut though
 
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‘I promise, we’re going to take that to another level’, Brian Kelly LSU after losing QB Underwood to Michigan. He meant NIL.
 
A "better coach" doesn't come to a place where people don't donate a lot of money or show strong support of the school.
Better coaches will take less money and raise funds for NIL. That’s what we need. Maybe they can build a field house in the off season
 
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Sure you can, and rightly so. With or without fat NIL coffers RU should not have a clueless HC with a track record of often not knowing which way the wind is blowing, figuratively and as we saw Saturday literally. The team would be better with a real HC, not a fraud who just has that title.

Has there ever been such egregious and obvious coaching malpractice in the history of sports ? Maybe the Miracle at the
Meadowlands fiasco, but this has got to be #2.

Good coaches win. That drives NIL.
 
Sure you can, and rightly so. With or without fat NIL coffers RU should not have a clueless HC with a track record of often not knowing which way the wind is blowing, figuratively and as we saw Saturday literally. The team would be better with a real HC, not a fraud who just has that title.

Has there ever been such egregious and obvious coaching malpractice in the history of sports ? Maybe the Miracle at the
Meadowlands fiasco, but this has got to be #2.

Good coaches win. That drives NIL.
I love NIL
We now have a chance
Prior to NIL, no chance
 
Sure you can, and rightly so. With or without fat NIL coffers RU should not have a clueless HC with a track record of often not knowing which way the wind is blowing, figuratively and as we saw Saturday literally. The team would be better with a real HC, not a fraud who just has that title.

Has there ever been such egregious and obvious coaching malpractice in the history of sports ? Maybe the Miracle at the
Meadowlands fiasco, but this has got to be #2.

Good coaches win. That drives NIL.
Let's give credit where credit is due. Schiano does have charisma. He looks like a coach. He talks like a coach. He walks like a coach. But that is where it ends. Beyond appearance, there is a rigid, stubborn middle aged guy who always plays not to to lose rather than to win, who seems impervious to modern college football, and whose track record over a very long career is nothing special. A lifetime .500 coach. And Rutgers is stuck with him for the foreseeable future.
 
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Let's give credit where credit is due. Schiano does have charisma. He looks like a coach. He talks like a coach. He walks like a coach. But that is where it ends. Beyond appearance, there is a rigid, stubborn middle aged guy who always plays not to to lose rather than to win, who seems impervious to modern college football, and whose track record over a very long career is nothing special. A lifetime .500 coach. And Rutgers is stuck with him for the foreseeable future.
spot on. you’re one of the few who realizes those truths (except the charisma part). I don’t see it. I see an idiot.

And you forgot ‘smells and tastes like a coach’. Fieldhouse Al of La Mancha sniffs and licks the Schiano’s trash and noted this.
 
Let's give credit where credit is due. Schiano does have charisma. He looks like a coach. He talks like a coach. He walks like a coach. But that is where it ends. Beyond appearance, there is a rigid, stubborn middle aged guy who always plays not to to lose rather than to win, who seems impervious to modern college football, and whose track record over a very long career is nothing special. A lifetime .500 coach. And Rutgers is stuck with him for the foreseeable future.
Schiano has charisma? I can't see it. He strikes me as a guy who for whatever reason has lost the fire he had in his belly.
 
Schiano has charisma? I can't see it. He strikes me as a guy who for whatever reason has lost the fire he had in his belly.
You see it when you see that we are competitive with most everyone. The kids are working harder than ever. Only time we were really outclassed was the Wisconsin and USC Games. And that too due to injury. The rest of our losses were very competitive.

Nebraska 14-7
UCLA 35-32
Illinois 38-31

This is our most competitive season in the Big Ten by far.
 
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You see it when you see that we are competitive with most everyone. The kids are working harder than ever. Only time we were really outclassed was the Wisconsin and USC Games. And that too due to injury. The rest of our losses were very competitive.

Nebraska 14-7
UCLA 35-32
Illinois 38-31

This is our most competitive season in the Big Ten by far.
True but it was by far our easiest schedule
 
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This is an important article. Payments to athletes is going to change significantly once the NCAA settlement agreement is reached.

I hope that settlement the leads to meaningful regulation of boosters and how/when private money flows to the student athletes.

Unless there is “meaningful regulation of boosters and how/when private money flow to the” Athletic Departments then you pissing into the wind.

It’s back to 2 years ago where we still couldn’t compete with OSU and PSU in support.
 
These figures came up last month and my take is here. The NIL numbers are estimated using the formula: NIL = 16.4% * (ticket sales + donations).

The biggest problem is Rutgers football can't sell tickets or get donations like the rest of the B1G. Here are the 2023 football ticket sales and donations.

1 Ohio State $131,191,670
2 Michigan $107,797,710
3 Nebraska $99,013,650
4 Penn State $88,700,984
5 Wisconsin $84,598,378
6 Iowa $72,550,274
7 Michigan State $72,440,638
8 Washington $66,299,901
9 Oregon $64,694,038
10 Illinois $54,905,001
11 Minnesota $46,304,695
12 Indiana $44,093,470
13 Purdue $41,399,757
14 UCLA $35,797,708
15 Maryland $22,347,505
16 Rutgers $20,968,792

Source: NCAA Membership Financial Report System

This deserves its own thread.
All this consternation over NIL is beyond overblown.

Ban NIL tomorrow.
We are still working with over $100m less than OSU every year.
 
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This deserves its own thread.
All this consternation over NIL is beyond overblown.

Ban NIL tomorrow.
We are still working with over $100m less than OSU every year.
Pay from the schools will still be capped and if you’re in the P2 the extra revenue you get vs the other conferences is an advantage.

NIL is unlimited now and if anything we’re seeing more parity than ever before. With schools being able to pay players that’ll probably be a little more of a push in that direction.
 
This deserves its own thread.
All this consternation over NIL is beyond overblown.

Ban NIL tomorrow.
We are still working with over $100m less than OSU every year.

OK. But NIL explains Indiana and the success of the non-legacy teams like Colorado.

The fact we are dead last but playing for 6th in the conference tells me we're actually overperforming.

The chances of beating OSU for everyone in this conference (just ask Cult) will always be low...but I think NIL is def a piece of being a top half team (which I think is a fair objective). If we want to be a top 1/3 team, which is within the realm of reality IMO, we have to step up in big way.
 
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OK. But NIL explains Indiana and the success of the non-legacy teams like Colorado.

The fact we are dead last but playing for 6th in the conference tells me we're actually overperforming.

The chances of beating OSU for everyone in this conference (just ask Cult) will always be low...but I think NIL is def a piece of being a top half team (which I think is a fair objective). If we want to be a top 1/3 team, which is within the realm of reality IMO, we have to step up in big way.

I should have been clearer.

People who think NIL is causing some great inequality are foolish.
There was already a grest inequality.

Correct. NIL actually has the opportunity to level the playing field because there are no institutional barriers for any school.

If they wanted an actual level playing field in college athletics (which they dont) then look at media revenue or AD donor funds.
Both of which cause a much bigger uneven playing field.
 
I should have been clearer.

People who think NIL is causing some great inequality are foolish.
There was already a grest inequality.

Correct. NIL actually has the opportunity to level the playing field because there are no institutional barriers for any school.

If they wanted an actual level playing field in college athletics (which they dont) then look at media revenue or AD donor funds.
Both of which cause a much bigger uneven playing field.

It relates to the inequity between Indiana and non-OSU/Oregon/Cult teams this year. But yeah, does it relate to the fact that OSU or Oregon is going to win the B1G 9/10 times? No.

At the end of the day, I guess the question is, do we want RU overperforming to the tune it currently is, or to the tune of being an Iowa?
 
NIL $s are important, but not nearly as important as building a new Fieldhouse. I always hear from a knowledgeable poster on this site that we lose a lot of recruits because we don't have a new Fieldhouse.
RutgersAl has a lot of detractors on this website, and a new Fieldhouse would not have helped the outcome in last week’s game, but, transfer$ and incoming “$tudent” athlete$ pay very clo$e attention to facilitie$.
 
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