Plus, he apparently doesn't know the difference between the trustees and the governors.
Ash doesn't look like the answer
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People who think a coach can magically turn a program around in a year without any of their players. [roll]
Disturbing how clueless some fans are.
All that doesn't mean a dam thing. What I do know is this, Barchi and Hobbs sucker punched its fanbase (all of us) with this hire. Some like me are voicing their discontent others who suffer from the Battered Fan Syndrome like yourself sit back and accept the status quo.
Not "accepting" anything. Just realize what the reality is. No talent. None. Zero.
I can't understand why you would create post after post, bragging about your own ignorance in this arena. It's like Trump asking for a fourth debate.
I bet colorado had idiots who were judging a hc after a year or two as well
They have the first half way decent season in almost 25 years and people use this team and coach as a bench mark to give Ash 5 years to turn this program around.
Agreed. It's most likely that Nova-douche NCAABallz, who is known to have dozens of usernames with typically a few to a few dozen posts, so he can troll us.
He deserves 4 years, as done any new hire at head coach. Tell me..you think a coach will come to a school in rebuild mode after firing an up and coming coach after 2-3 years? If you can't understand why that's a bad move, you don't understand how college football works. We might as well shut down the football program in that case because not one coach worth half a steaming pile of shit would come to a school like that.
First year coaches at schools without much talent should always be given time to prove themselves.
Even the second year that HC needs to be given slack.
By the end of third year the should he stay or should he go answer will be obvious.
People have to relax. There is no talent on this team. Continue to stay positive. Realize there is no playmakers on this team and hope Ash can recruit his heart out. Next yr at least there will be some playmakers on offense. Pray Lewis and Melton stick and that Ash can get a few more pieces.
I just have a bad feeling that he doesn't have the experience to improve the program. Allow me to respectfully tell you why. Our program always ran a pro set offense. Knowing full well that the kids on the roster were not physically equipped to run the power spread, he forged ahead a completely demoralized the kids and made a mockery of the entire program. A good friend who is a HS coach and an Ash supporter staunchly disagreed with coach Ash's approach. I guess my concern is that we could conceivably give him 4 years and we will in a worse position. I'm not the only one here who feels that way. At yesterday's game both Penn State and Rutgers fans were perplexed at what the f$&k we were doing on offense. I have no issue with a first year coach losing games. It's the way we are losing that has me thinking that our worst days are still ahead of us.
I can't stand for what I'm hearing. Give him time then judge. This program will be completely revamped. Same people complaining will be on the bandwagon. Yea I know we've been patient for so long but it's just the first year.
I think his thought is he knows this yr is a toss. He knows that even though we may get a win or two more it is more important for the future to install his systems and by next year they will have a few yr of it under his belt. It is risky because the results speak for themselves and fans and recruits want viable results now.
Absolutely Hatter!
We don't have enough of a body of work to assess the staff and that's a fact. Any new hire for a rebuilding process needs four years to get his players in and his systems established. It surprises me a bit that Flood, handed arguably the best roster and recruiting class in program history was given four years by the same fan base that's now calling for the head of the guy picking up the pieces.
The other thing many never realize is that they are making judgements without even a currently complete knowledge of the facts. Case in point is Cioffi. Folks were on him about his game performance and when he came out of the game a few weeks ago were saying he should have been benched sooner. Turns out the guy's been playing hurt all year. We don't know who's playing despite injury that would, on a team with some depth, give him a chance to sit for a few weeks and recover. Going into the bye week, Ash said the linebackers were all playing hurt because there was nobody else to put in.
Nobody considers injuries. Plenty of guys have been playing hurt and we don't know who is.
I think asking if Ash is the question is real relevant and really has nothing to do with what Flood was handed or what Flood left or who is hurt. It has everything to do with how much better the same kids play under Ash than Flood - only few have improved their game in my opinion. It has to do with how well Ash sells the program to recruits - looks ok but on shakey ground lately with two big decommitts. And it has to do with how well Ash can sell the program to the fans - not much excitement right now. Attendance was real poor this year.
There is nothing wrong with optimism but you have to be concerned at this point.
Mockery, that is indeed the word. Obviously, it was not his intent but that is the outcome. The RU team looks like a bad high school team and that is on the coaches not the players who are simply not that bad. And for those who say running these idiotic schemes game after game is necessary to rebuild, well, that makes as much sense as the politicians who say after a bad hurricane that the storm had a silver lining because rebuilding will stimulate the economy. Destruction is never a good thing.
I understand that people are concerned. It's only natural. Folks don't see immediate game day results-oriented improvement, and begin to get buyer's remorse, wondering if the choice was bad, and all the things that go along with that- four more years wasted, the program sinking further, and so forth. I get it.
That said, Ash is starting from scratch. He scrapped everything and started over, and he said right out of the gate we won't see on the field results right away. So in order to make an informed assessment, he has to be given the time to get his plan implemented and his own players in. Then we will know if the plan was implemented well or not- three or four years in. That's the way college football works. Always has.
Regarding the fan base and the snap judgments, it has everything to do with who is hurt, because as fans all the folks here are making their assessments on is what they see on the field, and they are making those judgments based on incomplete information or ignoring available information. There have been a ton of injuries, guys are playing hurt that the fans don't know anything about- they just decide that either a) the player sucks, or b) the coaches suck, or c) some combination of the two.
None of us has any idea what we don't know. There's lots of stuff that's just not said to the press or told to the fans. It's true of any program. So the rush to judgment either for or against, is just not warranted until the staff has had the time to get their systems in and at least three classes of their own recruits in to demonstrate some results.
Two solid posts representing both sides of the issue.
I feel like I'm in the middle as well, but I get pushed to arguing one side or the other when I see crazy posts. Does every thread have to tell me Saban couldn't win with this team, or random Hall of Fame quarterback couldn't win with our coaching?
Yes, let's bring back Schiano because no first year head coaches with results like this could possibly be any good.
2001 2-9. Some representative scores.
Miami 61-0
VA Tech 50-0
WVU 8O -7
PITT 42-0.
Look at PJ Fleck at Western Michigan. How was his first year? Have some historical perspective, take a deep breath and let's see what happens. See you all in Maryland this Saturday . Or are you not going? Then I will read your posts about the game from your comfy chairs.
2001 2-9. Some representative scores.
Miami 61-0
VA Tech 50-0
WVU 8O -7
PITT 42-0.
Look at PJ Fleck at Western Michigan. How was his first year? Have some historical perspective, take a deep breath and let's see what happens. See you all in Maryland this Saturday . Or are you not going? Then I will read your posts about the game from your comfy chairs.
We don't have Janarion Grant. He was absolutely critical to this offense. Nova was a knucklehead but had a big arm. And Carroo is in the NFL.
Guess what?
OSU, UM, & PSU have 10 Janarion Grants. Nova would likely have ridden pine for 4 years. And each of those teams has a Carroo-clone or a similar game breaker AND an understudy behind him.
This game is about match-ups.
This year we brought an apple to a gun fight.
Guess what?
OSU, UM, & PSU have 10 Janarion Grants. Nova would likely have ridden pine for 4 years. And each of those teams has a Carroo-clone or a similar game breaker AND an understudy behind him.
This game is about match-ups.
This year we brought an apple to a gun fight.
A good troll identifies a hot button issue and exploits it.
But I dream of a day when all my fellow message boarders here learn to, momentarily, put aside their unhappiness with the program and humiliate the trolls en-masse. Then we can all get right back to bashing our own program. :)
Pro-set. LOL
Because this offense would've looked magically better if they just played a pro-set offense. All of sudden, WRs would get open because pro-set. All of sudden, the OL would stop being a turnstile because pro-set. All of sudden, the defense would stop the run, because pro-set.
How good did we look last year when Carroo was out? And that was your beloved pro-set offense.
But you would dismiss a first year coach that has a monumental rebuild job in his first season. That's consistent thinking.
Actually, the Shea years and the beginning of Schiano were equally as bad. This is on Flood, not Ash. Ash hasn't even been here a full year yet. Need to give him a chance to recruit before you fully evaluate him and his staff. Does the staff need to show improvement? Absolutely, year two must show some improvement, not necessarily in number of wins, but competitiveness, game management, play calling, etc.
Agreed but for one point. A fair number of the most rabid whiners will not be on the band-wagon. History has shown that many just disappear and stop posting altogether. They only post when things are bad.
Halfway decent? They're top 10 and in the driver's seat to win the Pac South.
25 years? They went to the Fiesta Bowl in 2002 and several other bowls since.
Facts are helpful, but you need to use them right.
Just need someone to call Ash a lame duck coach, or something.
we are a power spread team now. should he wait until the recruits get here to switch? Should he hop they believe that's what we will be? You make it like we scored in bunches with a pro set. Who is your FB? Your TE? your down the field threat? Laviano your QB?
Maybe in MacIntyre's second year:
2013 Colorado 4–8 1–8
2014 Colorado 2–10 0–9
2015 Colorado 4–9 1–8
2016 Colorado 9–2 7–1
Just like Terry Shea, he was hired from San Jose State. This was his record then:
2010 San Jose State 1–12 0–8 9th
2011 San Jose State 5–7 3–4 T–4th
2012 San Jose State 10–2 5–1
Bottom line: Relax people. Give Ash time. If he doesn't work out, we find someone else. The sun will still rise and set everyday.
I figured I would repost this. The 80-7 score is included along with the other blowout losses. Two wins were against Buffalo and Navy. People have a very short memory.
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