AthlonSports.com article: 5 possible landing spots for Greg Schiano

[cubuffsdoug]

Schiano to Penn State after Franklin is fired tbh

Why are people still on this kick? Schiano's connection to PSU was through JoPa. The fans still respect JoPa, but the administration is still trying to distance themselves from JoPa and the situation. Bring in Schiano would open old wounds again. That's not happening anytime soon.

 

[lighty]

I have no care for the Schiano rumors right now, because Flood is our coach.

That being said, I did have a question about Schiano and his D. The D we ran in the Big East was pretty much put into place to try and battle teams like WVU who ran the spread. Do you think Greg would easily adapt to the different style of the B1G if he was a coach at Rutgers or Illinois or whereever?

When he ran the defense for Miami it was before Big East teams took to the spread. And those defenses were championship defenses.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Schiano to Penn State after Franklin is fired tbh

That's would be just great, there would be no end to the Greggie posts.

 

[RUClassof67]

They called GS a great in-game coach so they lost me there.

Exactly. That's where I stopped reading.

 

[Virginiarufan]

Why do the Schiano haters assume the Greg Schiano you get today is the exact same person that was coaching here a few years ago?

You do realize people learn, get better at their jobs, and improve their craft over time, right?

Whoever does get Greg Schiano next will get the best version of Greg Schiano there is. Both on the defensive side of the ball, and the in-game coaching ability. Don't pretend like he isn't going to have learn from his mistakes, he will. And if anything, he cannot be more stubborn than the guy we have nose-diving the program now.

 

[KnightHound]

I still don't get the "Schiano is the best option" scenario. He did a great job building the program, but after 2006 what did he do that was so great. No conference titles, no BCS bowls and highly average recruiting. And the 2012 class doesn't happen without Hafley and Angelico.
If your going to fire Flood make a clean break, and find the money to hire a dynamic coach and staff.

 

[StyleKnight]

Why do the Schiano haters assume the Greg Schiano you get today is the exact same person that was coaching here a few years ago?

You do realize people learn, get better at their jobs, and improve their craft over time, right?

Whoever does get Greg Schiano next will get the best version of Greg Schiano there is. Both on the defensive side of the ball, and the in-game coaching ability. Don't pretend like he isn't going to have learn from his mistakes, he will. And if anything, he cannot be more stubborn than the guy we have nose-diving the program now.

I think you are right. GS's biggest problem at RU was his stubbornness. If he got anything out of his experience at Tampa it was that he was humbled. I'm sure he will still be a d!ck most of the time. But he is not the same coach that left 4 years ago.

 

[brgossRU90]

What are the odds this article was really written by sciano's agent to get his name back in circulation?

 

[ruready07]

They called GS a great in-game coach so they lost me there.

Why? He is recognized as one of the best defensive minds in football. What about his coaching is poor? I hope you guys aren't talking about misusing a timeout and stuff along those lines, because every coach in America does that - this isn't playstation where you can pause time , this football thing moves a million miles an hour on the field.
Or are you talking about offensive play calling? Because he didn't do that. I love how every week I hear fans ripping a head coach for an offensive playcall that 80% of the time the coach had nothing to do with. Learn the game folks.

The guy is a great coach and one of us. You get his ass back here if you could , no question

 

[PatrickRU92]

If your going to fire Flood make a clean break, and find the money to hire a dynamic coach and staff.

I'm not trying to pick on you but this mantra is oft repeated but who are these coaches and how much will they demand and can we afford them

I hear the usual MAC names being thrown around , I hear coordinators being thrown around. I would take GS over any of those guys (same with Narduzzi from last year) a million times over. Now if you are going to tell me we are going to hire a proven winner (someone like Mullen for instance) then I'm with you. But I don't think we can do that.

 

[KnightHound]

I'm not trying to pick on you but this mantra is oft repeated but who are these coaches and how much will they demand and can we afford them

I hear the usual MAC names being thrown around , I hear coordinators being thrown around. I would take GS over any of those guys (same with Narduzzi from last year) a million times over. Now if you are going to tell me we are going to hire a proven winner (someone like Mullen for instance) then I'm with you. But I don't think we can do that.

That's why you pay your AD the big bucks. I know that sounds like a cop out, but that's the reality of the situation. It's Julie's job to develop a short list and find the best candidate.
You're right, anyone can come up with a list of the" usual suspects", but until you sit down and do the interviews, you can't see a coaches vision. Everything else is just message board fodder.

 

[RAA-1]

The most likely spot where GS may land is USF. Greg would not have to move his family and he loves living in the Tampa area according to people I know that are close to him. He would also recruit well in the State of Florida as well as in the Northeast. The only drawback is they are not a P5 school.
But $2 mill a year for 5 years could change his mind re P5.

Willie Taggart's record is very much like Terry Shea's at RU. God, USF even lost to Maryland earlier this year. USF cannot afford to be second class to UCF for much longer. GS will not go to UCF where George O will be the AD even when he retires as AD/HC.

 

[Virginiarufan]

USF?
UCF?

Is this a joke?

No one in their right mind would go to these places with BCS and NFL level experience.

 

[BoogieKnight]

You mean like the 2006 Ville game where Greg totally shut down the Cardinal offense and Brian Brohm after halftime - one of the most prolific and high powered offenses that year?

I like Greg's D for the most part but that was one game. And when the BE Championship and Orange Bowl berth was on the line vs WVU four weeks later the D was not even close to being great. Same thing second half of WVU game in 2011 when we blew 10 point lead...the game EL lead team out in the snow. I'd take him back because he would bring discipline, hope and buzz back to our program. But he needs to get a top flight OC and a veteran "in game" coach.

 

[shields]

2011 WVU had Geno Smith at QB and we had Gary as a freshman. Big difference at quarterback.

 

[Rutgers8086]

The most likely spot where GS may land is USF. Greg would not have to move his family and he loves living in the Tampa area according to people I know that are close to him. He would also recruit well in the State of Florida as well as in the Northeast. The only drawback is they are not a P5 school.
But $2 mill a year for 5 years could change his mind re P5.

Willie Taggart's record is very much like Terry Shea's at RU. God, USF even lost to Maryland earlier this year. USF cannot afford to be second class to UCF for much longer. GS will not go to UCF where George O will be the AD even when he retires as AD/HC.

I don't see him at USF. He was crucified in Tampa when he was with the Bucs and there is still a lot of resentment towards Rutgers down here.
His personality did not mesh with the local scene.

 

[RAA-1]

We shall see how this plays out.

 

[dollarbill]

At Central Florida, I can see O'Leary retiring at the end of the season with GS stepping in.

Finally, a realistic comment about an unemployed coach. $$$$

 

[Cruising Route 66]

Why are people still on this kick? Schiano's connection to PSU was through JoPa. The fans still respect JoPa, but the administration is still trying to distance themselves from JoPa and the situation. Bring in Schiano would open old wounds again. That's not happening anytime soon.

Not only is it not happening anytime soon, It won't be happening ever. This I can all but assure you and it has nothing to do with a relationship he may have had with JVP. And it Julie values her job, she won't be rehiring him either.

 

[RUBand]

Whatever it's perceived purpose, his D was excellent vs traditional offenses. That's how we were able to battle teams like B1G teams like Illinois and MSU while in the BE and still building our roster. I remember with fondness Illinois failing to pass midfield the entire game.

Then I think about Russo and throw up a little in my mouth.

If GS came here, took over the D and hired a top offensive guy like Fridge, I think we'd be pretty satisfied for the most part with the result. We'd still get beat by teams that run the spread though lol.

GS couldn't hire a top OC because, unfortunately (and I wish I was wrong), none would work with him. They would do countless hours of planning for a game, and Greg will then orchestrate the O game plan.....

 

[Knight Shift]

I posted this in another thread:
I am neutral on Greg Schiano. Nobody is going deny that he has a huge ego.
He left Rutgers making $2.3M per year when Rutgers was in a dying conference.
He is making $3 million to sit at home and do whatever he wants.

Totally different scenario because the guy has a wacky history, but some parallels because he left to go to the NFL and also a huge ego--Bobby Petrino.
When he left Louisville, he was making $1.6Million/year, and would have made a maximum of $2.6Million/year in 2016.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigeast/2006-07-13-louisville-petrino_x.htm

Leaves Atlanta Falcons, goes to Arkansas where his reputation takes a hit, and comes back to Louisville at a a salary of $3.5Million/year.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/21347707

For those who are not math jocks, that is more than double what he was making at Louisville when he left 7 years earlier. Before coming back to Louisville, Petrino took the WKU job at $850,000/year.

Greg Schiano does not have the W-L record Petrino had/has or the off the field baggage. But he is also smart enough to not take a major pay cut from his old employer when his old employer is now in a P5 conference. Plus, Rutgers today is much less ootball friendly than it was when he left, and now has a President that does not support big time football.

Why would he come back to Rutgers at a huge pay cut and to a non-supportive environment? He could take the USF job, which is paying Willie Taggart $2Million/year, or UCF, which is paying $2Million/year, neither of which requiring a major move. A couple of years at one of those jobs, and they he gets his major payday when he leaps to a P5 job.

 

[rutgersdave]

I think Schiano will come back to the Big Ten when either Edsall or Franklin are fired.

 

[KnightsofChrome]

In 2010, spread teams shredded Rutgers D (although that was also one of the years he didn't call defensive plays - but that's another story). So what did he do the following year? He was smart enough to reflect on the bad season and figured, he needed to make his team faster. So, he moved Greene from Safety to LB, moved Rowe from Corner to Safety, moved Cooper from WR to Corner, etc etc.

This was proof that Greg is able to easily adopt and adjust.

Just not on game day!

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

Schiano is ready....he learned some things from Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer and Chip Kelly.

Carroll stresses positive energy and blares music in practice and meeting rooms. Constant motivation and stimulation were staples of Meyer’s Ohio State program when Schiano visited there this summer, and those positive vibes prompted Schiano to re-think his motivational techniques. At Rutgers, he recalls getting his team fired up for a game with Navy by saying they didn’t respect Rutgers’ mantra of chopping wood. But Schiano realizes that repeatedly decreeing “Nobody mocks the chop!” isn’t the most sustainable model. Schiano’s time off has helped him realize that modern athletes need constant stimulation. He points to his kids watching Vines on short car rides and Chip Kelly’s philosophy of not having meetings last longer than a half-hour. He plans to bring “juice,” blaring music and constant motivation to his next stop. “You have to be able to live with that organized chaos to keep the energy level up there,” he says. “I am willing to do that.”

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/04/nfl-greg-schiano-year-off

 

[kapyoche]

He should try to get an NFL HC job one more time before entering college.

 

[StyleKnight]

Why? He is recognized as one of the best defensive minds in football. What about his coaching is poor? I hope you guys aren't talking about misusing a timeout and stuff along those lines, because every coach in America does that - this isn't playstation where you can pause time , this football thing moves a million miles an hour on the field.
Or are you talking about offensive play calling? Because he didn't do that. I love how every week I hear fans ripping a head coach for an offensive playcall that 80% of the time the coach had nothing to do with. Learn the game folks.

The guy is a great coach and one of us. You get his ass back here if you could , no question

Schiano was a terrible in game head coach. He always talked about how halftime adjusts were over rated. His game management and use of timeouts was terrible. No one is questioning his defensive play calling. But let's not forget his inability to adjust to the spread. Or to beat West Virginia ever.

 

[mildone]

This article feels like a setup, i.e. "let's talk about Greg Schiano returning to Rutgers and throw in some random other teams".

Miami seems to be doing better than expected this year. Golden may forestall his judgment until after the 2016 season. Schiano would fit into the Auburn football culture like a stripper at a Cub Scout meeting. Iowa State? There's no decent pizza for like a thousand miles.

Like a stripper at a Cub Scout meeting? So you're saying that the moms would hate Schiano but the dads and the boys would be looking to tuck money in his G string? The G is for Greg.

I'm guessing he could live with that.

 

[anon_ivydyf0amkzay]

Schiano to RU would make a great story...back to re-resurrect the program! We could do a lot worse! (and have!)

I also have nothing but gratitude and fondness for Schiano...but I guess I'm old enough to remember what a complete and utter cluster **** RU football was for so very long! I would welcome him back with great expectations...

Make it happen Julie!!!

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

That's why you pay your AD the big bucks. I know that sounds like a cop out, but that's the reality of the situation. It's Julie's job to develop a short list and find the best candidate.

You mean something like the process that got JH her job? Ignoring the entire hired consultants evaluation process and having a politically connected person insert her name at the last moment?

 

[NickKnight 1]

Let's see now, we want to get rid of Flood who doesn't recognize his
4 star, strong arm QB's talent, and bring in Greggie who didn't recognize
his 4 star strong arm QB's talent, All American rookie, in Savage, what
a great, great idea.[sick]

 

[mal359]

Schiano will not find a job anywhere in Florida.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Schiano (& Flood - even more so) is not 'crafty' nobody is ever going to refer to him as 'that wily old devil who outsmarted us today' - - he is a believer in 'the fundamentals' - basic, 1-2-3 fundamentals ... focus on traditional elements & do them as well as possible .... with the intent of grinding down the opponent.... sometimes it seems like his game plan was oblivious to weaknesses in the opponent's game.

Ultimately, Rutgers is going to need a genuinely clever & visionary coach to get to a more prominent position - somebody who truly is able to not just get players to work well together - but somebody who can figure out how to effectively & devastatingly capitalize on the opponent's vulnerabilities - somebody who demonstrates enough strategic vision that high talent level players are eager to come & play for him.
It is very difficult to discover a potential coaching genius who is poised to conquer the football world - but the ideal would be somebody who fits the old Bum Phillips saying -
"He can take his'n and beat your'n and take your'n and beat his'n."
..... don't see old Bum ever saying this about Schiano (or Flood)

 

[RUskoolie]

I will just never understand the trashing of Greg Schiano on this board (usually it's to prop up the current HC which is sad). Without Schiano 80% of you aren't posting here right now.

 

[WhiteBus]

Schiano is ready....he learned some things from Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer and Chip Kelly.

Carroll stresses positive energy and blares music in practice and meeting rooms. Constant motivation and stimulation were staples of Meyer’s Ohio State program when Schiano visited there this summer, and those positive vibes prompted Schiano to re-think his motivational techniques. At Rutgers, he recalls getting his team fired up for a game with Navy by saying they didn’t respect Rutgers’ mantra of chopping wood. But Schiano realizes that repeatedly decreeing “Nobody mocks the chop!” isn’t the most sustainable model. Schiano’s time off has helped him realize that modern athletes need constant stimulation. He points to his kids watching Vines on short car rides and Chip Kelly’s philosophy of not having meetings last longer than a half-hour. He plans to bring “juice,” blaring music and constant motivation to his next stop. “You have to be able to live with that organized chaos to keep the energy level up there,” he says. “I am willing to do that.”

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/04/nfl-greg-schiano-year-off

For people who hate or dislike Schiano and think he will come back and make the same mistakes you really need to read the article Choppin posted.

 

[RU2055]

I will just never understand the trashing of Greg Schiano on this board (usually it's to prop up the current HC which is sad). Without Schiano 80% of you aren't posting here right now.

SO TRUE!!! AND ..... without Schiano, Flood would probably be teaching math

Let's see now, we want to get rid of Flood who doesn't recognize his
4 star, strong arm QB's talent, and bring in Greggie who didn't recognize
his 4 star strong arm QB's talent, All American rookie, in Savage, what
a great, great idea.[sick]

On the first game of the year, Greg pulled his fifth year senior starter Natale when he was ineffective against Cincy and put his true freshman QB Savage.

What the heck are you talking about? If you're going to argue for Flood, at least be intelligent about it.

 

[KnightHound]

SO TRUE!!! AND ..... without Schiano, Flood would probably be teaching math


On the first game of the year, Greg pulled his fifth year senior starter Natale when he was ineffective against Cincy and put his true freshman QB Savage.

What the heck are you talking about? If you're going to argue for Flood, at least be intelligent about it.

Not arguing for Flood but let's be honest, Schiano ruined Savage's career here with the "wild knight" package.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

I will just never understand the trashing of Greg Schiano on this board (usually it's to prop up the current HC which is sad). Without Schiano 80% of you aren't posting here right now.

Personally I don't think Schiano deserves "trashing" - Schiano made a huge contribution to the growth of RU & RU football - but, like just about every coach, he has a style, he has an ego and he has certain limitations - and no matter how great his contributions, it does not grant him immunity from reasonable assessment.

Looking realistically (& favorably) at Schiano - it would be fair to say that he has a very strong 'inspirational entrepreneurial" streak - at RU he showed the ability to take a program that seriously "needed work" - that was pretty much 'stuck in the mud' ... in so many ways (on the field, the facilities, the staff, general visibility) and he threw himself into it - and he did a good job- he got it out of the muck! and got it to run! His tendency to micro-manage everything - - in the beginning, helped him to keep his finger on the pulse & to elevate the program ... but - and some might debate this - toward the end of his time at RU, it looked like his style had "max'ed out " - a bit like when a business grows to needing a different style leader - one who does not need to touch every single element - & make every single decision.

 

[KnightHound]

You mean something like the process that got JH her job? Ignoring the entire hired consultants evaluation process and having a politically connected person insert her name at the last moment?

Ok so take out Julie and insert Tim P, or Uncle Bob, it doesn't matter. It's the AD's job to find the best candidate for the job. And in this case find the funding as well. With no support from Barchi and the lack of high power boosters and big donations it's not an easy task.

 

[RU2055]

Not arguing for Flood but let's be honest, Schiano ruined Savage's career here with the "wild knight" package.

True, but "ruined" is a bit strong. Schiano saw the changing landscape of offenses and decided to experiment with Ciarrocca with the "Wildnight", etc. The thing was, the problem wasn't so much the scheme but more so the fact that the OLine couldn't block my grandma. And who was soley responsible for the OLine and OLine recruiting? Ahem. Besides, Schiano tried to correct the issue when he got rid of Captain Kirk and brought in Cignetti, who was a known pro-style QB guru. Of course by that time the fame already went to Savage's head, became a primadonna, all kinds of drama was created, listened to bad advise, and the rest is history. What happened with Savage wasn't Schiano's fault.

Point is, it is incorrect to say Schiano didn't "recognize" Savage's talent. If anything, he probably recognized it a little too much. That's very different from the situation with Flood and Rettig.

 

[PaKnight]

For people who hate or dislike Schiano and think he will come back and make the same mistakes you really need to read the article Choppin posted.

Maybe he had changed, maybe not.