Have there ever been any teams with two lottery picks that had a losing season? Or would Rutgers be the first?
KenPom Only Has Us Favored in 3 of Our Remaining 18 Big Ten Games
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Our bad has far outweighed our good imo. I dont think im being unfair here
Not sure but indiana with romeo langford lost like 12 of 13 big ten games and didnt make the tourney and he was the 14th overall pick. But yeah, I doubt a team with two top 10 picks has finished below .500
Yes we have a choice, but I’d rather be 7-4 right now. Unfortunately, it might take a toll later. I’d take my chances. We are a mess without Dylan on the court.
Yesterday, I watched Haggerty play 44 minutes in a Memphis OT win at Clemson and the Lithuanian stud for Illinois go 37 minutes in a loss to Tennessee. Harper is 75th and Bailey 92nd in minutes played which is high, but until some other players step up, I’m fine with it.
Agreed. Team is nothing without those two. 18 years old, fresh legs, only playing 2 times, sometimes 3X a week max. Theyre fine. Jalen Brunson plays 34 minutes a night in an 82 game league.
This is kind of a low iq take tbh. Within a possession of beating two top 20 teams. Ohio state was a bad loss imo. Far outweighed is kinda a dumb comment to be fair.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But no sane person thinks after these 11 games that we look like a tourney team. No analyst or analytics site believes so either.
So yeah, if youre not a tourney team with two top 10 picks, I think it’s fair to say the bad outweighs the good
Not a given yet both are lottery. Not a NBa scout, but Dylan looking pretty good right now
Not sure where Aces stock is at. Him getting stuffed by SHU was an eye opener. His lack of dunks and blocks is an eye opener if you thought we was long and athletic. He is defintrly long
If we make the tourney it will be by the skin of our teeth. The best thing that can come from this season is more and more high level recruits are inspired to come to RU based on Dylan/Ace and our home court environment...
I mean we went to the wire with two definite tourney teams. Beat a probable tourney team. Two 18 year old kids learning the game. 11 games in. Seems like a low iq take. I don’t think you’re dumb btw. But you’re a Smurf and you’re judgement is clouded by the blu blood pumping through your veins.
We have 2 NBA top picks so on any night we likely have the best 2 players on the court . They seem to play better , as the competition is ramped up ,although they have some stamina issues going from a 32 minute high school or AAU game not needing much effort to a 40 minute intense college game. Pike has to get them 2-3 minute breaks in each half and preferably 2 breaks in first half.
The supporting cast has to get more consistency . Jeremiah was becoming the third scorer in Vegas scoring 10 , 10 and fouling out with 10 minutes and 20 points. Then he struggles since . He is capable of 8 -10 points a game. Cannot have 2 point games. Jordan does some good things but then he tries to do too much. Ogbole and Lathan frankly should see the ball more to get more inside outside action to get PJ and Acuff more looks. We have to team rebound and hit the offensive glass better. We obviously have to play better defense but with this crew we can only get a little better there . The key is getting the offense better like the Alabama and Penn State first half.
Who said guarrantee,? In any event close enough, go shead and bet your house on kenpom.
I did. That's what the phrase normally is. Because past performance in many contexts is absolutely an indicator of future performance.
What are you talking about?
I mean Dylan wasn’t even the Pg of his own high school team. Clearly not ready to be a lottery pick.
And if that happens I predict that those who are claiming right now that we have no shot at making the tournament will move the goal posts and bitch about being a bubble team or play in game… oh and the same folks will still shit on Pike (see the football board this season after the four game slide and then making a bowl game)
It's a good thing that the players haven't given up on the season like so many fans in this thread and on this board.
Pike is terrible with talent evaluation and takes forever to find the right combinations
Every year it happens. I love him but he has an overly simplistic and possibly archaic view of the game.
JMike has scored 4 points and has 4 assists over his last 7 games.
I know he is a willing and athletic defender but we cannot play 4 on 5 offensively in the modern game .
We also cannot have 3 guys on the court with Ace and Dylan that absolutely do not have to be guarded on the perimeter.
When Emanuel , Jmike and Jwill are on the court together, you can literally allow them to shoot all night and help on Dylan and Ace
Essentially playing a triangle and 2
This team will never be great defensively, we need to score 80 a game to have a chance
Every year it happens. I love him but he has an overly simplistic and possibly archaic view of the game.
JMike has scored 4 points and has 4 assists over his last 7 games.
I know he is a willing and athletic defender but we cannot play 4 on 5 offensively in the modern game .
We also cannot have 3 guys on the court with Ace and Dylan that absolutely do not have to be guarded on the perimeter.
When Emanuel , Jmike and Jwill are on the court together, you can literally allow them to shoot all night and help on Dylan and Ace
Essentially playing a triangle and 2
This team will never be great defensively, we need to score 80 a game to have a chance
I can’t remember another Pike season when, in our first 9 games, we played 4 at home, 2 on the road, and 3 at a neutral site.
Since then we’ve played 2 home games and won them both.
I’m cautiously optimistic that those 5 games away from the RAC have prepared us to steal a couple of road wins in the B1G.
Since then we’ve played 2 home games and won them both.
I’m cautiously optimistic that those 5 games away from the RAC have prepared us to steal a couple of road wins in the B1G.
I got a feeling this team will play much better from mid
big ten season on
The issue is making the tourney, if we lose on the road as they get slowly better, the overall record keeps us out
It might require a deep run in the big ten tourney
Who cares? The players determine the games - not some projection.
i am more concerned with the effort in the osu game than the seton hall game... i have seen a million rivalry games across all sports where record and the odds dont matter
i have watched enough of this team already this year with neither of them on the court that it simply is not an option to not have at least one of them on the court at all times save for a blowout or a single possession or two before a media timeout
theres no shot creators out there and it looks pretty much like last years offense without at least one of them out there
no you havent...that's impossible...except for the 1st 2 games it has been a grand total of 2 minutes
agreed on Ace...well I still think he ends up being a high lottery pick just based on potential/youth but I would've thought he would've been a one man phi slamma jamma this season but so far he definitely likes to use his length to just rise up and shoot over people.
We've seen that the committee has the field almost set before conference tournaments and don't put much stock in them. So we'd better take care of business before then or it's going to be get get very uncomfortable. Just once, wouldn't it be nice to not be sweating on Selection Sunday?
Let’s chat after we play 8-10 BIG games please . Ken and NET mean as much as power rankings in the NFL after week 2…mext
Lots of aggressively stated guesses about the future. 🙂
This team is having young team issues which was inevitable. But I've seen progress in almost all the games this team's played so far this season. Progress in sports isn't linear, so there are going to continue to be bad or off games.
The good news is that the team is so young it can keep improving rapidly. The team is nowhere near it's peak performances yet. So for me, the two questions are: (a) can the team find a way to win enough games to make the tournament while improving, and (b) will the team have improved enough by the tournament to put in a good showing.
Much as I'd like to aggressively state some guesses, I guess I'll just wait and see instead.
This team is having young team issues which was inevitable. But I've seen progress in almost all the games this team's played so far this season. Progress in sports isn't linear, so there are going to continue to be bad or off games.
The good news is that the team is so young it can keep improving rapidly. The team is nowhere near it's peak performances yet. So for me, the two questions are: (a) can the team find a way to win enough games to make the tournament while improving, and (b) will the team have improved enough by the tournament to put in a good showing.
Much as I'd like to aggressively state some guesses, I guess I'll just wait and see instead.
Yes the team is young, but most of the improvement needs to come from the 4 transfers.
Not to say Ace and Dylan can't improve in spots....quite frankly not sure what Dylan can improve in. He is doing everything...maybe conditioning?
Not to say Ace and Dylan can't improve in spots....quite frankly not sure what Dylan can improve in. He is doing everything...maybe conditioning?
Right now, we don’t look like, or are playing anywhere near a Tourney team, but it’s early and there is a lot of season left, but they do have to start figuring things out.
Why would we do that? We could look at it and get a more informed assessment of where we are at and what it may take to go where we want to go. kenpom and bart spit out almost the same output as the NET. I suppose you want the NET to determine's everyone's record too.
I was being sarcastic. The OP seemed to be implying that based on KP we were only going to win 3 more games. Clearly these rating systems can tell you where you are but not where you are going to end up ( unless of course your team and every other as well doesn’t get any better or worse over the rest of the season.
Who doesn’t believe we are not a tourney team ? The media ? Or do you give a little more weight to the coaches that have actually played us , like Nate Oates of Alabama and what he said , or Buzz Williams at Texas A & M and what he said about them. In fact , Rutgers is the only team to have a 9 point lead against A&M in the second half and but for some foul disparity , a different result would have occurred.
So you think you are a sane person because your opinion , which is different from Oates and Williams , should be believed.
Maybe your opinion should be better informed. What would be worrisome for this young team is if we are not blowing out the teams we are clearly better than , and then when we stepped up in competition ( Alabama , Texas A& M, Penn State , the 3 best teams we have played ) we were blown out. Guess what ? We are better as we hit the step up in competition. That bodes really well for this Big 10 season as there are no cupcakes and the competition will be good.
