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Brett McMurphy reports that FSU and group of 7 ACC Schools are exploring breaking the grant of rights agreement they have with the ACC

Daniel Vogelbach and Whitney Houston in the same sentence? I am going to guess you have a better chance of a perfect bracket then to see that.
The odds are in my favor.
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That pretty much is my point. You win and you fill the bandwagon. In 2023 the size of your bandwagon has strong correlation with future success on the field. It is a major turnoff to me but it is reality.

I think your looking at this the wrong way. It’s always good for sport when winning is meaningful. In Rutgers case, the stakes of every football game we play right now are higher than ever. Not so much on the downside but on the upside. They aren’t kicking us out so fast if we don’t get to a bowl. We just need to avoid 70 point poundings that make national news. But we’re in a position where a couple big wins could really change the trajectory of our program. That should be exciting - why resent it?

You may not like the reasoning behind why the stakes of our football game have become higher and it’s not the case for some other programs based on their geography. Perhaps you even feel bad for teams like Wake Forest that could have great seasons and it won’t much matter.

But the reality is we’re Rutgers fans. For Rutgers, this season, delivering even a 7-6 season would be huge for our trajectory and the future of all of our sports programs. Of all times when it was important to support the program, now that’s the case more than ever.
 
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I don’t think you are understanding what I am saying. I am not saying Rutgers in 2023. I am saying the game in 2023 and beyond has changed where the pockets of the fanbase will be the variable with the strongest correlation to winning. It is crucial that Rutgers starts winning now.
 
I don’t think you are understanding what I am saying. I am not saying Rutgers in 2023. I am saying the game in 2023 and beyond has changed where the pockets of the fanbase will be the variable with the strongest correlation to winning. It is crucial that Rutgers starts winning now.

Yes exactly. So instead of being disgusted with the underlying money motivatin behind it, why not try to move past it and simply be grateful that we are in a position to help shape our future based on our performance on the field. Every game we play is meaningful.
 
Yes exactly. So instead of being disgusted with the underlying money motivatin behind it, why not try to move past it and simply be grateful that we are in a position to help shape our future based on our performance on the field. Every game we play is meaningful.
I am feeling more and more of a detachment from the team and the college. That becomes a personal feeling. I understand it is identical to pro sports where the player is just wearing the uniform and not playing for your city because he likes the city or lives in it.
 
And to think there are Rutgers fans who still want the ACC over the B1G to this day.
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It's always been about stability and security. We knew the ACC (along with ESPiN) would never give teams that luxury since they continued to raid the Big East. ESPiN undersold the value of some programs, ignored others who could have helped, and oversold some worthless teams.

Stability, security and culture.
 
And to think there are Rutgers fans who still want the ACC over the B1G to this day.
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It's always been about stability and security. We knew the ACC (along with ESPiN) would never give teams that luxury since they continued to raid the Big East. ESPiN undersold the value of some programs, ignored others who could have helped, and oversold some worthless teams.

I don't know how many still want the ACC over the Big Ten but I would still argue purely from a football competitive perspective: the ACC is probably a better conference for Rutgers than the Big Ten.

Arguably the AAC would be best for football competativeness - especially now that the 12 team playoff guarantees a playoff spot for the best G5 team.
Win the watered down AAC over Temple and Tulane and you're in the playoff.
 
On the surface it would appear to be a Shakespearean tragedy if the ACC's demise is directly a result of ESPN raiding the BE on multiple occasions, although I would more consider it a comedy. ESPN hubris was and will be the ACC's downfall.
I mean, their downfall is being a bunch of mostly middling to bad football schools with modest fan bases in smaller markets. The rest is just the inevitable results of that.
 
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I don't know how many still want the ACC over the Big Ten but I would still argue purely from a football competitive perspective: the ACC is probably a better conference for Rutgers than the Big Ten.

Arguably the AAC would be best for football competativeness - especially now that the 12 team playoff guarantees a playoff spot for the best G5 team.
Win the watered down AAC over Temple and Tulane and you're in the playoff.
This football “program” would fall to the bottom of whatever we are in right now.
 
The Yankees don’t want to play 162 games against the Boston Red Sox, they like have games sprinkled in against the Cleveland Indians, Minnesota Twins and Baltimore Orioles. The best teams need some patsies to beat up on and get their bench players some experience. And if one of the patsies can turn things around and have a great season, it makes a great story. I really don’t see a smaller group of top schools breaking away, the current system works well for them.
Not the same analogy. The Yankees keep their media rights. The closer analogy is the NFL and the blue bloods being just a notch below will command huge dollars for Friday/Saturday with the NFL keeping Thursday/ Sunday. By then college players may also be outright paid.
 
I agree with Pitt to the B12. They will end up with a nice neat Eastern division of WVU, Iowa State, Cincy, UofL, Pitt, and UCF with a few more ACC leftovers. The east west border could be defined by the Texas border.
 
I don't know how many still want the ACC over the Big Ten but I would still argue purely from a football competitive perspective: the ACC is probably a better conference for Rutgers than the Big Ten.

Arguably the AAC would be best for football competativeness - especially now that the 12 team playoff guarantees a playoff spot for the best G5 team.
Win the watered down AAC over Temple and Tulane and you're in the playoff.
If RU were in the AAC, the recruiting would spiral down accordingly, as well as the fan support
The one thing you can’t do is project the current level of the team and figure it sustains with that move
What you then have is a RU team as a middle of the pack AAC team

I would never be thrilled to keep rebuying season tickets
 
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If RU were in the AAC, the recruiting would spiral down accordingly, as well as the fan support
The one thing you can’t do is project the current level of the team and figure it sustains with that move
What you then have is a RU team as a middle of the pack AAC team

I would never be thrilled to keep rebuying season tickets
If RU was in the AAC, they'd have to tarp off the upper decks as fan interest would be downright awful.
 
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If RU was in the AAC, they'd have to tarp off the upper decks as fan interest would be downright awful.

Even with competing for a CFB Playoff spot?

Tulane would have made the playoffs last year by winning the AAC. And now the AAC is losing Cincinnati, UCF and Houston.
 
Even with competing for a CFB Playoff spot?

Tulane would have made the playoffs last year by winning the AAC. And now the AAC is losing Cincinnati, UCF and Houston.
Our fan interest, already on the downswing, imo, would crater

There is no reason to speculate on this anyway
 
Why should Ohio State get the same amount of revenue as Northwestern. These moves are all about money. Sometimes when we can't control the numerator we shift our focus to the denominator.

Northwestern has the Chicago market and Rutgers has the NJ/NY market, but if you know these schools are going 2-8 in conference and losing by 3+ TD every time they play the better schools people in those areas won't watch Rutgers. Unfortunately capturing the NJ/NY and CHI market could be best done by getting ND.
IMO whatever your religion exposes.... it doesn't include the Damned Domed coming to a venue near you.

ND is ego and narcissism, meeting money and lots more where that came from.

MO
 
Went to the Sorrycuse board to see how they're taking the news. They are hysterical except for a few who are still in denial. It can't be happening to a more deserving fanbase.
 
There is a reason expansion decisions are made by business professionals and not "fans".

Fans (including all of us) are dumb.

If Rutgers wasn't "worthy of the money" then the smartest conference in the country wouldn't have invited us.
So tired of this "Rutgers was invited as some sort of charity" narrative people.
There was minimal risk in inviting Rutgers.

Otherwise we wouldn't have been invited.
We were invited based on a business paradigm that is slowly changing. There is no harm in admitting that piece. We were worth it at the time. Had we been passed over that 2nd time where get to the bid the window may have closed on us to the BIG for sure and who knows about others.
 
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