Well I think premium content will always get money and the SEC is that but as far as whomever is in the tier below I think you're right. It could limit available viewing windows for the SEC though.
Football BIG TEN CONFERENCE ANNOUNCES GROUNDBREAKING MEDIA RIGHTS AGREEMENTS
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The Big 10 also has a much bigger population base and wealth compared to the SEC. There's not a whole lot the SEC can ever do to change the demographic imbalance between the two conferences. My thought is they take a run (at some point) to North Carolina and Virginia - two large and (relatively) wealthy states that could significantly expand the SEC's overall market. I think demographics ultimately tops on-field prowess, as seen by the value of the comparative TV deals.
I don't disagree on probability but never hurts to try.
I think Cal is down the priority list but you can't rule them out because they have been mentioned in the media so who knows
Sorry - my bad. I misread a Google link. Clemson is still pretty good academically.
I can honestly say I dn't think I've ever heard anyone say that. Maybe it's changed in a few yrs and if so mea culpa but I think they're in the fsu category where they keep failing the kid responsible for ice for the team's water bucket cause he's the only one that knows how to make it lol
Not going to speak to the debt part but as far the 1B part we can't assume that was before USC/UCLA. It could've been the media/public only got half the story. 1B might have been accurate and it may have seemed like it was for 14 teams but behind the scenes the membership might have been fluid and it could have been for 16 teams (with UCLA/USC). The media/public just didn't know that until later. Same could be said for the 1.5B figure thrown out. I wonder if that might not have been if ND and maybe others were included as well but again not public.
The fact that escalators up to 10B exist for additional members makes me believe that might have been the case. The numbers might have been accurate but the composition of the conference they were related to was fluid.
I always favored Cal/Stanford. I hope that happens
Insider: Fox, Big Ten made a big bet on TV future; it paid off Thursday
Insider on the big bet that paid off for the Big Ten and Fox with new TV rights deal.
www.indystar.com
I would like to see the Big Ten add ND, UNC, Washington and one more in the next stage. Oregon, Stanford, Virginia..?
People keep bringing up UNC. Why? First they are a basketball school. Second they aren't like USC and UCLA who hated the PAC12 leadership (as well as their own leadership) UNC is the boss of the ACC. Plus they won't leave without Duke and Duke brings $0 to any conference.
I'm not saying that, just that the number was a bit exaggerated. Big Ten likely would have averaged near $1bn without USC/UCLA.
Instead we'll average $1.2bn with them.
No you said exactly that. Taking off your numbers it gets it to $800mill or less. Where did your $200mill number? Never saw that anywhere. Your numbers are grossly exaggerated. Again please post where you are getting these numbers
Holy Cow. Didn't realize how strong this new money is until I picked this up online:
Annual national media revenue, per reports of deals:
NFL: $10B per year
EPL: $4.2B per year
NBA: $2.6B per year
MLB: $1.96B per year
BIG TEN: $1.07B per year
NHL: $625M per year
SEC: $588M per year
This conference absolutely dwarfs SEC money going forward
Annual national media revenue, per reports of deals:
NFL: $10B per year
EPL: $4.2B per year
NBA: $2.6B per year
MLB: $1.96B per year
BIG TEN: $1.07B per year
NHL: $625M per year
SEC: $588M per year
This conference absolutely dwarfs SEC money going forward
Yup saw that online and in front of other things like PGA, Nascar, MLS, etc..essentially it’s the pro leagues in front.
Need to expand and become more national and touch all corners of the country and then I think you can push further up. ND and into Florida are the next biggest drivers imo. Texas would be great but I don’t see that as realistic. For the time being, round out the west.
Clemson? Good academically? Aren't they the school that was caught inflating admission numbers to elevate their standing in the USNews ranking?
Another tweet I posted touched on this but this is slightly more detailed. Sounds like the networks will help the B10 create scheduling in October for the next year.
Agree. While others may not like the area (I am a huge fan of the area), I do attend games and events in the area and have a great time going out before and after games. Berkeley / Oakland / San Fran may not be for everyone, but neither are many so called "college towns" that I've been to (other than drinking there ain't anything else worth doing at many of them). Seattle (UW Huskies) also is quite fun. That said, Boulder is nice, but its not Denver.
As for market, there are a ton of Cal grads throughout the Bay Area and in California in general.
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Mentioned this possibility before and the move to at least 10 conference games, especially as the B10 expands further.
From the article:
Will the Big Ten play 10 conference games?
Smith said the conference also has to decide whether to add another conference game. He said at least a couple of athletic directors are in favor of playing 10 conference games instead of nine.
“That’s always been talked about," he said. "We haven’t made that decision.”
From the article:
Will the Big Ten play 10 conference games?
Smith said the conference also has to decide whether to add another conference game. He said at least a couple of athletic directors are in favor of playing 10 conference games instead of nine.
“That’s always been talked about," he said. "We haven’t made that decision.”
Two straight weeks of OSU vs. Michigan hype? Gene Smith has warmed to the idea
Ohio State AD Gene Smith likes dropping divisions for Big Ten football.
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*Waves Hand*
This deal is significantly less than even the lowest estimates that were predicted for the last six months (by basically every single person in sports media). I also hate that the games are on twenty different networks (and streaming, which means people over 60 will have a 0.0% chance of just finding the games on their own), but that's less concerning than the $ amount.
Who are basically clueless to the intricacies of the bidding and deals.
Haters are gonna hate.
Warren his multiple grand slams.
Nobody predicted $100/team in 2025-30. Nobody. It is way over what was predicted by anyone.
But the pro sports will always be on top. All we can do is compare apples to apples (college) and with that the B1G is way on top - especially on Fall afternoons
And don’t forget that USC and UCLA initiated the expansion…but I guess he could have vetoed it…so there’s that.
And people will still complain about "NIL makes for an uneven playing field" while completing ignoring media money the Big Ten makes compared to the other 10 conferences.
Will we be making more per year than every other conferences combined?
Did you guys miss this post by @rutgersguy1
"The Big Ten is projected to eventually distribute $80 million to $100 million per year to each of its 16 members. According to USA Today, the league distributed $54.3 million to most of its members during the most recent fiscal year (2019-20) not impacted by the coronavirus pandemic."
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And to our resident Warren haters:
"Warren said his time as an NFL executive -- he worked in the Rams, Lions and Vikings organizations for a total of 21 years -- shaped his vision for the Big Ten's deal. He saw how the league assigned content to different media partners in specific windows, such as Monday Night Football (ESPN) and "Sunday Night Football" (NBC).
"I just believe that competition from a business standpoint makes everyone better," Warren said. "It makes the Big Ten better. It will make Fox and CBS and NBC and FS1 and Big Ten Network better.""
Big Ten completes $7B deal with Fox, CBS, NBC
The Big Ten has completed a new seven-year media rights agreement with Fox, CBS and NBC that is set to bring in more than $7 billion to one of the nation's most powerful athletic conferences.
I heard someone (Danny Kanell?) recently float the idea of the Big Ten and SEC combining media rights in the future - instead of competing.
Then each individual conference doesn't need to deal with logistics of such a large conference (32 teams) but still have the scale of games - similar to the NFL.
Would the sum be greater than the parts?
What estimate? B1G had a number they wanted and got it.
I would presume most people are referring to this report that generated an 11 page thread.
This was prior to USC/UCLA.
Most presumed an opportunity of 1b/14 teams.
Going to 1.2b/16 teams (and those 2.additonal teams having no buy-in for BTN) is quite different.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...-billion-in-place-around-memorial-day.240485/
IMO, no.
B1G has the largest media markets locked up (1-4 are Biggest), minus Texas and Florida. Why dilute it?
1. NY-(B1G)
2. LA (B1G)
3. Chicago (B1G)
4. Philadelphia (B1G)
5. Dallas-FW (SEC)
6. San Fran-Oakland-San Jose (neither)
7. Atlanta (SEC)
8. Houston (SEC)
9. Washington DC (B1G)
10. Boston (neither)
13. Tampa- St. Pete (SEC)
14. Minneapolis (B1G)
15. Detroit (B1G)
17. Orlando (SEC)
18. Miami (SEC)
19. Cleveland (B1G)
I'm not sure why they'd do this. Big is in a position to really drive cf and come out as the lone top dog. This deal, the marketing of the teams, the money is 2nd to none. There isn't going to be money left over for an sec deal and if this works the way Warren believes it will, Amazon etc may want to jump in for licensing etc.
ESPN really fked up here
The day USC and UCLA was announced, $1.4 billion was the floor for estimates on this message board.
By whom, dumb sportswriters speculating? There were a lot of moving parts. See my post above. This deal is multiple grand slams. No reason to be unhappy, unless your name Don Quixote?
it's a grand slam wrapped in a garlic and butter soaked tomahawk steak with fried onions and mushrooms down 3, full count, 2 outs and bottom of the 9th for the olympic gold!! It's a fking winner on so many levels!
