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Brazil - Germany Gold Medal Match

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A good one underway in Rio. Lot of back and forth and after Germany hit the cross bar on an early shot, Neymar just scored a signature goal off of a free kick from about 26 yards out (the graphic on TV was wrong), curling it over the wall and hitting the bottom of the cross bar, just out of the reach of the keeper, and bouncing in for the goal. 1-0 Brazil. And Germany just missed again, with a flicked header going off the top of the cross bar. Exciting match.
 
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And Germany just hit another cross bar in the 35th minute off of a header from a free kick from a few yards outside the side of the box. Brazil lucky to still be ahead...
 
Germany dominating the 2nd half, just scored to tie it up 1-1 on a beautiful cross and redirect by Meyer from about 14 yards out, after a couple of horrible giveaways by the Brazilians in their end. Rooting for Brazil slightly, only because it means so much to their country and they're at home and they already lost on the women's side.
 
Here's a video of Neymar's goal taken by a fan in attendance.

 
Play really heating up, as Brazil is reasserting itself and dominating play the last 10-15 minutes - haven't been able to finish, though. In the 82nd minute now. Could be extra time and would hate to see it end in PKs.
 
Brazil is definitely controlling the extra time. I would also hate to see it end in PKs.

I guess I'm rooting for Germany after watching the US athletes get booed by the Brazilian crowds. Either way, it's been a good match.
 
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Boo Boo Boo
Championship games cannot be decided by PK
Absolute fraudI'll watch horse racing
Boo Boo Boo
Soccer is the biggest sports fraud ever
 
That was crazy intense!!! Great Game, Well Done, Brazil!!!

Perfect Way to close out the Games!!!

PK's are the "perfect way" to "close out" games that have some huge event finals remaining?

EDIT: I'm sure Matthew Centrowitz, the 1st American to win the Men's 1500 since 1908, is damn happy that the games weren't suddenly "closed out" by penalty kicks. That was freakin' amazing!
 
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I've lost all respect for you guys. And you call yourselves sports fans. Drama, sure. Go to the opera. Emotion, sure. Go to the opera. Thrilling. Sure, go to the opera. Great finish. Sure, go to the opera. But, please, don't call that sports. What a sham.
 
Just watched the Del Mar Oaks. Now that was a great finish and not a staged set up.
 
Although I'm not a soccer fan, I understand that some folks are (maybe a couple billion worldwide). But it seems to me that in a big championship game, you should just keep playing until somebody scores. At this level, PKs are basically a coin flip. Thoughts from actual soccer fans?
 
Even better was the Kiwi who got the bronze! That guy wasn't supposed to be anywhere near there! (OK, Centrowitz win was great!)
 
Although I'm not a soccer fan, I understand that some folks are (maybe a couple billion worldwide). But it seems to me that in a big championship game, you should just keep playing until somebody scores. At this level, PKs are basically a coin flip. Thoughts from actual soccer fans?

A tie is like kissing your sister, lol.
 
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Great, great game. Hate PKs, as do most soccer fans - horrible way to decide elimination games. Having said that, it was a pretty exciting PK ending, with the great save by the Brazilian keeper, then Neymar's winner.

Husky - why do you continue to embarrass yourself by posting in soccer threads? PKs suck, but that doesn't negate the beauty of the sport.
 
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Don't have a sister so I wouldn't know, but I'm saying that ties should be played out, maybe one full OT, and then go to sudden death, but keep playing actual soccer.
My suggestion - after the 90 minutes, ease the substitution rules. Allow the team to put any 11 of their available players on the field, even if they've already been subbed out. Play one 15 minute period, golden goal, and allow each team two subs in that period. If no goals, play another 15 minutes and again allow the team to use whatever 11 players it wants. If no goals after the first two overtime periods, take a full 15 minute break before continuing. Repeat until someone scores.
 
Although I'm not a soccer
Great, great game. Hate PKs, as do most soccer fans - horrible way to decide elimination games. Having said that, it was a pretty exciting PK ending, with the great save by the Brazilian keeper, then Neymar's winner.

Husky - why do you continue to embarrass yourself by posting in soccer threads? PKs suck, but that doesn't negate the beauty of the sport.
How can you justify the outcome of the game when you admit the it is a horrible way for the game to be decided. If you truly love the game, then let the game continue to its goal winning end. It seems counterintuitive to argue that this great game should be brought to an abrupt end to allow PKs rather than played to an equally dramatic golden goal. Multiple OT Stanley Cup games - now that's a thing of beauty. And pretty damn exciting.

I've watched enough soccer to appreciate the skill of the players and, in a bow to the Brazilians, the beauty , but the game is completely ruined when the outcome is decided in such a bogus manner. You confuse real excitement with artificially contrived drama. Goals are such a premium in soccer that anything that contributes to making them so relatively easy ( supported by statistics) destroys the very essence of the game. Equally absurd is to reward penalties in the box with a PK. A PK should be awarded, if at all, in circumstances comparable in ice hockey.

If you want beauty, go to a ballet or opera. Soccer can be a great sport. Just get rid of the PK.
 
The whole upper level in the middle of the field was empty

No, it wasn't, unlike at the track-and-field stadium (and then some, actually...). The stadium was actually overflowing. #'s is right. As you know I've been all over "crowd issues" - they've been awful in most venues, most days and nights - but they literally showed people sitting in the aisles of the upper tier during the game yesterday.
 
The whole upper level in the middle of the field was empty
It was officially sold out, with attendance reported as 78,000, which is at capacity. However, reports are that there were thousands more present - the only reason some of the upper deck looked empty is that they allowed the fans to move down and crowd into the lower deck and the lower upper deck. The aisles and concourses were supposedly overflowing. Although nowhere near the 199K reportedly at the 1950 World Cup in the old stadium to watch Uruguay beat their Brazilian hosts, 2-1.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/sports/olympics/soccer-brazil-germany-neymar-live-score.html?_r=0
 
A little dated, but this article sums it up pretty well and offers some reasonable alternatives. I'm not embarrassed by anything I wrote. If anything , soccer should be embarrassed. Yet, today the world's soccer fans are gloating and gushing over the dramatic conclusion. But . c'mon. 9 out of 10 shooters scored on their PK. Imagine deciding the NBA championship on a free throw contest amongst 5 shooters on each team ( statistically harder than PKs) or the World Series on a home run hitting contest amongst 5 batters).

“The penalty shootout is an abomination. It reduces a team sport to a contrived tiebreaker that obliges physically tired and emotionally drained players to step up one by one, trudge half the length of the field and try to shoot down the opponent’s goalkeeper from 12 yards … Ludicrous. Grotesquely, compellingly ludicrous.
Adding to that frustration, it’s been proven that if a shooter kicks a ball to a far corner, it’s physically impossible for a goalie standing at the center of the goal to have enough time to react and reach the shot.Thus, goalies must guess, leaving the fate of many games in the world’s biggest sporting event down to sheer luck."


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpage...atrocious-penalty-kick-shootout/#4862ab257336
 
In certain games, such as when there are future games of a tourney, you just need to end them. I am ok with the pk's in those.

When it's for a championship though, those needed to be played out. Sudden death.

That would be much more dramatic which we know soccer is mostly about.
 
It was officially sold out, with attendance reported as 78,000, which is at capacity. However, reports are that there were thousands more present - the only reason some of the upper deck looked empty is that they allowed the fans to move down and crowd into the lower deck and the lower upper deck. The aisles and concourses were supposedly overflowing. Although nowhere near the 199K reportedly at the 1950 World Cup in the old stadium to watch Uruguay beat their Brazilian hosts, 2-1.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/sports/olympics/soccer-brazil-germany-neymar-live-score.html?_r=0

They didn't look empty at all to me, especially when they were showing the sweeping shots of the stadium from field level, packed all that way though despite the overflow sitting in the aisles, et al. I BELIEVE what he saw was the press area which, at almost every venue, APPEARS "empty" due to the high walls in the press area which, on top of that, is actually every-other-row.
 
A little dated, but this article sums it up pretty well and offers some reasonable alternatives. I'm not embarrassed by anything I wrote. If anything , soccer should be embarrassed. Yet, today the world's soccer fans are gloating and gushing over the dramatic conclusion. But . c'mon. 9 out of 10 shooters scored on their PK. Imagine deciding the NBA championship on a free throw contest amongst 5 shooters on each team ( statistically harder than PKs) or the World Series on a home run hitting contest amongst 5 batters).

“The penalty shootout is an abomination. It reduces a team sport to a contrived tiebreaker that obliges physically tired and emotionally drained players to step up one by one, trudge half the length of the field and try to shoot down the opponent’s goalkeeper from 12 yards … Ludicrous. Grotesquely, compellingly ludicrous.
Adding to that frustration, it’s been proven that if a shooter kicks a ball to a far corner, it’s physically impossible for a goalie standing at the center of the goal to have enough time to react and reach the shot.Thus, goalies must guess, leaving the fate of many games in the world’s biggest sporting event down to sheer luck."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpage...atrocious-penalty-kick-shootout/#4862ab257336

Most people aren't arguing with you about PKs deciding games - they suck and most soccer fans think they suck (and I also agree that not all fouls in the box should be PKs). But you've denigrated the entire game in this thread and previous threads, in which you clearly just don't like soccer.

In an earlier post you said, "Boo Boo Boo, Championship games cannot be decided by PK. Absolute fraudI'll watch horse racing. Boo Boo Boo, Soccer is the biggest sports fraud ever." If you love soccer and hate PKs, like me, you still watch the games, because it's a great game and you live with the PKs. Watching horse racing over soccer means you must not like soccer very much. That's why people are arguing with you.
 
I am not a soccer fan and far from an expert on it, unlike football . I watch the world cup's and olyympics and that's about it. I found yesterday's game exciting and with about 5 minutes left in the overtime I was looking forward to pks . They aren't the best way to to crown a champion , but they were certainly exciting. High drama.
 
I am not a soccer fan and far from an expert on it, unlike football . I watch the world cup's and olyympics and that's about it. I found yesterday's game exciting and with about 5 minutes left in the overtime I was looking forward to pks . They aren't the best way to to crown a champion , but they were certainly exciting. High drama.
You were probably looking forward to PKs because the team's knew that was how the game was to be decided and took the foot off the pedal to run out the clock. Imagine, the strategy of some teams from the outset is to get the game to PKs. That to me destroys the essence of the game, unless the essence of the game is the PKs. If that's the case, then the game is even worse than I originally thought. The game deserves to be denigrated if contrived high drama is substituted for real sports drama. There are plenty of reasonable alternatives.

And yes, horse racing is far more exciting and dramatic and thrilling and beautiful.
 
You were probably looking forward to PKs because the team's knew that was how the game was to be decided and took the foot off the pedal to run out the clock. Imagine, the strategy of some teams from the outset is to get the game to PKs. That to me destroys the essence of the game, unless the essence of the game is the PKs. If that's the case, then the game is even worse than I originally thought. The game deserves to be denigrated if contrived high drama is substituted for real sports drama. There are plenty of reasonable alternatives.

And yes, horse racing is far more exciting and dramatic and thrilling and beautiful.

Agree that the teams took their foot off the pedal . It just made the overtime period very boring that I was looking forward to the pks.
 
You were probably looking forward to PKs because the team's knew that was how the game was to be decided and took the foot off the pedal to run out the clock. Imagine, the strategy of some teams from the outset is to get the game to PKs. That to me destroys the essence of the game, unless the essence of the game is the PKs. If that's the case, then the game is even worse than I originally thought. The game deserves to be denigrated if contrived high drama is substituted for real sports drama. There are plenty of reasonable alternatives.

And yes, horse racing is far more exciting and dramatic and thrilling and beautiful.

Agree that the teams took their foot off the pedal . It just made the overtime period very boring that I was looking forward to the pks.

Neither team took its foot off the pedal last night in the extra time - far from it, the OT was a cracking good session with Brazil desperately trying to score (they wanted no part of PKs) and Germany playing some great defense and countering with conviction.

Husky - once again, you reveal your ignorance of and hatred for soccer - I still have no idea why you post in these threads, other than to troll them.
 
Neither team took its foot off the pedal last night in the extra time - far from it, the OT was a cracking good session with Brazil desperately trying to score (they wanted no part of PKs) and Germany playing some great defense and countering with conviction.

Husky - once again, you reveal your ignorance of and hatred for soccer - I still have no idea why you post in these threads, other than to troll them.
I'm laughing hysterically. Did you take that right from the soccer announcer crib notes - you sound like one of those marble mouth Brit announcers who try to make watching paint dry an Olympic sport. " cracking good session", "countering with conviction" - what a friggin soccer snob. The only reason I watch on Desportes is so I can hear the guy scream Goooooooaaaallll when the unusual happens. Now that's cracking good and done with conviction.
 
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