Ash on recruiting

[Scarlet_Scourge]

http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...ruiting-strategy/77717580/?platform=hootsuite

In his first round of recruiting contact as Rutgers football coach, Chris Ash cast a wide net and chased some big fish.

“I’ve called as many kids as I could possibly call in the state of New Jersey who I think have a chance to make a difference at Rutgers,” Ash told Gannett New Jersey. “They’ve all been positive. Will we get them? I don’t know.

“Until we get a full staff together in January and get in schools and get in homes and start to build some face time and relationships with these guys, only time will tell where it goes.”

 

[Knight Shift]

I posted the same article 5 minutes after you post. I took mine down. Some more interesting quotes:

I like that he is setting expectations, and not worried about getting every 4 and 5 star recruit.


“As I got ready to hopefully get an opportunity, I was looking at a lot of different scenarios,” Ash said. “If I was here, if I was here, if I was here, how could I make it all fit? This was a different deal. Rutgers wasn’t really on my radar screen, but it worked out. I’m here and I want to make sure that it fits for Rutgers and the state of New Jersey and what I want to get done.”

“With where we’re at at Rutgers, let’s be real: Are we going to go out and land every four- and five-star player on the East Coast? No,” Ash said. “So we have to invest in the ones that we can get. Invest in their full potential. Everyone gets caught up in four- and five-star recruits.

“Yeah, I would love to have them all. But how many two- and three-stars are on NFL rosters? They’re all over the place. Why? They’ve been developed. We need to become a developmental program. We are going to develop the players to reach their full potential.”

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

This speaks exactly to my issues with the last regime. You do not need to be an ace recruiter in college football. The most important thing, by far, is to develop the talent you have. And the funny thing is, that if you show you can develop the talent you have, the big time prospects will be playing for you in short order.

I have no idea what some of these kids were thinking when they committed to RU in the past. I was happy to have them, but any objective person could see they probably weren't making the best decision for themselves. I am extremely hopeful that will change. I want to look at the way our team is run and see an organized football program.

 

[Machiavelli23]

Nice!!!

 

[Yeah Baby]

This speaks exactly to my issues with the last regime. You do not need to be an ace recruiter in college football. The most important thing, by far, is to develop the talent you have. And the funny thing is, that if you show you can develop the talent you have, the big time prospects will be playing for you in short order.

I have no idea what some of these kids were thinking when they committed to RU in the past. I was happy to have them, but any objective person could see they probably weren't making the best decision for themselves. I am extremely hopeful that will change. I want to look at the way our team is run and see an organized football program.

Not sure what you mean here. RU has done a tremendous job the last 10 years putting 2 and 3 star players in the NFL via personal development. We can say a lot of things about the past regimes but this is clearly not one of them. Just look at the New England Pats roster.

 

[srru86]

You do not need to be an ace recruiter in college football.

Maybe not but you better be a pretty good talent evaluator, and good at closing the deal.

The most important thing, by far, is to develop the talent you have.

Sure it is important, very much so. But the most important, by far? Not so sure. You need some raw talent and athleticism to start with that can't be taught.

 

[Machiavelli23]

Not sure what you mean here. RU has done a tremendous job the last 10 years putting 2 and 3 star players in the NFL via personal development. We can say a lot of things about the past regimes but this is clearly not one of them. Just look at the New England Pats roster.

Yea our team has done its part. Look at what the McCourtys were rated out of HS.

 

[RUChoppin]

Not sure what you mean here. RU has done a tremendous job the last 10 years putting 2 and 3 star players in the NFL via personal development. We can say a lot of things about the past regimes but this is clearly not one of them. Just look at the New England Pats roster.

The "last regime" didn't produce anyone on the Patriots' roster. McCourty and Freeny had graduated before Flood took over, and Harmon and Ryan were developed under Schiano and spent just one season with Flood (Ryan left early, and Harmon saw his production plateau (or dip slightly) as a senior).

Schiano did a good job of identifying players and coaching them up, especially on defense. Flood and Co. not as much.

Kroft saw a decline in production before leaving early. Coleman was a Schiano recruit, but saw a decline in production from 2012 to 2013 before leaving early and going undrafted. Burton is probably Flood's best success story, but he came in as a walk on FB under Schiano and was on the team two years before Flood took over, too.

 

[jonS]

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I posted the same article 5 minutes after you post. I took mine down. Some more interesting quotes:

I like that he is setting expectations, and not worried about getting every 4 and 5 star recruit.


“As I got ready to hopefully get an opportunity, I was looking at a lot of different scenarios,” Ash said. “If I was here, if I was here, if I was here, how could I make it all fit? This was a different deal. Rutgers wasn’t really on my radar screen, but it worked out. I’m here and I want to make sure that it fits for Rutgers and the state of New Jersey and what I want to get done.”

“With where we’re at at Rutgers, let’s be real: Are we going to go out and land every four- and five-star player on the East Coast? No,” Ash said. “So we have to invest in the ones that we can get. Invest in their full potential. Everyone gets caught up in four- and five-star recruits.

“Yeah, I would love to have them all. But how many two- and three-stars are on NFL rosters? They’re all over the place. Why? They’ve been developed. We need to become a developmental program. We are going to develop the players to reach their full potential.”

I really like Ash's honesty about the recruiting situation. He's a realist and managing expectations . He's the genuine thing.......

 

[Chris95]

Please, please coach, go hard after these 4 and 5 * recruits, these tend to be difference makers in your program. We've been down the road of trying to "develop" lesser talent. Not where we need to be. We need a coach that can get his fair share of high level recruits, or we will never compete in the B1G. Don't need a flood 2.0

 

[RUtrumpet92]

Please, please coach, go hard after these 4 and 5 * recruits, these tend to be difference makers in your program.

Read the non-bolded part of the quote again. He admits we will not get all of the 4 and 5* recruits, so invest in the ones you CAN get. I think that means trying to identify which of those guys might seriously consider us and pursue those guys, while expecting the bulk of the classes to be 3* guys that we can develop into 4* college players.

 

[rutgersdave]

Read the non-bolded part of the quote again. He admits we will not get all of the 4 and 5* recruits, so invest in the ones you CAN get. I think that means trying to identify which of those guys might seriously consider us and pursue those guys, while expecting the bulk of the classes to be 3* guys that we can develop into 4* college players.

I will be comfortable with 2-3-4 4 star recruits or even all 3 stars recruits. Flood had way too many 2 star projects and almost no 4 star recruits. There are too many 3 star recruits out there to accept too many 2 stars. Maryland and Pittsburgh this year will get 3-5 4 star recruits and I hope we get that next year.

 

[mdk01]

Coleman was a Schiano recruit, but saw a decline in production from 2012 to 2013 before leaving early and going undrafted.

Think ACL surgery and playing his last season while recovering had something to do with that?

 

[ScarletCrimson]

Look forward to seeing what the new approach yields.

 

[theRU]

Who would we give credit to flood for developing? Carroo?

 

[RUJMM78]

Rutgers must show progress in getting NJ recruits ranked in the top 10 .They are the difference makers which successful teams have in abundance.

 

[RUChoppin]

Think ACL surgery and playing his last season while recovering had something to do with that?

Absolutely - but he also left early, rather than spend another season with the program bouncing back. He left after a bad year to go undrafted, rather than return to the team. Hard to call him a "player development success" under Flood.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

Who would we give credit to flood for developing? Carroo?

Penn State?

 

[mdk01]

Absolutely - but he also left early, rather than spend another season with the program bouncing back. He left after a bad year to go undrafted, rather than return to the team. Hard to call him a "player development success" under Flood.

But he was projected to go in the 3rd or 4th rd.. I wasn't pointing to him as a "player development success". Rather, I was suggesting the reason for his subpar final year at RU, referred to in the post I was responding to, was something other than Kyle Flood.

It's getting to the point around here that I'm waiting for the post the holds Flood responsible for Superstorm Sandy. There are many things to criticize, but neither Coleman nor Sandy is one of them.

 

[RUChoppin]

But he was projected to go in the 3rd or 4th rd.. I wasn't pointing to him as a "player development success". Rather, I was suggesting the reason for his subpar final year at RU, referred to in the post I was responding to, was something other than Kyle Flood.

It's getting to the point around here that I'm waiting for the post the holds Flood responsible for Superstorm Sandy. There are many things to criticize, but neither Coleman nor Sandy is one of them.

Except he never got another draft grade his junior year, which wasn't a great decision on his part (or those guiding/mentoring/coaching him).

My post was in response to the prior regime putting so many guys in the NFL - I disagreed with that. Schiano put a lot of guys in the NFL, Flood not so much. The only ones that spent more than a year with the Flood staff that are in the NFL are Kroft (left early, drafted), Coleman (left early, undrafted), Burton (graduated, drafted). The first two weren't showing improvement on the way out (granted, Coleman was injured - but he chose to try his luck in the NFL rather than spend another year developing in the program).

Flood's NFL successes haven't really gotten to the league yet - guys like Carroo, Longa, Hamilton, Gause, Turay and Lumpkin. That story is still to be written.

 

[RUSK97]

[QUOTE="Flood's NFL successes haven't really gotten to the league yet - guys like Carroo, Longa, Hamilton, Gause, Turay and Lumpkin. That story is still to be written.[/QUOTE]

Can even these guys truly be considered Flood's recruits? Sure, they played under Flood, but their identification and recruitment started under Schiano. I'd argue of the bunch you listed, only Turay is truly a Flood guy.

 

[RUChoppin]

[QUOTE="Flood's NFL successes haven't really gotten to the league yet - guys like Carroo, Longa, Hamilton, Gause, Turay and Lumpkin. That story is still to be written.

Can even these guys truly be considered Flood's recruits? Sure, they played under Flood, but their identification and recruitment started under Schiano. I'd argue of the bunch you listed, only Turay is truly a Flood guy.[/QUOTE]
I was specifically speaking to personal development, not recruiting. How well a guy improved while he was in the program. The guys I listed definitely fall under Flood in that category.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Please, please coach, go hard after these 4 and 5 * recruits, these tend to be difference makers in your program. We've been down the road of trying to "develop" lesser talent. Not where we need to be. We need a coach that can get his fair share of high level recruits, or we will never compete in the B1G. Don't need a flood 2.0

I think it's safe to say that he is:

"In his first round of recruiting contact as Rutgers football coach, Chris Ash cast a wide net and chased some big fish.

“I’ve called as many kids as I could possibly call in the state of New Jersey who I think have a chance to make a difference at Rutgers,” Ash told Gannett New Jersey. “They’ve all been positive. Will we get them? I don’t know."

 

[chase07470]

It's interesting the way CAsh is not in any way shape or form, creating excitement for what the product will be. Compare it what Babers is saying:

Dino Babers:
"Visualize this," Babers said. "You're in the Carrier Dome. Your house is filled. The feeling is electric. The noise is deafening. You have a defense that's relentless. You have a special teams that has been well-coached. You have an offense that will not huddle. And you have a game that's faster than you've ever seen on turf. Open your eyes. That's going to be a reality. That's going to be Syracuse football."

"I really believe that we are going to start something that people are going to be talking about for a long, long time," Babers said.

Now Ash:
“With where we’re at at Rutgers, let’s be real: Are we going to go out and land every four- and five-star player on the East Coast? No,” Ash said. “So we have to invest in the ones that we can get. Invest in their full potential. Everyone gets caught up in four- and five-star recruits.

“Yeah, I would love to have them all. But how many two- and three-stars are on NFL rosters? They’re all over the place. Why? They’ve been developed. We need to become a developmental program. We are going to develop the players to reach their full potential.”

Hmmmm. I'm all for speak softly and let your results do the talking but then, I don't recruit football players for a living.

 

[RUaMoose]

Rutgers must show progress in getting NJ recruits ranked in the top 10 .They are the difference makers which successful teams have in abundance.

Going back to Graber, Ive always felt we should get three of the top 10 in NJ every year. I don't think that's unreasonable.

 

[RUInsanity]

It's interesting the way CAsh is not in any way shape or form, creating excitement for what the product will be. Compare it what Babers is saying:

Dino Babers:
"Visualize this," Babers said. "You're in the Carrier Dome. Your house is filled. The feeling is electric. The noise is deafening. You have a defense that's relentless. You have a special teams that has been well-coached. You have an offense that will not huddle. And you have a game that's faster than you've ever seen on turf. Open your eyes. That's going to be a reality. That's going to be Syracuse football."

"I really believe that we are going to start something that people are going to be talking about for a long, long time," Babers said.

Now Ash:
“With where we’re at at Rutgers, let’s be real: Are we going to go out and land every four- and five-star player on the East Coast? No,” Ash said. “So we have to invest in the ones that we can get. Invest in their full potential. Everyone gets caught up in four- and five-star recruits.

“Yeah, I would love to have them all. But how many two- and three-stars are on NFL rosters? They’re all over the place. Why? They’ve been developed. We need to become a developmental program. We are going to develop the players to reach their full potential.”

Hmmmm. I'm all for speak softly and let your results do the talking but then, I don't recruit football players for a living.

You must prefer Fiction over Non-Fiction.

 

[LotusAggressor]

I posted the same article 5 minutes after you post. I took mine down. Some more interesting quotes:

I like that he is setting expectations, and not worried about getting every 4 and 5 star recruit.


“As I got ready to hopefully get an opportunity, I was looking at a lot of different scenarios,” Ash said. “If I was here, if I was here, if I was here, how could I make it all fit? This was a different deal. Rutgers wasn’t really on my radar screen, but it worked out. I’m here and I want to make sure that it fits for Rutgers and the state of New Jersey and what I want to get done.”

“With where we’re at at Rutgers, let’s be real: Are we going to go out and land every four- and five-star player on the East Coast? No,” Ash said. “So we have to invest in the ones that we can get. Invest in their full potential. Everyone gets caught up in four- and five-star recruits.

“Yeah, I would love to have them all. But how many two- and three-stars are on NFL rosters? They’re all over the place. Why? They’ve been developed. We need to become a developmental program. We are going to develop the players to reach their full potential.”

I'm glad he said this. It's not said enough.

 

[ScarletCrimson]

The only fair things to judge are the kids each respective coach is able to land.

 

[chase07470]

You must prefer Fiction over Non-Fiction.

It is interesting the difference in the dream. One is imagining great difficulty landing kids with options and the other is dreaming pure glory.

Is there anything to dreaming big to create your reality?

I think so.

I love the hire of Ash, I just think he needs to talk less on how difficult it is at Rutgers and more about how exciting it's going to be. Both for himself, his staff, the players, the recruits and the fans.