Ash absolutely buries Flood regime
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Sometime u have to call your team out in public, so we can agree to disagree on this point. Only time will tell if he is doing the right thing, I think he is just raising bar.
i wonder if privately asked, how many coaching staffs from last season would state the same as what Coach Ash said? Is there any doubt in anybodies mind, at this point, a change had to be made? I can picture them in the film room saying some pretty derogatory stuff about what they were seeing on tape from a B1G team.
Agree...yet some of our fanbase is so mom and pop they resist change and rally around meaningless comebacks to Indiana...games like that mean zippo when the team cowers when faced in adversity against the big boys. Those who focus on a one game comeback while a crapfest is going on the rest of the year totally don't get and apparently don't get Ash. Keep living in your low expectations and small time world and getting panties wadded over a guy who coached at a championship program saying something truthful about the program. The cultural change cannot come soon enough
No doubt there is a percentage of the fan base that hates change for a variety of reasons.
Did Steve Longa quit? Did Leonte Carroo quit? Did Paul James quit? Sorry but rookie mistake and misjudgment by Coach. We have a zillion issues but quitting wasn't/isn't one of them.
Exactly. Last time I checked Ash is undefeated, when is the last time we had an undefeated coach, nuff said.
Think about what Ash said:
"...what I saw on film was a team that quit. When they were faced with adversity, they quit. That tells you there’s a problem. There’s a problem with the way they were trained, there’s a problem with the way they behaved, what they believe."
Now recall all the times when:
I dunno about you, but to me Kyle Flood indisputably quit quite a few of games and this was reflected in the play-calling. If you're a player and the coach tells you to fall on your sword like that, I honestly wouldn't blame a guy for giving up on plays. The lack of integrity is the direct result of the coach's defeatist attitude.
"...what I saw on film was a team that quit. When they were faced with adversity, they quit. That tells you there’s a problem. There’s a problem with the way they were trained, there’s a problem with the way they behaved, what they believe."
Now recall all the times when:
- We would rather take a knee and go to the locker room than try to hurry up and score to end a half.
- We would go for a FG when down multiple TDs late in a game rather than be aggressive and go for 6.
- We would punt on 4th and short inside the opponent's 40.
- We would keep a struggling Laviano in instead of giving the back-up a shot (presumably to keep the score under 100).
I dunno about you, but to me Kyle Flood indisputably quit quite a few of games and this was reflected in the play-calling. If you're a player and the coach tells you to fall on your sword like that, I honestly wouldn't blame a guy for giving up on plays. The lack of integrity is the direct result of the coach's defeatist attitude.
He was not calling out individual players, but there were games where once things started to go bad, a lot of the fight left the team.
I still give the team credit for not quitting against Maryland and Indiana, I don't care how good or bad they were. Very few things are absolute.
OK, so those 3 didn't quit. You have 102 other players on the roster.
Wouldn't worry too much about it. GUnit seems to be an "Agenda" type poster who comes out to take as many shots against Ash as possible.
Great post. These are all indicative of a team that has quit, whether it be the coaches' decision to quit or the players'.
I saw a lot of games last year where that lunatic Rossi was screaming at players, abusing his staff, and even (in one instance) flinging Gatorade on the waterboy. If I had to work for that idiot, I would have quit too. I know Ash is going to work these boys hard, but hopefully in the end there will be mutual respect.
This article ruffled some feathers of some of our fans, I'm sure some people within the athletic department, probably some parents of kids on the team etc.
It's a double edged sword and statements like this aren't really necessary. Ash is so far beyond what we had with Flood that he didn't need to say anything. He needs to learn to let his actions speak for him and to let the play on the field speak to the fans.
I do know that there are a handful of fans that view this as a red flag of sorts....what is going to happen during a potential 3 game losing streak of hosting Iowa, going to Ohio State and hosting Michigan??
The more important question is RU was non-competitive in a LOT of conference games. The first step I've mentioned that shows improvement is margin of defeat.....some fans call this a "defeatist attitude", but if you are a 27 point underdog at Ohio State and lose by 17, that speaks to improving the product.
If you are hosting Michigan and you are a 11 point underdog, stay within 7 or 4 of Michigan....compete and make games competitive. You can essentially have the same record of what you may have had with Flood at 6-6 this year and have a completely different feel for the direction of the program, if you show fight and toughness vs the better teams, vs caving in and just running the ball when you get down by 21 points.
I think the spread offense is the ultimate difference in that RU will always appear that they are attacking the defense, regardless of the score, because the offense is designed to do so. Ash has to prove to RU fans that he can get a defensive effort that sets the tone for the rest of the roster. That is essentially why he is earning 2M a year. Culture change is fine....cutting down the margin of defeat and how many points you give up, is another.
RU will be fine and much improved this year because of the offense has changed, we have a better defensive staff....we should be 14 points better per game vs last year to this year. That should add a couple of wins and cut down on the horrific margins of defeat.
It's a double edged sword and statements like this aren't really necessary. Ash is so far beyond what we had with Flood that he didn't need to say anything. He needs to learn to let his actions speak for him and to let the play on the field speak to the fans.
I do know that there are a handful of fans that view this as a red flag of sorts....what is going to happen during a potential 3 game losing streak of hosting Iowa, going to Ohio State and hosting Michigan??
The more important question is RU was non-competitive in a LOT of conference games. The first step I've mentioned that shows improvement is margin of defeat.....some fans call this a "defeatist attitude", but if you are a 27 point underdog at Ohio State and lose by 17, that speaks to improving the product.
If you are hosting Michigan and you are a 11 point underdog, stay within 7 or 4 of Michigan....compete and make games competitive. You can essentially have the same record of what you may have had with Flood at 6-6 this year and have a completely different feel for the direction of the program, if you show fight and toughness vs the better teams, vs caving in and just running the ball when you get down by 21 points.
I think the spread offense is the ultimate difference in that RU will always appear that they are attacking the defense, regardless of the score, because the offense is designed to do so. Ash has to prove to RU fans that he can get a defensive effort that sets the tone for the rest of the roster. That is essentially why he is earning 2M a year. Culture change is fine....cutting down the margin of defeat and how many points you give up, is another.
RU will be fine and much improved this year because of the offense has changed, we have a better defensive staff....we should be 14 points better per game vs last year to this year. That should add a couple of wins and cut down on the horrific margins of defeat.
Kyle Flood was the biggest joke of all time. I am so happy Ash is calling him out for being the loser that he was. Have a nice day.
Hawk: There's a difference between playing to keep the margin of defeat respectable and going for the win.
You see that type of junk in soccer all the time: Coaches park the bus in front of the net and hope to catch the opponent on transition. Meanwhile, the other team has 90% possession and has quadruple the amount of shots on goal.
While they may lose by "only" a goal or two, players and fans alike know which team was going for the win and which was just trying to keep it close. To me, playing not to lose is the epitome of a defeatist attitude.
I find myself agreeing with the majority your posts/points. Just not this one.
You see that type of junk in soccer all the time: Coaches park the bus in front of the net and hope to catch the opponent on transition. Meanwhile, the other team has 90% possession and has quadruple the amount of shots on goal.
While they may lose by "only" a goal or two, players and fans alike know which team was going for the win and which was just trying to keep it close. To me, playing not to lose is the epitome of a defeatist attitude.
I find myself agreeing with the majority your posts/points. Just not this one.
I was calling for Flood to be gone after the disappointing end to the 2012 season.
All that talent and total fiasco by Flood and staff.
Was shouted down by many on this board on that. And after countless Recruiting Classes absent of NJ talent.
No Agenda at all. Dont think players quit. Thinks comments were not true at all. Think talent level was the huge difference. Games against Maryland Indiana WSU and MSU were evidence did not quit. No reason to bash Flood now. I dont recall Schiano ever publicly bashing Shea. Fact that this thread is so long confirms probably not a smart thing to say. And I think the title is the person with the agenda imo.
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He said team not individual players. This is the overall scheme and the way we played which he is criticizing not any individual players. I didn't see him say names anywhere in the article, where did you find them? Also if you don't think he discussed this with the team before going to the media then you don't know much about team sports.A coach is simply not going to say something to the media without discussing it with his team 1st.
Maybe he's just trying to get each player to question themselves if they gave 100% every play every game. I had a coach who would do this very cleverly after each game and it made you critique your performance. You always came back with the same answer I could have done better and need to work harder. You really think he's going behind his teams back and throwing them under the bus? You can't be this obtuse.
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Ash knows exactly what he is doing. I'm over 50. This wouldn't work on me. I'm too numb, and just want to stay off the canvas, and collect my purse.
These young guys will eat this up, and will flourish. Look at the difference in the weight room already. I'm not talking about the 1 million $$$$. Will be fun to watch.
Ash knows exactly what he is doing. I'm over 50. This wouldn't work on me. I'm too numb, and just want to stay off the canvas, and collect my purse.
These young guys will eat this up, and will flourish. Look at the difference in the weight room already. I'm not talking about the 1 million $$$$. Will be fun to watch.
I'm really getting eager for the first 2017 commit under Ash.....it could come any day now, really......because I can't imagine someone being sold on Ash based on what they've seen and heard.....and then committing.....and then decommitting. It's just not going to happen that way this time. The early commits are going to be welcomed as much as the rules allow.....whether it's watching practices or whatever.
I love Ash but im not buying that narrative for one second. We may have sucked at times and were ill-prepared but we were never a bunch of quitters. Teams that "quit in the face of adversity" usually dont stage epic comebacks on the road after everyone has shut off the TV already.
Obtuse? Reading comprehension much? The need for 100 % effort and to strive to improve is a hecka of alot different then they quit. That's simply not what is quoted. It wasn't a great quote or more importantly, accurate. Our comeback wins have showed our players did not quit on Flood. No need to rip Flood either. Lot's of RU fans in this thread thought the same. It's a message board. There is room for disagreement.
Says the douche that has been talking crap about Ash since day 1.
He said the team quit and they did. Time to enter reality fancy boy.
I don't mind him making the statement only because he said "team". He didn't call out anyone specifically in public. If I am a player that gave my all- Ash would know who I am and I would not be offended by his comment. It makes each player look deep into themselves.
It's a regular occourrance in the world of high level athletics to individually play as hard as you can yet have no belief you can win, no belief in your leadership and no belief in the system.
It happens all the time, and it happened here.
It's the same thing as collectively quitting.
Those comebacks occurred despite Flood, not because of him.
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...as someone who appreciated the comeback wins as much as the next guy, why were we down so big to teams that were on our level? Also, was PSU really THAT good last year, or did we just go into a shell? What about Nebraska last year? What about the '15 Maryland game where we threw it into neutral and displayed all of the fire and passion of a slug on NyQuill as the Terps...the 2-9 Terps...had their highlight win in our own building at our expense?
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Joe P.
IMHO it is more than just resisting change. I'm not particularly crazy about change myself, but Flood needed to go, I truly don't understand those that still support Flood. I supported Flood up until our secondary was arrested, after which it became pretty obvious he didn't have control of the team, and as a head coach he needs to have control. All of the other stuff that has come to light after his firing, made it pretty obvious he was much worse than most of us realized.
One thing that Ash HASN'T said yet that somewhat surprises me is "based on the formation that the offense lined up in, I always knew what play was coming." A few Nebraska defensive players had that feedback following our game with them this past fall.
Who? A few here, a few there, sure, but that's it. He called it like he saw it, and he's right, plain and simple, Flood destroyed this program, it's NOT the kids fault, Ash simply tells it like it is when asked questions and fans questioning that are probably the same fans that thought Flood was a "great guy" lol...sorry buddy can't agree with this "handful" of fans and, honestly, nobody should care. It's what this program needs right now I think you might agree?
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I'd like to congratulate Hobbs on a great hire. He has been a homerun to date.
Really big fan of Hobbs. I recently heard some information that made it very clear we got a massive, massive upgrade in the AD dept.
Really big fan of Hobbs. I recently heard some information that made it very clear we got a massive, massive upgrade in the AD dept.
Cmon Cali. There has to be a little more meat on that bone. What did you hear?
Easy to criticize when things go bad....Ash is most likely going to be dealing with a losing/struggling team this year - I wonder if his comments will be the same 1 year from now about Flood's last year.
I think YB said it best here. There were definitely some good moments from Flood's time here (2014 season was cool in a lot of ways, first half of 2012, keeping the '12 class together, netting some solid players in later classes) but it never seemed to be building to anything good over the long term and there were obvious signs of decay. I also don't see how Coach Ash is "burying" Flood publicly and also don't get why some people are getting so bent out of shape over what Coach Ash said.
Joe P.
There was just too much negative news from the program last year, on and off the field. The only way Ash is going to be able to sell the program to recruits is by reinforcing the message that everything is changing.
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