You couldn't find one of the dozen other "Waah! Why won't Ash start right away?" whinefests to post this novella in? You had to start your own?
Ash to Coach tOSU Bowl Game
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Hi all,
This is my first post here after reading for years, how exciting.
So I have been reading all of the reactions to Ash staying for the bowl game, but I just don't feel any disappointment from his decision. I just keep thinking how much we all want college football players (or high school kids when they make the decision), to stick to their commitments when they say they are going to come to Rutgers. How can a coach ask that of high school students if he doesn't hold himself to his own commitments.
I would love Ash to acknowledge the concerns of fans during his speech, and simply say I am a man of my word and will honor my commitments. I told the players I coach now that I would be there for them during the bowl game and I will keep that promise to them. Once I am done helping them win another post-season game and ending this season with success, I will bring the same level of honor and commitment to Rutgers. The men who sign of to have me as their coach will know that I am a man who keeps his promises, and I will expect them to do the same. I will bring honor and success to Rutgers football. That is a promise I made to myself, and I always keep those too.
This is my first post here after reading for years, how exciting.
So I have been reading all of the reactions to Ash staying for the bowl game, but I just don't feel any disappointment from his decision. I just keep thinking how much we all want college football players (or high school kids when they make the decision), to stick to their commitments when they say they are going to come to Rutgers. How can a coach ask that of high school students if he doesn't hold himself to his own commitments.
I would love Ash to acknowledge the concerns of fans during his speech, and simply say I am a man of my word and will honor my commitments. I told the players I coach now that I would be there for them during the bowl game and I will keep that promise to them. Once I am done helping them win another post-season game and ending this season with success, I will bring the same level of honor and commitment to Rutgers. The men who sign of to have me as their coach will know that I am a man who keeps his promises, and I will expect them to do the same. I will bring honor and success to Rutgers football. That is a promise I made to myself, and I always keep those too.
You haven't heard? Flood is coaching Rutgers bowl game. And Julie is one of the
dance team girls, for the same team.
An informecial for Ash..lol please...its about OSU and Meyer..a couple of mentions of Ash is what you get
RU probably negotiated such a cheap salary for him that he said fine but I'm coaching the bowl. He probably also doesn't want to take off because someday, if all goes well, he could jump back there to be OSU's head coach. I'd bet he leaves immediately for that if that day ever comes. And if it did happen, it means we've won some big games.
I want him here focused on RU immediately. If that's not going to happen, then at least there are a couple ancillary benefits to RU by him remaining with OSU for the bowl.
I want him here focused on RU immediately. If that's not going to happen, then at least there are a couple ancillary benefits to RU by him remaining with OSU for the bowl.
I am fine with him starting after the bowl (unlike the HACK! Kelly who left Cincy high and dry going into the biggest game in the history of their football program).
When we are competing in the B1G in three years this "one month" won't matter and the hacks who are criticizing will still be fools.
GO RU! GO ASH!
When we are competing in the B1G in three years this "one month" won't matter and the hacks who are criticizing will still be fools.
GO RU! GO ASH!
SL/nj.com has an agenda and it doesn't matter if Ash started before he signed the papers. They love to spill Rutgers' blood at every opportunity. If not now about Ash start date, then they find something else. It's a no win situation and that sometimes it goes for us as fans against its own team.
I posted this in the other thread but I'll post it here too.
I think it's just another example of fans being too insular as I've said in the past and not seeing the world beyond the borders of this board and team. If coaches decide to split time, they don't realize the standard SOP of how it usually might break down. There were people worried that he wouldn't be there for his own introductory press conference parsing words like "introduced" and "announcement." Really? Come on now. People were worried about him being here for the recruiting weekend and how is he going to hire coaches working for OSU until the bowl. Again have you not seen how these things happen in other places when coaches decide to split time. I mentioned the likely breakdown and then I posted the Nick Saban/Smart thing in other threads confirming my thoughts.
The first week and a 1/2 or so he's likely to be pretty much working for us recruiting and hiring coaches. He'll likely only be splitting during bowl prep and practice for OSU. I expect him to be here for the weekend and that much of his staff will be in place by the bowl game.
Would I prefer him to be here exclusively and finished with OSU? Yes. Is it the most ideal setup? Maybe not, but it's certainly very workable and there are ancillary PR benefits and recruiting pitch benefits to it. So you just roll with it, it's not the end all be all.
I think it's just another example of fans being too insular as I've said in the past and not seeing the world beyond the borders of this board and team. If coaches decide to split time, they don't realize the standard SOP of how it usually might break down. There were people worried that he wouldn't be there for his own introductory press conference parsing words like "introduced" and "announcement." Really? Come on now. People were worried about him being here for the recruiting weekend and how is he going to hire coaches working for OSU until the bowl. Again have you not seen how these things happen in other places when coaches decide to split time. I mentioned the likely breakdown and then I posted the Nick Saban/Smart thing in other threads confirming my thoughts.
The first week and a 1/2 or so he's likely to be pretty much working for us recruiting and hiring coaches. He'll likely only be splitting during bowl prep and practice for OSU. I expect him to be here for the weekend and that much of his staff will be in place by the bowl game.
Would I prefer him to be here exclusively and finished with OSU? Yes. Is it the most ideal setup? Maybe not, but it's certainly very workable and there are ancillary PR benefits and recruiting pitch benefits to it. So you just roll with it, it's not the end all be all.
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But neither was moving to coach in the same division of the same league and Narduzzi was hired just days before the MSU game
The main thing is we want him reaching out to the current crop of recruits who have committed to RU. I would imagine he can do that while working on the bowl game. How much work can you do for a game that is almost a month away? He will have plenty of time to get a staff together, meet w/ the team and recruit.
Considering the fact that there are over 3 weeks before the bowl game, I suspect that there will be ample time to get started to work on putting together a staff and organizing he recruiting efforts. Oh yeah, he's going to have to relocate his family, too. I'm waiting to hear about which recruit we lost out on or game we lost because he chose to finish out his tenure at tOSU for a huge bowl game.
Wait until Ash speaks today. If he says 'I won't be starting at RU until early January' then whine away although it won't accomplish anything except create negativity. After you listen to him you will realize he's going to hit the ground running this week and will rejoin OSU for bowl prep during the dead period (similar to Kirby Smart). At that point I hope you'll let it go and give Ash a chance. Unless you think he's a complete moron who wants to sabotage his first head coaching gig, in which case I don't know what to tell you.
Such as our program needs immediate help now. We don't have the luxury of awaiting a messiah. We need a disciple to start the process of repair asap.
He doesn't know what his concerns are, because he doesn't know what Ash is going to do. He doesn't know if Ash is going to spend 99% of his time at OSU over the next 4 weeks, or if he is going to spend 99% of his time at Rutgers, or something in between.
the OP is comparing the "typical american workplace" to college football workplace, which is truly comparing apples to oranges, I understand the need that some have to spin this into being the norm, but unless his contract states differently, its not the norm, he had a choice, and when given that choice, most assistant coaches being promoted to lead another program as their head coach, start immediately.
In the words of Bo, I want a Rutgers man coaching Rutgers! 100% committed to Rutgers from day one. Hit the ground running and don't look back.
Please stop with this dead period stuff. Should be getting a staff, getting acclimated, watching RU film, meeting current players, etc. Really sends the wrong message when 100% is not focused on Rutgers. He's a co-coordinator for goodness sake. OSU can move along without him, RU can't get started.
Al Golden is still camping out in a sleping bag outside The Hale Center just in case things fall through with Ash.
There is no reason Maryland with the same type of hire in the same conference should have a coach start right away and Rutgers doesn't. It is all about perception, even with the fan base. My perception is he is more worried about pissing off Meyer than he does about making Rutgers a winning program! This program needs a person that is more than 100% committed and that starts the moment you are hired!
Of course, being the contrarian he is, we know Politi is saying this because Ash is not skipping the bowl game. Plus it's his way of being critical of the new coach. And if some how Ash reconsiders and skips the bowl game, he will take credit.
The concerns are, how much time will he spend putting together a a staff over the next three weeks?....Will he be able to start that now, or is he going to wait three weeks?
Even if he starts now, will that effort be hampered enough where it will not be done as effectively as it would have been
If he waits are we more at risk of de commits?..... What late verbal might we now miss out on that we might have gotten
As gung- ho recruits like Russo and Campbell seemed all along, are their confidence in our program being shaken up to the point of looking around again.
I know we always want recruits to look around and be sure, but these two WERE fairly certain, they need to be talked to by the new staff, at minimum....... The longer the wait, the more likely they may start to take visits that might not have been
Yes, we know that it is common for some coaches to start after the bowl, but the fears of the fans on these issues will still be there.
Even if he starts now, will that effort be hampered enough where it will not be done as effectively as it would have been
If he waits are we more at risk of de commits?..... What late verbal might we now miss out on that we might have gotten
As gung- ho recruits like Russo and Campbell seemed all along, are their confidence in our program being shaken up to the point of looking around again.
I know we always want recruits to look around and be sure, but these two WERE fairly certain, they need to be talked to by the new staff, at minimum....... The longer the wait, the more likely they may start to take visits that might not have been
Yes, we know that it is common for some coaches to start after the bowl, but the fears of the fans on these issues will still be there.
How exactly can he help sitting in the Hake that he can't in Columbus? Again, he will be here 100% of the time until the dead period. After that he will be returning to Columbus while our present players take finals and go him for break. He will return early January and get ready for the next go offices visit weekend. So again, please list actual things he could be doing in the Hale center that he can't do in Ohio while it's a dead period and our kids are home on break.
A rational and well-written first post. You won't last long here.
I kid, I kid. Very well said and I agree with you 100%. Look forward to many more of your posts.
I kid, I kid. Very well said and I agree with you 100%. Look forward to many more of your posts.
Have seen it both ways - and yes, it is not black & white - it is highly dependent on situation, on employment agreements / contracts, on what 'work' the individual will be involved with during their remaining time. Obviously they would not be pulled into '5-year strategy formulation' sessions.
But, if they were seen as the "content expert" and they were needed to make the most successful effort to conclude an in-process time critical matter - I have seen people stay to conclude the matter.
Doreen, welcome. We hope that you and your husband enjoy your time "on the banks".
And if he didn't coach in the bowl game, he'd be breaking a contract and running out on his players.
Two distinct character flaws Politi would bury him on.
Two distinct character flaws Politi would bury him on.
Quickat, welcome! Posting here is not for the faint at heart, or thin skinned. I sometimes think we are all masochistic in nature. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Rutgers never wins with the NJ.com crew. It's easier to ignore them. And recruits don't care what Politi says. They would be more impressed with a coach who honors his commitments to his team and his players.
1. And how many people post here disparaging employers for doing that?
2. You had people here posting last week that Tom Herman was going to be the OSU HC in 5 years and RU sucks for not hiring him away from Houston. Just how many HCs is Ohio State going to have in five years? Or is this just a fill in the blank method to piss and moan?
Great post! I agree 100%. Some of these other threads and posts are completely embarrassing. Not surprised that most of those that are outraged that he is coaching in the bowl were the same that supported coach Flood even though it was evident that he was not up to the task.
Let me remind those that are besides themselves that:
Rutgers will not have another game for over 9 months.
Rutgers will not have there next practice for over 5 months
Rutgers has people keeping contact with the commits Ash will contact them as well.
There is very little in the Flood class that needs to be saved.
OSU has only 15 days of practice until the Rose Bowl. Ash won't be there everyday.
The embarrassing posts need to stop. Your viewpoint is noted. You still love Flood and have made it a point to kill the next coach under any ridiculous circumstances. We get it. Flood is gone....it's time to move on.
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Actually, this would be up to Urban...... I could see him saying at a press conference that he is extremely happy for Ash, congratulate him profusely, and say that he is releasing him from his commitment to get started on his new position...
Here, Urban might feel he needs Ash for this last game, which is understandable..... But the release of Ash could have happened, and Urban would come off as a good guy.... Not that he needs further good publicity.
People do realize even if he's not there, Rutgers will still get mentioned when they say "Person X has taken over the defensive duties as Chris Ash has left to take the Rutgers job"
