Big Ten Expansion
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Jim Delaney only makes suggestions to membership. It still takes a unanimous vote of the others to give the invite. I don't know where we can find two programs that fit these requirements.
Flip side is Michigan State is clear #2 in a state that doesnt have nearly as many recruits or money as NJ. ANd of course Rutgers was playing a D1AA schedule for the first third of that time period you list, while MSU was playing a full Big Ten level schedule.
Reality is that with the right coach nad commitment, RU can be at least Michigan State level - where it really comes down to getting lucky in picking the coach.
Yes, the idea that Delany is just an influencer on the President's decisions is sort of like saying Steve Jobs just made recommendations to the Apple board of directors.
Then why didnt they expand to 14 in 2010?
The guy has alot of influence - but at the end of the day, you still have to convince 10 or 11 school presidents that they will make more money by adding teams than they will lose from a smaller piece of the pie and playing the name teams less often.
This is a crazy dreamland scenario, but I would love it if the B1G could add Notre Dame and Oklahoma and did what you have here. To spell out the West in that scenario:
Michigan
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Northwestern
Illinois
Nebraska
Four perennially strong programs in the west with the Michigan schools plus Wisconsin and Nebraska.
You would have to protect the Michigan/tOSU rivalry game with permanent crossover status. I don't know that any other crossover games would need to be locked in.
I can't argue with any of that. My point was just that Michigan State has already had the biggest success on the biggest stage, even if it was a generation or two ago. Oregon and Wisconsin have built up their programs to various levels of success after not doing too much of anything in their prior history.
With the right support, Rutgers can get there too, but it's an uphill climb.
Just some more info I came across today. 2014 athletic department revenues for some of the schools that have been discussed here and comparison's to existing B1G programs. Again, not the end all, but another data point and indicator of support for the programs.
1) Texas - $180 million
2) Ohio State - $171 million
5) Oklahoma - $136 million
6) Michigan - $130 million
8) Penn State - $128 million
10) Wisconsin - $126 million
12) Florida State - $121 million
13) Notre Dame - $121 million
20) Iowa - $107 million
23) Minnesota - $105 million
25) Nebraska - $103 million
27) Kansas - $103 million
29) Michigan State - $93 million
31) Indiana - $87 million
34) Virginia - $87 million
35) Maryland - $87 million
40) UNC - $85 million
41) Missouri - $84 million
50) Purdue - $75 million
51) Illinois - $74 million
52) UConn - $72 million
55) Pitt - $71 million
56) Northwestern - $70 million
58) Boston College - $69 million
62) Iowa State - $66 million
63) Georgia Tech - $65 million
64) Rutgers - $65 million
1) Texas - $180 million
2) Ohio State - $171 million
5) Oklahoma - $136 million
6) Michigan - $130 million
8) Penn State - $128 million
10) Wisconsin - $126 million
12) Florida State - $121 million
13) Notre Dame - $121 million
20) Iowa - $107 million
23) Minnesota - $105 million
25) Nebraska - $103 million
27) Kansas - $103 million
29) Michigan State - $93 million
31) Indiana - $87 million
34) Virginia - $87 million
35) Maryland - $87 million
40) UNC - $85 million
41) Missouri - $84 million
50) Purdue - $75 million
51) Illinois - $74 million
52) UConn - $72 million
55) Pitt - $71 million
56) Northwestern - $70 million
58) Boston College - $69 million
62) Iowa State - $66 million
63) Georgia Tech - $65 million
64) Rutgers - $65 million
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They had a chance to expand in 2010 to 14. Why didnt they?
Basically the contention is that Delaney makes all of the decisions and teh schools just rubberstamp whatever he dreams up. And Im countering by saying - if that were true, then they would have expanded to 14 in 2010 instead of waiting a few years. Its not like Delaney didnt want to. He didnt suddenly wake up in 2012 and decide that he needed to add more than Nebraska. But I dont think he had the support for such a rapid move at the time, and didnt get it until the ACC picked up ND and shook things up again.
nosoj - thats good news - our revenues are already within striking distance of several Big Ten teams , despite the fact that we make $15 million less from conference revenues and get basically nothing from basketball.
Nebraska joined the BIG June 11,2010 and if you don't think the additional two were in the works I don't know what to tell you.
Should boost you up past Northwestern, Illinois and Purdue. The next rung may take some work to reach.
I think there may have been some feelers out to gauge interest, however I don't believe a move would have been made when it was if A&M had not gone to the SEC and had Notre Dame, Pitt and Syracuse not gone to the ACC.
Having spent a good deal of time in Michigan, I get the sense that Michigan is the team of the populous southeastern corner of Michigan, while MSU is the clear favorite team in the majority of the state's area (which still has a decent population).
Jim Delaney plays second fiddle to the member pres about who to invite as members. He does the ground work but the CIC is where the money is at. Only if the athletics are deemed strong enough to equal out the schlastic level do they have a chance.
Not sure if this was posted back in August, but here it is:
The rumor a couple years ago was that FSU was on board to join the B1G. They had a 5 year plan to get AAU status, and most schools were on board. I think the usual suspects (UM and Wiscy) were hold-outs, however. FSU and UMD, you'll recall, were the only two ACC schools not to sign the Grant of Rights that has frozen conference realignment for the time being.
If FSU had joined, the plan appeared to be adding at least three more, possibly five to get to 20. The top targets were UNC, UVa, and GT. ND may have been forced to join the Big Ten at that point, but instead they are now a quasi-member of the ACC. Then if the plan were to get to 20, the next schools on the list were Duke (yes, Duke), UConn or Syracuse possibly. But mostly eastern schools.
Imagine a scenario where FSU, ND, UNC, UVa, GT, and Duke joined the B1G. Pods would certainly be optimal. I've had some fun with those:
Pod A
Rutgers
PSU
UMD
OSU
ND
Pod B
FSU
UNC
UVa
GT
Duke
Pod C
MSU
Michigan
Illinois
Indiana
Purdue
Pod D
Wiscy
Iowa
Northwestern
Nebraska
Minny
So you are in the BIG going on your 2nd year and you THINK you know how things operate.Too funny.
Jezz, this speculation is fascinating. Stuff is just all over the place. Too bad someone can't definitively narrow down something like requirements officially. Then we wouldn't have ten pages to wade through.
Personally, I'm against any plan that might halt UConn from dying on the vine. I also despise any inclusion of Fredo. Let them stay with their newfound brethren.
Small Catholic school in the South.
Also, any talk of ACC teams has to include a $50 million exit fee. Seems a HUGE deterrent. How does one get past that?
Personally, I'm against any plan that might halt UConn from dying on the vine. I also despise any inclusion of Fredo. Let them stay with their newfound brethren.
Small Catholic school in the South.
Also, any talk of ACC teams has to include a $50 million exit fee. Seems a HUGE deterrent. How does one get past that?
I just want to point out Rutgers is getting a back loaded deal and Maryland a front loaded deal. I expect Rutgers to be closer to to Maryland and Indiana in a few years.
Do not think basketball will make that much money. Maryland has probablly one of the most profitable bball programs in B1G,but football turned out 33 million and basketball did 16 million, and Maryland had EDSALL COACHING.
I think with Ash and Durkin, even if the records aren't stellar people will be more excited and will pay attention more to those programs and buy more tickets.
To the B1G......sounds like it is too much for you to mentally & emotionally handle.
You been reading and following the sox to long, JD has a lot of pull and auth but, he does not have the right to choose who joins the Big 10. He's the commissioner and membership is voted on by the member pres before any new members are accepted.
