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Ash to Coach tOSU Bowl Game

devoted2ru said:
As other have pointed out, him coaching in this game could provide positive PR for RU, since it's a pretty sure bet it'll be mentioned on air that Ash, the main guy responsible for turning tOSU's defense into a true force, will be taking over as RU's next HC. -And this guy is reportedly a relentless worker, so I have a sense he'll do what he needs to do to get the ball rolling at Rutgers, even with him finishing out his stint at tOSU.

Also, Narduzzi did exactly what Ash supposedly will be doing...stayed to coach in his former team's bowl game. So he'd be trying to negatively recruit against Ash by pointing out the very thing he did himself.
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I think you make some fair points; I think it's going to depend on how the 'schedule' works out. Personally I think he needs to be spending the majority of his time here, with him basically doing 'consultation' at OSU during December and then going to Pasadena/ wherever during the dark period.


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JoeRU0304 said:
I think you make some fair points; I think it's going to depend on how the 'schedule' works out. Personally I think he needs to be spending the majority of his time here, with him basically doing 'consultation' at OSU during December and then going to Pasadena/ wherever during the dark period.


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Agree. A lot will depend on how he schedules his time, and I would hope, too, that the way he'll do that will be along the lines you outlined.
 
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We should have kept Flood so he could keep talking to the recruits. :angry: I must find something to get angry about!

Also, Schiano would never put other goals ahead of ours. He would never leave just before signing day and basically cause the hiring of Flood.
 
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SkilletHead2 said:
Why are people assuming OSU will go to the Rose Bowl? I'm seeing OSU in the Fiesta Bowl against Notre Dame.
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Heard that as well. That's even worse he's not even coaching in the most prestigious B1G bowl rather a consolation bowl. Ughhh
 
if its the Fiesta bowl and he is going up against Houston - it would have the most dramatic back drop of any non - playoff game and be great publicity for Ash - as Urban's former OC goes up against Urban's former DC
 
RURahh said:
if its the Fiesta bowl and he is going up against Houston - it would have the most dramatic back drop of any non - playoff game and be great publicity for Ash - as Urban's former OC goes up against Urban's former DC
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It's not against Houston it's against ND, making it a big draw actually. I've already posted the matchups in the college playoff matchup thread.
 
koleszar said:
Heard that as well. That's even worse he's not even coaching in the most prestigious B1G bowl rather a consolation bowl. Ughhh
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That's true it's not the grand daddy of them all but it is against ND and that will likely draw eyes.
 
There's nothing wrong with him coaching the bowl game. It's only one game in a few weeks, and one last hurrah with his current players before he switches to RU.
 
I suspect the next 10 days he's going to be pretty much 100% RU in terms of meeting with recruits and building his staff.

Then the dead zone hits and he really can't do much.

I'd rather him be 100% RU starting tomorrow, but then again, I have no idea what the situation is. Maybe he will be taking other assistant coaches from OSU and cut a deal with Urban that in order to poach he needs to be there for the bowl game? Maybe it's contractual? Maybe it's a recruiting strategy?

No idea, but you have to assume there is a pretty good reason because Ash really doesn't mess around.


But of course, you have the same bozos in this thread jumping to conclusions. Probably the same people who thought we were getting Les Miles. Think before you type people.
 
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I don't like it but I can tolerate it and there are some ancillary benefits. Without knowing how other coaches have done it in the past for sure, I tend to think this first week and half he's going to be working for us pretty exclusively with quite a bit of time here and likely for the official visit. The time I think there will be a split of duties is when there's actual practice and game planning for OSU's fiesta bowl but that's likely later on toward mid month or a little later. After that I could see him back here again until near the actual game and then back there for the game and that's it.

I also think he'll have a good part of his staff in place, specifically the coordinators, by the time the game even happens.
 
ArminRU said:
I suspect the next 10 days he's going to be pretty much 100% RU in terms of meeting with recruits and building his staff.

Then the dead zone hits and he really can't do much.

I'd rather him be 100% RU starting tomorrow, but then again, I have no idea what the situation is. Maybe he will be taking other assistant coaches from OSU and cut a deal that in order to poach he needs to be there for the bowl game? Maybe it's contractual? Maybe it's a recruiting strategy?

No idea, but you have to assume there is a pretty good reason because Ash really doesn't mess around.


But of course, you have the same bozos in this thread jumping to conclusions. Probably the same people who thought we were getting Les Miles. Think before you type people.
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I tend to think that as well.
 
As long as he can contact all our recruits, start recruiting recruits and his future staff, i'm not to concerned about this tbh.
 
NY AGENTMAN said:
100% against him coaching Tosu. There is a lot of Fing work to be done here at RU. sorry starting off on the wrong foot IMO.
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No doubt about it, lots of work to do for any coach taking over a new job and I'd rather him be here but I'll tolerate it and there are some side benefits in PR like I've mentioned. Get his name out beyond the borders of NJ, "new Rutgers coach Chris Ash" repeated in a game against arguably the most watched team in the country, ND.
 
njknightsfan said:
Maybe he is being loyal to RU. Let's say he is coaching at the Rose Bowl, how many recruits will be watching the game? How many times do you think the announcers are going to mention, here is Coach Ash, who turned the Ohio St. defense around and now will be the head coach of RU after the game. Coach Meyers brought him in to improve his defense and he turned the defense into top 20 in the country from top 50................ You can't buy that kind of publicity, and, let's wait and see his press conference and what his plans are.
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Love your optimistic viewpoint, but this time is critical, especially this week before the dead period. It would have been a great time to meet with the team, recruits and host the recruiting visits next weekend. Sorry, but disappointment is really the word here. Bad job by Ash.
 
JPhoboken said:
Love your optimistic viewpoint, but this time is critical, especially this week before the dead period. It would have been a great time to meet with the team, recruits and host the recruiting visits next weekend. Sorry, but disappointment is really the word here. Bad job by Ash.
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...if he isn't here through at least 12/14 then I think that's a f'n disgrace (to the point where it should be a deal-breaker) but I doubt he's not here this week.


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Just when we think we are getting a fresh start, it seems like it is the same ole Rutgers football mistep.

To me this speaks to Hobbs' inexperience as an AD. Do you think any other BiG would let a new hire stay with a BiG competitor for another 3 weeks?

And for those who say it doesn't really matter, how often have we heard how much those bowl weeks of practice help a team for the next year. SO OUR NEW HC IS GOING TO BE COACHING UP AND MAKING ONE OUR COMPETITORS BETTER FOR 3 WEEKS .,,,,while we pay him....,while other new hires are building staff and are placating their incoming commits.
 
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...we'll see how this shakes out tomorrow though my Dad was flabbergasted- couldn't believe the coach wouldn't start in full at Rutgers right away. I'm not happy with this situation but I'll at least give it through the press conference before hitting the mental 'panic' button.


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Would prefer him on campus but it happens all the time.
 
Don't forget that Bowl Games have some similarities with major trade shows / conventions - a whole lot goes on beyond just a televised football game. Tons of interviews, lots of new contacts being made, catching up with old connections & possibly a chance to chat with & interview a potential staffer or two.
 
JPhoboken said:
Love your optimistic viewpoint, but this time is critical, especially this week before the dead period. It would have been a great time to meet with the team, recruits and host the recruiting visits next weekend. Sorry, but disappointment is really the word here. Bad job by Ash.
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I'd be surprised if he's not here for all that. I do think the next week to 10 days he's here and exclusively working for us. Only around practice/game plan time would I expect there to be some split duty then back to us and then back for the bowl game and that's it.
 
If Ash wants to coach OSU's bowl game that's fine. But we should be talking with other candidates while he does that.
 
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Hey , most of us know plum street is smarter than most people on this board . But plum shouldn't be smarter than Hobbs.
Hobbs should have said : 'Chris you're my guy . If you want this job , you start full time tomorrow ' .
It's not rocket science folks .
 
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JoeRU0304 said:
I think you make some fair points; I think it's going to depend on how the 'schedule' works out. Personally I think he needs to be spending the majority of his time here, with him basically doing 'consultation' at OSU during December and then going to Pasadena/ wherever during the dark period.


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The dead period start next Sunday.
 
rulaw87 said:
As long as we are comparing, here is the NY Times article discussing Shea's hiring with some quotes from Shea's introductory press conference.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/21/s...gers-hires-a-walsh-man-to-field-a-winner.html
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That article was a trip down Memory Lane.
1. We hired Shea away from the B.C. Lions.... where he was their qb coach.
2. His salary was $150,000....and he was overpaid.
3. He was gonna bring "an aggressive, blitzing 3-4 defense".
4. He took over a Rutgers program that had 4 winning seasons in the 15 pre-Shea.
And he proceeded to win 11 games in 5 years here.
I think I just figured out why so many Rutgers fans hold Schiano in such high record. Damn, the guys before him set the bar so low.
 
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That article was a trip down Memory Lane.
1. We hired Shea away from the B.C. Lions where he was their qb coach.
2. His salary was $150,000....and he was overpaid.
3. He was gonna bring "an aggressive, blitzing 3-4 defense".
4. He took over a Rutgers program that had 4 winning seasons in the 15 pre-Shea.
And he proceeded to win 11 games in 5 years here.
I think I just figured out why so many Rutgers fans hold Schiano in such high record. Damn, the guys before him set the bar so low.
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Didn't Shea also say we would have "shocking speed" or some nonsense like that? Then he disappeared for about 10 days.
 
Again- even if he flies back and forth between Columbus and Piscataway after every bowl practice... it's not good enough.

tOUS is the competition, the enemy, the other guys now- their failure is part of our success. I expected him to eat, drink and sleep RU football.... learn everything he can about RU history and culture.... spend every waking moment on planning for OUR future...


Gotta agree -- if this is true, it's the kind of misstep that can come up again and again...
 
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Shocking power and game speed . Eventually being 40-0 in the second quarter was a shock to no one
 
ScarletStateofNJ said:
Just when we think we are getting a fresh start, it seems like it is the same ole Rutgers football mistep.

To me this speaks to Hobbs' inexperience as an AD. Do you think any other BiG would let a new hire stay with a BiG competitor for another 3 weeks?

And for those who say it doesn't really matter, how often have we heard how much those bowl weeks of practice help a team for the next year. SO OUR NEW HC IS GOING TO BE COACHING UP AND MAKING ONE OUR COMPETITORS BETTER FOR 3 WEEKS .,,,,while we pay him....,while other new hires are building staff and are placating their incoming commits.
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Golden would have been here like yesterday.
 
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So you are interviewing a candidate on December 4th for this key position - you identify someone who you feel is a very good fit - you are ready to make an offer - you ask "how soon can you start?"
They say "Well, Because of the special project I'm on (and the rules of my bonus plan) I have to stick around to help manage a part of this huge nationally televised presentation that you have heard we are doing in Arizona on January 1st .... after that I'm ready to be exclusively focused on the new job,"
they may go on to say "along the way, I should have some real quality time to get started on some of the fundamentals of this new position with your organization"

Do you stand up and say "absolutely not! if you can't quit and walk out of your position immediately, we don't want you " of course not! - would you hire somebody who would quit & depart a job with zero notice? no!

We do not know the terms that Ash discussed with Hobbs we do not know Hobbs' contractual obligations ... basically there are no details to be had - - will learn more tomorrow.
 
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RUMBA-JK said:
So you are interviewing a candidate on December 4th for this key position - you identify someone who you feel is a very good fit - you are ready to make an offer - you ask "how soon can you start?"
They say "Well, Because of the special project I'm on (and the rules of my bonus plan) I have to stick around to help manage a part of this huge nationally televised presentation that you have heard we are doing in Arizona on January 1st .... after that I'm ready to be exclusively focused on the new job,"
they may go on to say "along the way, I should have some real quality time to get started on some of the fundamentals of this new position with your organization"

Do you stand up and say "absolutely not! if you can't quit and walk out of your position immediately, we don't want you " of course not! - would you hire somebody who would quit & depart a job with zero notice? no!

We do not know the terms that Ash discussed with Hobbs we do not know Hobbs' contractual obligations ... basically there are no details to be had - - will learn more tomorrow.
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So now coaches give notice? Come on
 
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