So any profits from college athletics go into a single pool to be distributed equally to all scholarship athletes? I would be ok with that but you’re probably taking about a small number on a per capita basis.
Basketball Baker/Pikiell offer comments on Baker's IG reply today
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Geo Baker helps put millions of dollars into Rutgers Athletics' revenue. His value is way higher to us than what he is provided. He should be able to market his likeness and image as he sees fit as long as it does not reflect poorly on Rutgers.
Geo Baker is not generating millions of dollars in revenue. That's ridiculous.
Delusion at its greatest.
His name and likeness value on the open market is negligible. The production, marketing and distribution of his product
Would cost more than his sales....
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This guy is lecturing Zappa on player revenue streams ? No good will come from this no matter what the outcome is someday. The point why is Rutgers always involved in the negative news department? There was no good reason for Baker to spew his toxins public during the season. He was heard during the summer protests. Sorry not a good look and it showed in the play of Baker and Myles his roommate. You want an Educated erudite guy ...look no further than MJ. He certainly may feel the same as Baker but chooses his spots carefully.
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There are very, very few athletes generating real revenue individually at the college level. Fab Five? I can buy that. Zion Williamson? Sure.
Geo Baker? Zero chance. He's costing more individually than he is generating, which I am ok with. Until he starts crying about being a slave.
By virtue of being on TV as a result of playing for a BIg Ten university is why Geo is who he even is. What these guys don’t understand is it’s rarely about them. If it isn’t Geo it’s whoever is the point guard playing for Rutgers. You’re welcome.
What's his product? His jersey? I've never in my entire life seen a Geo Baker jersey being worn by anyone other Geo Baker. Millions in revenue lol.
BINGO.
Rutgers is on tv whether Geo Baker is running point guard for Rutgers or Seton Hall. Rutgers is making the same amount of money from our TV contract whether he suits up or not. He's irrelevant to that number.
If he was some national superstar with his jersey being sold out off the racks, maybe there is something there. But it isn't. He's a nice player on a decent team, that outside of Rutgers, no one really thinks is sexy or interesting. He's not moving any marketing needles whatsoever.
He isn't transcending the game in any way, which is what it would take to generate real revenue. The millions someone else alluded to. Zion Williamson is the only guy I can think of in the last decade that holds that distinction. Duke made out on him. Well, not really considering he was getting paid under the table.
And yet there will be the same group touting his agenda and worthiness. Yes , we cheer for him . Do we want his life to be fruitful and productive certainly. Geo Baker , if he is this great representative for college sports and the fair an equal entitlement for a share of the money, needs to use his media platform much better. For those who are alums, fans and especially donors to the Rutgers Nation a little mutual respect might be a good thing.
That's exactly what is going to happen. And the moment it does, I stop watching college sports. At that point they are professionals, and I don't want to watch second tier professionals when I can watch better ones if I choose.
You can’t have equal pay. It will only be a matter of time when the basketball and football players are pissed that the last guy in the soccer team is making the same money. If they are all playing and working hard then they all need same comp. it doesn’t work.
If geo wants to go get a part time job like all the other schleps in his classes then more power to him. I had a buddy who worked at a dinner in college and another a Dick’s. But to say that he should be paid to be the face of a car dealership or something like that is ludicrous. The only value that he has for the dealership is tied right back to Rutgers. Rutger basketball is the reason why people watch geo baker. Geo baker is NOT the reason why people watch Rutgers basketball.
Maybe Rutgers should let geo get paid 10k for a couple appearances throughout the year(not sure who would pay that but for argument sake)so Rutgers can take a cut just like any company would when they allow people to use there brand to make money.
Also who sets the rules. What if a porno company is owned by a Rutgers alum and want to pay geo. Is that ok? What if geo ends up in a lawsuit because he was the face of some energy bar company and the bars end up causing cancer. Do they sue geo or Rutgers?
If geo wants to go get a part time job like all the other schleps in his classes then more power to him. I had a buddy who worked at a dinner in college and another a Dick’s. But to say that he should be paid to be the face of a car dealership or something like that is ludicrous. The only value that he has for the dealership is tied right back to Rutgers. Rutger basketball is the reason why people watch geo baker. Geo baker is NOT the reason why people watch Rutgers basketball.
Maybe Rutgers should let geo get paid 10k for a couple appearances throughout the year(not sure who would pay that but for argument sake)so Rutgers can take a cut just like any company would when they allow people to use there brand to make money.
Also who sets the rules. What if a porno company is owned by a Rutgers alum and want to pay geo. Is that ok? What if geo ends up in a lawsuit because he was the face of some energy bar company and the bars end up causing cancer. Do they sue geo or Rutgers?
Paid 10 thousand?
To do what?
What car dealership wants Geo Baker, a college athlete, to be their “face” ?
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It's you're. And I am not offended. But I would be if I descended from slaves. As it is, it's very ignorant to me.
He could have framed the issue differently, but his general take on athletes being paid or being able to use their likeness is not outside the mainstream. I’d also agree that he might be surprised that it isn’t worth quite what he thinks it is.
As far as “offensive to some”, I’d agree, and add that the “outrage” is coming from the usual suspects who are seemingly triggered fairly easily lately.
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Any other non-athlete college kid getting a scholarship doesn’t have to sign over their personal rights to profit from their own works, likeness and success. And to people who say they should just be grateful for their scholarship...that would make sense if the networks and colleges weren’t making hundreds of millions. It’s just not a fair distribution of the goods.
What you conveniently forgot is their works, name and likeness is worthless on the open market....so there’s that.
Lol
Take your free education at a great university, tutoring, mentoring, housing training, travel, facilities, incredible nutrition, clothing and priceless connections and be happy
I’m not cutting him a break because some , such as you , feel he should get a free pass for stupidity. Geo just called our school basically a “ slave “ factory . If you donate to Rutgers and some of us do and you are an alum then you can put me in the category of triggered. If you don’t agree that’s all good BossNJ.
This is what they don’t understand. They think the only thing holding Geo back from earning Jordan brand money is the evil NCAA. Rutgers athletic department loses money lo.l. Geo isn’t doing a very good job of raising revenue.
So here’s the thing how much would you pay for a Geo Baker Jersey? I’m waiting to hear what should be interesting. Ray Rice or Brian Leonard , Eric LeGrand Jason and Devin McCourty those are some I might pay for.
$0. I’m a grown man. The only college jersey I’m wearing is my own.
The value should be a bit higher at schools like Louisville. They don’t have to pay for their hookers.
I‘m a Geo fan but I had season tickets before he was here and I’ll have them after he leaves. I think your exaggerating his revenue impact.
Most colleges lose money on sports.
Non athletic kids aren’t making money off of their likeness and if they were it’s probably not related to their Academics.
Wanna make money, go caddy for three months.
Two loops a day puts about 400 cash in your pocket a day
Two loops a day puts about 400 cash in your pocket a day
I think there is a reasonable middle ground. They are clearly contributing more than the value of a scholarship to the pie that is being created. And, if it weren't for the NBA and NCAA collaborating to limit their choices, their likenesses would be worth more. It's NOT an OPEN MARKET. It's more like a cartel.
Having said that, the schools and conference and TV deserve a lot of the pie because there is no value without them as well.
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Slice of what pie? Can’t be revenue. Profits? Whose profits? How are they distributed?
I could see a stipend equivalent to what the average college student makes over the summer if they can’t work.
Tell me how their likeness would be worth more?
99% of NJ wouldn’t be able to identify Geo In a picture.
The better the team the higher the value but without The NCAA there is no value for these college athletes unless they go to the C league or something. Their likeness would be worth much less if anything at that point. I’m a big fan but if he wasn’t at RU I would not even know he existed.
Just saw Mike Piazza on Howard Stern rerun and he was making $850/month when he started A ball. They probably make a lot more now but not $millions either.
Of the power 5 schools that lose money, mostly it's because they are spending big to be competitive. They are making a ton, but spending a ton. But they make that decision because they think it benefits them overall. Benefits the student experience, benefits their brand, brings in more applications. There is VALUE being created. College basketball is a billion dollar industry. The kids deserve a bigger piece of the pie.
For a kid like Geo, if he was allowed, just as an example, he could easily cut a deal with a local car dealership or whatever for advertising. Not NBA money, but real money. Especially for poor people.
I’m with you on a uniform revenue stream for these kids because they can no longer work all summer.
These universities can pool a percentage of their profits and pay all these kids equally
Not a chance, to say easily is delusional...no local car company would hire Geo for advertising, their customers don’t know who he is.
They’ll hire Tino Martinez or Lee Mazzilli, or Harry Carson or Jack Hughes.
Not your fault, you just don’t understand the NIL world or appearance, endorsement industry
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I don’t understand. So most schools including Rutgers aren’t spending enough to make enough? Don’t get it. Certainly paying athletes isn’t going to help the situation.
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