Too many band members in our fanbase who cheer for a team whether they are good or bad.
We need to stop accepting mediocrity
Lots of needless negativity here
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We need to stop accepting mediocrity
The reality for next year is the offense is loaded in a way that it has not been loaded since Greg 1.0/Flood year 1.
RB room full of talent, especially with the transfer in.
Receiver room loaded with Strong, Black, Duff, and the TE Transfer.
Yes, need some additions to OL and DL, but defense should not fall off too much, especially with Mo Toure back.
Hard schedule be damned. 7 wins is the absolute basement floor.
DL is getting some portal transfers along with Kyle. The real question mark is the OL. A little early for Matthews, so the key will be the development of the '22 and '23 3 stars.
It’s amazing, Debbie Downer and George Constanza rolled into one! Do the opposite!
This is a realistic goal, and we should be demanding this. Hell, we should have finished 9-4 easy this year, could easily say we should have been 10-3, but I won’t push the envelope as many around here aspire for lowered expectations, but this year we should have had a typical Wisc./Iowa type of win/loss record. Question is can Rutgers get to that record and then maintain consistency like those programs? This should be the goal for them, not 6-6 and trips to the Pinstripe and 6-6 and future trips to the Pinstripe should not be celebrated. Last year, absolutely yes it should have been celebrated but that’s over with….we have better talent and are bringing in more next year so it’s time for Greg and Rutgers to set its sights higher and try to get to the Iowa/Wisconsin level with a 9-4 or 10-3 season as a much more realistic goal than even wasting time by mentioning Oregon, OSU, PSU, Michigan. Get to that level and then figure out how to improve from there, we haven’t even reached the Iowa/Wisconsin level yet but it does not feel like an unattainable goal at all, we are eons and eons and eons away from Oregon, OSU, PSU, but not eons away from Iowa. Maybe just one eon away.
Wrong, stop tearing down the good. We are never, ever, ever going to be Creep State, and don’t want to be!! Go RU! Hooray for Coach Schiano!!!
Because the next guy that comes in to renovate the house will burn it down. At least you got a house to live in right now
We had some progress this year and treaded water in other ways.
You don't fire a coach for one year, of at worse, treading water. And that's before we get to the high ranked class, no President or AD.
Some of our fans are just totally delusional.
You don't fire a coach for one year, of at worse, treading water. And that's before we get to the high ranked class, no President or AD.
Some of our fans are just totally delusional.
To do that you’ve got to beat them — which we’ve never done
What does "stop accepting mediocrity" actually mean aside from how much individual fans contribute to the program in terms of money, time and interest .... which we will never really know for sure on an anonymous message board.
For instance, you may have an eternally optimistic poster here who donates 6 figures to the program & NIL and cheers for the team no matter what. Conversely you may have a serial complainer who constantly talks about not accepting mediocrity but donates nothing nor goes to any games / events.
God and fair questions.
Should the fans that don’t want mediocrity be leading the charge to get Schiano fired ? With what $$ and who do they want hired ? I would love to know what they think Rutgers should do right now
So the fans are the problem because they accept mediocrity and only donate enough to be mediocre? I don't see a problem.
He we go again with the confusing "fans accept mediocrity" posts. What is it exactly that fans are supposed to do to show they don't accept mediocrity? I mean, other than just whining on the internet.
Those of you who believe you are not "accepting mediocrity", please share what you're doing, personally, to bring about non-mediocrity?
Those of you who believe you are not "accepting mediocrity", please share what you're doing, personally, to bring about non-mediocrity?
Last season we were 7-6 and this season we are 7-6. And last year was a harder schedule with some saying we had the worst qb in college football. Had we won this bowl game, 8-5 would have felt a whole lot better and set the tone for next season.
"8-5 would have felt a whole lot better and set the tone for next season." Is so true and made for a more positive tone on this board .
As it is with the expectations at the start of season because of a favorable schedule and not living up to it, the rate bowl loss just added to a disappointing season and makes the negativity being seen now understandable and should be expected to continue all of the off season.
When you're not happy with the final result, you don't express joy.
The only positive I see is Greg has raised out expectations of having a good Rutgers program again.
From when he lert after the 2011 season to when he returned for the 202o season the best hope the fanbase had was that the HC would be fired .
Kyle Flood might have won more than he lost, but from the day he was hired to when he received the boot, Kyle was not a fan favorite and made the program into an embarrassment by the time he left because of his actions
Schiano brought hope and not making Rutgers a top program is being held against him, even if RU's season ends a winning one . RU fans expect a far better program under Greg , while under other HCs they expected the worst and their hopes were that those 2 HCs were replaced
And how's that working out for Stanford, which has suffered abysmal seasons lately.
OK, so I've read everything posted above and heard all the arguments pro and con. For me as a long time sufferer (class of `1970) it can be summarized as avoiding losses to OSU, Michigan, and Penn St. this year in exchange for losing to Nebraska, UCLA, and Illinois. But keep telling me how everything will be so much better next year.
The S&C coach who changed workouts left awhile ago.
Shaw left a few years ago
I dont even know who the coach is now
But the program plummeted under Shaw stating in 2015 after they moved to the flexibility thing. 🤔
its tough being a rutgers fan. kudos to
you for your dedication. spoiler alert which after 54 years, should not be unexpected - its probably not going to be better next year.
The problem is the fans provide mediocre support while expecting superior results.
Exactly. In a nutshell, Rutgers sucks because its fans and alums make it suck. It takes money and donations to be good in any sport. RU fans are always looking for the big donor, always wondering why the school is terrible while treating donating to it like its a bad word.
We live in a house with 6' ceilings because that is what our fanbase pays for.
That ship has sailed. Historically Rutgers alumni do not donate to the sports programs. With NIL they certainly aren’t going to come out of the woodwork. It’s driving people away. Look at basketball and the epic disaster that is unfolding. Two top 3 recruits and we are going to miss the tournament. What average Joe wants to donate hard earned money to college kids who will be here for a year or two?
Until the rules change, Rutgers is doomed. DOOMED!
While I agree our fanbase is cheap, this has nothing to do with the way our coaching staff invents new and creative ways to lose games, in addition to going into a crappy prevent mode when they build a lead. Also, Rutgers does a decent job of frustrating and pissing off mid level donors to the point that they stop donating. Rutgers also does a good job of wasting money and piss poor planning on facilities.
Well I would blame the record on workout trainings.
Still need good players and coaches.
If RU had half of its injured players back would it matter if they didn't max lift?
Bobby Okereke did 16 reps at 225 - light for a LB
Christian McCaffrey did 10 reps - Pacheco did 29.
NFL coaches know Stanford guys won't be big lifters max wise
I did not definitely attribute the losses to the flexibility over strength. Always wonder what the hell happened to Stanford under Shaw. He had a really good run with them.
Shaw puts some blame on Stanford being locked-out of realignment
David Shaw reveals that Stanford got caught sitting and waiting in conference realignment
The former Stanford coach provided insight on what went wrong for the Pac-12 and Stanfordhttps://www.si.com/college/stanford...sitting-and-waiting-in-conference-realignment
Multiple six figures in donations-is that mid-level or higher level?
Have detailed this before. In short, not following up, not getting invited to events, sending initial invites and not following through with details. Multiple phone calls to get the simplest things done. Generally, poor customer service.
Get real. Multiple six figure donations is high level at OSU and Michigan. Mid level probably starts somewhere in four figures at Rutgers and low five fibe figures at the blue bloods
Have no idea of the pecking order. Made to feel like a lower mid level.
Agree with the majority of your assessment except for the “defense should not fall off too much “ .
Our Defense loses 7 starters …. And this assumes Toure returns at full strength next season. A big hopefully yes. Don’t see on the current roster where this talent is replaced. Even the KSU HC said they saw Rutgers Cornerbacks were slow and were going to take advantage of this…which they did. Unless there are some hidden gems from last year’s class that didn’t see the field this year { Luman Brothers, DB White} or new recruits that can step right in and shine { DT Braxton, CB Dorilas, LB Archie} the Defense will see a drop off. The Portal must produce B1G ready talent on Defense for Rutgers to fix this imo. {DL and Secondary}.
Lose 7 starters. How many games did RU have those 7 starters with all the injuries. Lost track. Powell, Lewis, Longerbeam missed multiple games. Hamilton held up most of the season. The other 3 are eluding me at the moment. Seems the DL will have a decent fall off. DBs not so much?
DB = heavy fall off. Besides Longerbeam we lose Loyal, Dixon, Rogers, etc. Yes we all saw the devastating impact these injuries had on D. Equally concerning was the lack of production in their replacements on D. New infusion of talented players + more dynamic new DC will be key.
Look, it's not Greg's fault. Rutgers fans just don't want to pony up the cash to make things happen. You guys complain all the time, but you aren't not willing to open your wallets. Want a better coach? Gotta pay for it. Want better players? Gotta pay even more. Stop waiting for the whale with many billions who will come and save this program. Big-time programs like Alabama and Ohio State got that way because their fans coughed up the dough and demanded results. Rutgers fans need to do the same. Is super apparent now in the era of NIL... We as a fanbase are way too cheap and will accomplish nothing unless we come up with the financial backing needed to compete. College sports has always been about the have ($$$$$) and the have nots (-$), is just that now is s bit more transparent than before with a focus on paying players rather than building super expensive facilities.
