Ben Black

[RU-05]

In Black's defense, given the wind, the ball may have shifted on him at the last moment.

But it's a clear drop on a well thrown ball. Good thing is Black came back with a big TD catch later so he doesn't have that drop running threw his head all week.

 

[Yeah Baby]

That ball was a perfect throw and should have been a walk in TD. It hit the WR in stride.

Pass was great. Not as easy to catch on the sidelines and we've seen some big drops down the middle too over the years. My guess is Black worried about his feet for a split and lost the ball. Or he just lost it because he was fighting a really good D Back and lost his stride. The good news is he beat a really good D back twice in a row.

 

[Knight Shift]

Pass was great. Not as easy to catch on the sidelines and we've seen some big drops down the middle too over the years. My guess is Black worried about his feet for a split and lost the ball. Or he just lost it because he was fighting a really good D Back and lost his stride. The good news is he beat a really good D back twice in a row.

And wind gusts. Wind was persistent and strong.

 

[gef21]

Could be
I mentioned that because it was that type of pass that worked well against our other opponents

When we start throwing deep, our chances of it working are not so good

They ran match up zone most of the time but have a lot of man looks pre snap. Other teams packed the box and brought heat. They didn't pack the box but dominated us on the interior line and brought heat from depth off the edge.

 

[sct1111]

Shelby agrees, but you missed the point has been making. If you’d been paying attention you’d have noted Shelby was only discrediting #s claim that it was a perfect pass. It wasn’t. Most passes aren’t. But it was certainly good enough that a D1 receiver all alone should have caught it.

‘Could have been better’ wasn’t a criticism, but was the truth that it was not perfect.

If you call a "perfect pass" a 10 than this pass was a 9.

 

[RU-05]

If you call a "perfect pass" a 10 than this pass was a 9.

9.5

 

[RU#1fan]

Did WR Ian Strong play yesterday?
Did not see him.

 

[ashokan]

They didn't "ditch" Kirk. We took him from them - for better or worse.

"The deal with Ciarrocca, who is currently the offensive coordinator at Minnesota, has not been completed and requires board approval, but it's expected to be finalized in the upcoming days. The commitment is expected to be significant, according to sources, as Ciarrocca was slated to average $950,000 over the next three years in Minneapolis after recently signing a new deal there."

I forgot - it was Penn St that ditched Kirk.
Then back to Minn and then back RU - where he was fired once before after one of worst seasons in RU history.
Now he makes more than Holloway.
That "year of mastery" sort of talk works well

 

[ashokan]

He's grasping at straws now hoping to win a point yet failing even worse with every attempt. I mean we've gone from not a drop, to ill fitting helmets to castoff OC...lol.

The deck is stacked.

Here in this place Dremel is called Wayne Chrebet and going to the NFL; GW is worst recruit despite winning 7 games and setting RU records, Monangai can win the Heisman, KC is a QB whisperer and so on.

Makes sense that a long ball that is behind and WR is a "perfect pass" and a dropped ball despite never hitting his hands. We cant all be on a spectrum so I'm happy to be on my island

 

[Knight Shift]

Did WR Ian Strong play yesterday?
Did not see him.

Yes, 1 or 2 receptions

 

[jOmega]

It's the definition of "drop".

Don't think it really matters whether the ball was dropped or not. It was a ball that was basically right on the money and should have been caught.

 

[ClassOf02]

Thread is bizzaro world.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Dream on. I tried to pump things up but the inconsistency o this program is too much. Notice that I said "Of the program" not just of the team.RU has a very long way to go to become a decent team. With a few exceptions such as 1976. And 2006. and 1961 RU has been on the lower levels of run of the mill programs for as long as I can remember. Too bad and sad. But too true

Spoken like someone who is not a fan of the team! Go root for someone else then if you’re so disappointed!

 

[Kbee3]

Spoken like someone who is not a fan of the team! Go root for someone else then if you’re so disappointed!

Uh, I think beaced has been a Rutgers fan longer than you've been alive.

 

[BuggsyRU]

If a pass hit a WR in the back shoulder untouched its not a drop.
Stats in football are often silly

You’re a weird guy. Maybe the only guy on this board that would say a perfectly thrown ball that hits a guy in stride right on the numbers had he turned his shoulders even slightly shouldn’t be considered a drop.

Are you just trying to piss people off here? It’s the only thing that makes sense.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Uh, I think beaced has been a Rutgers fan longer than you've been alive.

If he’s been a fan for more than 56 years, he really hasn’t learned how to show it based on that crap post of his.

 

[ClassOf02]

If he’s been a fan for more than 56 years, he really hasn’t learned how to show it based on that crap post of his.

Or…the guy is like 99 years old, likely facing his own mortality, and really hoping to see an awesome year of RU football given his lifetime dedication, knowing he probably doesn’t have many left. Relax a bit.

 

[wheezer]

Spoken like someone who is not a fan of the team! Go root for someone else then if you’re so disappointed!

Way off here

 

[BuggsyRU]

The deck is stacked.

Here in this place Dremel is called Wayne Chrebet and going to the NFL; GW is worst recruit despite winning 7 games and setting RU records, Monangai can win the Heisman, KC is a QB whisperer and so on.

Makes sense that a long ball that is behind and WR is a "perfect pass" and a dropped ball despite never hitting his hands. We cant all be on a spectrum so I'm happy to be on my island

You’re folly would be accurate if it didn’t actually touch his hands as well. Stop being a moron.

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

Sure every play is easy with "adjustments."
WR was so surprised by ball he turned his head away from it.
He never located it and never touched it.
If you ladies want to keep calling it a "drop" I cant help it.
I also never mentioned AK - who I said was making some nice long throws in 4th Q (instead of the usual 4 yarders).

10:36 "ball just bounces off his helmet and shoulder".

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He turned his head and didn't look the ball in, he started looking at the endzone first instead of catching the ball first. Freshman mistake.

 

[Kbee3]

They ran match up zone most of the time but have a lot of man looks pre snap. Other teams packed the box and brought heat. They didn't pack the box but dominated us on the interior line and brought heat from depth off the edge.

The fact that they didn't pack the box and still had their way with RU is very troubling.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Or…the guy is like 99 years old, likely facing his own mortality, and really hoping to see an awesome year of RU football given his lifetime dedication, knowing he probably doesn’t have many left. Relax a bit.

He's been a problem child lately jumping in late on pay side threads and making d-bag comments like this and picking fights. Fancies himself to be a keyboard warrior apparently.

 

[gef21]

The fact that they didn't pack the box and still had their way with RU is very troubling.

I think we out coaches ourselves. I'm gonna talk about my thoughts in a write up soon.

 

[WhichReligionIsRight]

You’re a weird guy. Maybe the only guy on this board that would say a perfectly thrown ball that hits a guy in stride right on the numbers had he turned his shoulders even slightly shouldn’t be considered a drop.

Are you just trying to piss people off here? It’s the only thing that makes sense.

This is normal behavior for him.

 

[mdk01]

If he’s been a fan for more than 56 years, he really hasn’t learned how to show it based on that crap post of his.

You have GOT to be kidding

 

[ashokan]

You’re folly would be accurate if it didn’t actually touch his hands as well. Stop being a moron.

Yikes.

Ball never touched his hands - hit his pads and bounced backwards.
You tried ...*pats head*

 

[ashokan]

He turned his head and didn't look the ball in, he started looking at the endzone first instead of catching the ball first. Freshman mistake.

I think he turned to see ball and was surprised it was in his face.
He actually turns his face away from the ball as it hits him

 

[RU#1fan]

99% of the time that pass is caught in CFB.

 

[RobotHunter]

The fact that they didn't pack the box and still had their way with RU is very troubling.

Nebraska has a nose tackle that is 6'4" 330 lbs that they call Polar Bear so theres that.

 

[Knight Shift]

Spoken like someone who is not a fan of the team! Go root for someone else then if you’re so disappointed!

The King is disappointed, and the King is free to speak his mind. He has rooted for Rutgers for more than 50 years into his 98th year. He may do as he pleases.

 

[kupuna133]

I think he turned to see ball and was surprised it was in his face.
He actually turns his face away from the ball as it hits him

So whose fault is that? Ball being on target and not being caught is a receiver problem not a QB problem.

QB throws to a spot and receiver runs onto it. You speak like someone who’s never played the game but knows everyone’s stats.

 

[sct1111]

The deck is stacked.

Here in this place Dremel is called Wayne Chrebet and going to the NFL; GW is worst recruit despite winning 7 games and setting RU records, Monangai can win the Heisman, KC is a QB whisperer and so on.

Makes sense that a long ball that is behind and WR is a "perfect pass" and a dropped ball despite never hitting his hands. We cant all be on a spectrum so I'm happy to be on my island

You're definitely on the spectrum

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

You're definitely on the spectrum

Which one? He qualifies for multiple. 😉

Plus he keeps trying to argue it wasn't the WR's fault when it's clearly on the WR to adjust their route, body, hands as the ball arrives. I almost feel sorry for this guy...lol.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Yikes.

Ball never touched his hands - hit his pads and bounced backwards.
You tried ...*pats head*

Ugh, if you can’t see it hit his right hand, then not only are you deaf and dumb, you’re also a blind!

 

[BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine]

I think he turned to see ball and was surprised it was in his face.
He actually turns his face away from the ball as it hits him

Not how I see it. He's clearly watching the ball's flight right up to the last millisecond and then slightly turns his head toward the endzone. Can't see with 100% certainty that he took his eyes off the ball from that camera angle, but I can't think of another explanation. I'll cut him some slack with it being a rookie mistake, getting mentally distracted and prematurely celebrating the homerun TD in his head, but any tOSU receiver that dropped a TD pass like that is getting benched lol.

 

[Rokodesh]

3 pages of whether or not it should be considered a drop.

🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[RuSnp]

I forgot - it was Penn St that ditched Kirk.
Then back to Minn and then back RU - where he was fired once before after one of worst seasons in RU history.
Now he makes more than Holloway.
That "year of mastery" sort of talk works well

Oh that is correct - PSU did ditch Kirk. But then again being an OC at PSU under Franklin is like being a Spinal Tap drummer.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Laughing that a couple of you guys really want to lay the drop on AK.
Ok- maybe it could have been 4 to 6 inches further on a 40 yd throw.
And Black was also 5 yds past the defender- a slight adjustment would have had it drop in perfect. Even the pass someone showed trying to say we have ill fitting helmets. WR took a slight half step in order for the ball to drop perfect.

 

[ashokan]

Laughing that a couple of you guys really want to lay the drop on AK.
Ok- maybe it could have been 4 to 6 inches further on a 40 yd throw.
And Black was also 5 yds past the defender- a slight adjustment would have had it drop in perfect. Even the pass someone showed trying to say we have ill fitting helmets. WR took a slight half step in order for the ball to drop perfect.

I don't see anyone (including me) blaming AK.
Play was just not a success for whatever reasons.
If AK has an incompletion all the excuses flow (the wind, the brace, the poor OL).
If a receiver has a problem, a trailing pass hitting pads becomes "perfect" and "in the numbers" despite playing in the same wind.

The helmet/vision thing is well known.
Cars have blindspots and helmets have blindspots.
Anyone who has worn a helmet knows that.
Most players get used to it but its still an issue
The ball came into Black's blindspot (not blaming AK for that)
When even Mahomes complains about helmet/vision problems its obviously a thing.

STUDIES SHOW HELMET VISION PROBLEMS

"Currently, all facemasks, regardless of reinforcement, resulted in impaired PRT and target detection compared to baseline values without a helmet. This supports our previous findings, which showed that wearing a helmet with a single facemask type impairs PRT ( peripheral reaction time)...wearing a helmet, regardless of the facemask or visor type used, impairs peripheral reactive ability compared to not wearing a helmet at all...

In 2011, a patent was issued for a “lateral vision football helmet” (US20110214225A1P) where clear panels formed the sidewalls in an attempt to allow for greater peripheral vision in lateral directions. To our knowledge, this helmet never reached the consumer market, nor was it tested for efficacy. However, our data suggests a dire need for new headgear designs such as this, which may allow for less impedance to peripheral vision which could possibly improve safety and performance."

Protective Football Headgear and Peripheral Visuomotor Ability in NCAA Football Athletes: The Role of Facemasks and Visors

The purpose of this investigation was to determine the effects of varying facemask reinforcement and visor tint on peripheral visuomotor abilities in collegiate football players. Division I NCAA football players (n = 14) completed two peripheral visuomotor ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[ScarletDog]

Ben should have made the catch and be knows it. But I LOVE this kid. How long have we been complaining our WRs can’t get any separation. Ben was making their DBs look foolish. Me want more Ben Black…right away.