After they've destroyed the ACC, maybe they'll do a nostalgic 30 for 30 like they did after destroying the BE.
Brett McMurphy reports that FSU and group of 7 ACC Schools are exploring breaking the grant of rights agreement they have with the ACC
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You are putting yourself in Rutgers shoes and not Michigan or OSU or ND shoes. If schools have a $ number that they want and the numbers don't work out there are 2 solutions.
1. An unequal revenue distribution
2. Reducing the denominator
Whoa wait a second. The last TV deal came out better than expected. It's not like OSU and Michigan suddenly became good. What caused that, the addition of Rutgers/Maryland TV markets. Sure, they were going to get a bump in pay but nothing like they saw by these additions. ACC went for what was perceived as more competitive teams instead of markets and look how well that's working out for them.
Rutgers specifically is in no danger for #2. Not even close.
We literally proved our worth ten years ago.
UM and OSU said to themselves "we have a $ we want. If we EXPAND denominator with Rutgers - we get closer to that number."
Legacy Big Ten schools never had to be vetted like that (NW, Purdue, Illinois). They didn't have to prove their financial value. Rutgers has and passed the test.
If they look to reduce the denominator - we aren't getting the cut.
If I look at season ticket sold as a barometer things are no where what they were in the past. Football is not on the right path and the changing landscape of college football (transfer rules and NIL) doesn’t help.
If football remains 4-8 every year and continues to be 4-5 TDs worse than the top of the conference I can’t see the NJ/NY argument holding water.
I am still an avid RU hoops fan. I cut bait on football 4-5 years ago. It will be extremely difficult to keep people interested in Rutgers football if there isn’t any progress. The Schiano 2 bump is starting to really wear off.
Kratch is a simpleton. He hasn't been on the RU beat in I believe 3 years so he knows about as much as any of us on here.
Not according to the metrics that Silverman published. His research was one of the main drivers od the Big10'S decision to invite RU. According to Silverman's stats, RU was a bigger TV draw in the NY/NJ market than the next 4 top college teams combined. Where RU fell off compared to others was outside this region. ND was behind OSU, UM, PSU, and Alabama in the NY/NJ market according to Silverman's research. Of course RU was doing pretty well(not great) back then and ND was not very good.
Just to clarify, Urbana-Champaign is a 2+ hour drive (125 miles) from Chicago, certainly not only an hour away. West Lafayette, IN (Purdue) is actually a few miles shorter to Chicago.
I know it seems like it is impossible to rebuild a reasonable football program, but Schiano is taking way too long and it's primarily his focus on defense 1st and not using talent properly on offense, that frames the viewpoint on football.
A normal football staff that is younger, energetic and has proven to be capable of competency, can get RU to 7-5 4 out of every 5 years and within 1 to 2 scores every other year vs OSU, Michigan or PSU.....OR essentially where Maryland is today.
If we get to that point, things and image improve. It has less to do with 4-8 or being 5-7, it is how RU plays that is the issue.
It is - but a 7 win season would heal all of that. Not saying it will happen, just that things could change fast.
I don’t understand
If RU caused a big jump in revenue for the big ten, it makes sense that if you eliminated RU, the reverse will happen, less revenue per team
So, RU should be secure
Sorry I thought it was closer, but the point still stands that their own state’s major flagship public university is located nearby (2 hours away instead of 1). I’m not hating on NW. Chicago just isn’t a potential breeding ground for a high volume of bandwagon NW fans. Casual fan support is much more likely to go to Illinois when they do well.
Rutgers is in a completely different situation. The university is located directly within in the NY metropolitan area. There are no other public universities located in this region with D1 football programs. New York’s Two pro football teams play their games in our state. Rutgers is the flagship school for the area. Metro NY will support it if we can figure out how to win.
NJH,
I’ll 100% defer to you on this one. I was all in RU football had 8 season tickets with 2 in AuDI club. The losing just sucked everything out. College football is dead to me as I find the NFL a superior product.
I just get the sense that progress isn’t being made. Similar to basketball isn’t the 1st 2-3 years crucial to success of a new regime.
Maybe. I am not sure what really was the inflection point for the hoops program. I am guessing it was some where near the middle of the pre-COVID season
I think we made a lot of progress on defense. We also made progress in landing a high profile QB, it’s just that to this point he hasn’t panned out.
The offensive line truly started at ground zero and our prospects for improvement begins and ends there. Pacheco’s success in the NFL tells the accurately a bleak story of just how far behind we once were. Pacheco was basically a pedestrian RB at RU because we had no talent on the line to run block and no pass game threat whatsoever. If the line improves (we’ve brought in enough of them at this point - someone has to pan out right?), we find a decent wide out or two, and figure out a servicable QB to plug in we’re not going to be that bad. We don’t need an elite QB - we just need someone decent. And we have good running backs on the roster. We need the OL to help them.
It’s a different type of sport. We need to go to a bowl game. And not with 5 wins. The real way. That’s the bar.
I don’t have the answers. Was the jump in revenue due to the formation of the B1G network and cable companies including it in packages?
I’ll definitely admit I am making arguments without facts. However what occurred 10 years ago as RU $ impact of entering doesn’t have to equal RU $ impact of leaving.
If tomorrow Notre Dame replaced Rutgers in B1G I’d have to think it would be a net gain for the conference monetarily.
The only real threat to RU is the conferences getting too big and all the blue bloods deciding to form that 30 team super conference. I still firmly believe if that happens it would be for football only, but who knows. Whatever happens - since money talks, I don’t think March Madness will ever become simply an end of season bracket of 30 super football teams. Not seeing it - too many Villanova, UConn and Duke type teams out there and throwing them aside waters down the product.
Agree. This I do think is something that may begin perculating for discussion in 2030. It will be driven by some schools (e.g., Alabama, Ohio St., Texas, USC, Georgia, Clemson, etc.) wanting more dollars and not wanting to have an even split with what they percieve are the inferior programs in their conferences and the networks seizing on that to create an true junior NFL level product for Saturdays in the fall. I think 2030 because Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 begin to renegotiate then and ACC is out after that. At most short deals to about 2035 and then the pure break.
The Yankees don’t want to play 162 games against the Boston Red Sox, they like have games sprinkled in against the Cleveland Indians, Minnesota Twins and Baltimore Orioles. The best teams need some patsies to beat up on and get their bench players some experience. And if one of the patsies can turn things around and have a great season, it makes a great story. I really don’t see a smaller group of top schools breaking away, the current system works well for them.
I like the optimism and hope that is how things shake out, but we all know that in the end the Benjamins will make the decision. Hopefully, there isn't enough of them. But one never knows in this day and age of Survivor college sports where you need more money than ever just to play. It just is what it is.
You should have stopped when you said you are making arguments without facts. And then thrown in without reason. Sorry for being so coarse and blunt, but been wondering wtf is your point or basis for your posts in this thread other than idle speculation. RU is not going to get thrown out of the B1G for another team. Not going to happen. So-called self loathing nonsense like what you posted is ridiculous.
I don’t think facts really come in to play with the general premise that if our football program stays a joke it is likely that schools looking for more money are not going to sit by and allow Rutgers to get a huge piece of pie.
Our geographic location isn’t enough to keep us in the conference. At some point we have to show we are capable to be competitive.
I guess my point/take is Conference shuffling is not a positive for us while our football program is where it is at.
It’s not like we are so much worse than several other teams in the conference, and the top schools need some easy games in the schedule.
Have been reading your posts in this thread the last few days SMDH trying to figure out what you have been trying to say. Still have no idea, but your post makes it clear. You sound like a typical fair weather fan- have fun with the basketball team now they they are are winning after 20 years of being terrible. Guessing you only recently became an avid basketball fan.
The footballs team is not a joke, it is rebuilding after two bad hires and a horrific AD pre-Hobbs. It generally takes longer to rebuild football than basketball, but Greg is setting the foundation and righting the ship. It remains to be seen if he can turn RU into a winner. If he cannot, the foundation will be set that was eroded by the previous 8 years of incompetence, and another coach will get us there.
You should check your history on other conference members before calling "your" team a "joke."
Wisconsin- 10 straight losing seasons 1964-1973; 15 out of 18 seasons were losing in this period.
Up until Barry Alvarez' 3rd season, Wisconsin had 8 straight losing seasons 1985-1992.
Northwestern-26 out of 29 seasons from 1964-1994 were losing seasons. Eight of these were 0 or 2 win seasons. NW is still in the conference. They were not booted.
Indiana-12 straight losing seasons 1995-2006. 18 out of 19 seasons losing records through 2014. They were not booted
Purdue- 14 out of 15 seasons 1981-1996 were losing seasons. Then 7 out of 9 seasons 2009-2015 were losing seasons. They were not booted.
All of those schools had longer losing stretches in football than Rutgers over the last 8 years. But you call Rutgers a joke? We have some great fans.
It's interesting how things have changed. We've gone from the B12 being on life support and considered likely to no longer be a P5 conference to the B12 now looking stable or still growing while doom is predicted for the ACC and the P12.
This kind of instability is probably not good for the health of the support. Missing in action in all of this is the NCAA,
This kind of instability is probably not good for the health of the support. Missing in action in all of this is the NCAA,
It would be a good point if you strip all money considerations. In football, 30 or so teams could easily be split into a league with 3 divisions of 10-12. The 12 team play off bracket would hypothetically fit neatly into that carve out model and have plenty of fan appeal.
The arrangement flat out doesn’t work for hoops as a carve out because it would be far less profitable to design a separate playoff system restricted to this super league that would kill March madness than to simply have each of the 3 super league sub divisions be regular hoops divisions with autobid qualifiers under the existing system.
I will say this though -even if this were to happen, RU is far from dead man walking. The division with Ohio State, Michigan, PSU, USC and UCLA would need 5-7 more teams. We need to become more competitive in a hurry because all else equal, our location is far more desirable than most of the other choices. Wisconsin and Iowa probably make the cut. But after that?
Yeah this is true too with ND’s nearby geography. Doesn’t help.
Again, we are not in this situation. Ironically, the silver lining of hope in our horrible on field play has been regularly present on those Monday mornings local media sports updates when Big Blue and Gang Green lose.
If you haven’t, tune in the next time all 3 lose. Often you’ll hear a lead in along the lines of - “rough weekend in town on the grid iron - Gang Green and Big Blue both fall. In the local college ranks, Rutgers loses another rough one - this time at the hands of Ohio State…”. Yes - the losing sucks - but we are routinely grouped with the NY pro teams in the updates. That’s good for us. Now we just need the news to swing positive.
You hit the nail on the head. Excellent post.
Sometimes Rutgers fans are extreme because our emotions get the best of us. Knight Shift, you know I get emotional, especially with the Mets. Lol
It's the scarlet-colored glasses that confuse our ability to make rational observations. If they could see the big picture, then they are likely to walk back some of those comments.
I was a hoops fan throughout. Season ticket holder 20+ years.
What happened in the past with teams losing is irrelevant. Things are completely different now.
What happened in the past with teams losing is irrelevant. Things are completely different now.
We need to meet up at a tailgate, and do a sing along. When Vogelbach gets cut, he can join us. We will sing (I really miss Whitney Houston 😭, such a tremendous talent and beautiful woman):
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Winning is more important than ever right now for us. In both sports. I understand why many fans tune out during constant losing but it’s now about survival and we’re in the fortunate position where we probably can control our destiny with success on the field. It doesn’t matter how a team like Wake Forest performs - they will be on the outside looking in.
That pretty much is my point. You win and you fill the bandwagon. In 2023 the size of your bandwagon has strong correlation with future success on the field. It is a major turnoff to me but it is reality.
Daniel Vogelbach and Whitney Houston in the same sentence? I am going to guess you have a better chance of a perfect bracket then to see that.
