He is GONE. He did a bad job on and off the field. He was in over his head. We all know it. We all know the sky is blue, so what. There is nothing to be gained by bringing him up every time we lose a game. Let's get behind this team and move forward.
Can we stop the Flood threads!
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It depends. Can we stop maligning our new staff, and spreading negativity around our program?
It seems to me that the reason people keep going back to the past and pointing out Flood is because you have other people who want to suggest that our new coaching staff is no good. So you have certain posters (4 or 5 of them), incessantly going after the new staff in every thread. Then you have the rest of us trying to explain that its going to take more time before we can fairly judge the new staff.
It seems to me that the reason people keep going back to the past and pointing out Flood is because you have other people who want to suggest that our new coaching staff is no good. So you have certain posters (4 or 5 of them), incessantly going after the new staff in every thread. Then you have the rest of us trying to explain that its going to take more time before we can fairly judge the new staff.
ideally we would never type his name again. But if people keep saying this staff sucks after 4 games, 5 games, even 2 years whenever we lose a game then people will reply that Flood decimated the program with craptastic recruiting and that you have to give the new staff time
They will stop on their own as soon as the misguided and misinformed people here stop blaming Ash for everything that Flood did.
When did I ever blame this staff for anything? They haven't been here long enough to ruin the program or turn it around. They are learning but from where I stand they are doing a good job. But if people want to criticize them for what they are doing now they can, this staff is here now doing things. Thus, you can agree or disagree accordingly. Flood is gone, he is no longer doing anything. What is left to criticize? He screwed the program up. If he were still here and you were trying to get him removed I would understand it. But he is gone, nothing to be gained from bringing him up. Move on.
I have argued in multiple threads that people calling Ash a bad coach don't know what they are talking about he is a good coach making a few rookie mistakes.
I have also argued that people blaming Flood for every bad thing that happens to this program also don't know what they are talking about Ash has made some mistakes and I see no issue to be called out on it.
I have also argued that people blaming Flood for every bad thing that happens to this program also don't know what they are talking about Ash has made some mistakes and I see no issue to be called out on it.
I hear you, but what there is really nothing to be gained from is blaming the new staff for certain things. That is not only ignoring the situation, but damaging to their efforts to turn it around. As fans, I feel strongly that we should be trying our best to maintain a positive energy around the program. That will help recruiting.
Disasters of epic proportions will be talked about many many years after it happened. That's just how it is.
People got offended when Flood got criticized when he was the coach. He is no longer the coach and yet people are still getting offended. Funny phenomenon - this loyalty towards one of the most incompetent coach in Rutgers history.
People got offended when Flood got criticized when he was the coach. He is no longer the coach and yet people are still getting offended. Funny phenomenon - this loyalty towards one of the most incompetent coach in Rutgers history.
Exactly. The Flood threads will stop when the Flood damage is repaired. Sadly, that might not be for another three, maybe even four, years.
Who's offended? That isn't why I posted. I don't care if you liked Flood or not. The point is that we all know he did a bad job. We are in this mess very much because of his mismanagement of the program. We know that. Point made. We beat New Mexico, let's post that five hundred times. How about posting that Trump won the Republican nomination. Maybe someone doesn't know that yet. Move on, support this group. Criticize their mistakes and praise their accomplishments. Debate their moves as they are being made. To those of you who keep bringing Flood up, maybe you don't know it yet..... He is gone.
Don't read the threads if you don't want to. Flood was here last year and we are paying dearly for his incompetence. There's a lot of anger and frustration in the fanbase because of the bad job he did.[/QUOTE]
Who?
Who?
Who?
Have seen maybe two or three posters who have said there is a problem with the coaching.
Is this to say we cannot question ANYTHING about the new coaching staff and game decisions, and just have blind faith in everything they do? Because there will always be things to debate or quibble with. In this regard, it is a new coaching staff, and at least for Chris Ash and Drew Mehringer, who have never been in their roles in a P5 program, mistakes will be part of the learning and growing process.
And for those who complaining about people who are calling Ash a bad coach---isn't starting and posting in numerous threads about how bad CL is basically saying Chris Ash and Drew Mehringer are making a bad coaching decision?
Flood caused negative media and tons of recruiting bridges to be burned. What you have now on the field is his direct mess and product.All the people who supported him,just want to put fingers in their ears,and pretend Flood never happened. Its those posters who still cant face the truth.
Right now, the way this team was built and the last 3 years of recruiting, Ash and his staff shouldn't be judged on how Rutgers looks this year.
But claims of Ash and his staff being good must be held off until he he/they prove they are and I say year 3 will give the college football world an indication on what kind of HC Ash is and just how competent he is when it comes to hiring his assistants.
Ash might look like he has the potential to be a great hire by the way he is doing his job now, but the proof is in the pudding he'll be serving up to RU FB fans by the end of year 3.
Did the taste improve will be the question and if it's a yes we can say he's doing a good job.
If it tastes like the same old s#1t, we can feel it might have been a mistake for RU to hire him and he isn't as good as we hoped he'd be.
W-L won't be the deciding factor as far as I'm concerned, but against middle of pack B1G programs it will count a bunch.
How RU plays the top B1G programs will be a major indicator, if still being blown out that might show little to no improvement and a reason to worry.
If RU plays competitive games against the best of the B1G in year 3, RU might have found a winner in Ash.
Who is saying that it never happened? Read my posts. Truthfully, Flood was horrible. Yes, he is responsible for most of the problems we now face. WE ALL KNOW THAT. How many times do the Flood haters have to say it.
No it is not, since your QB corps is what it is. Flood never even tried to give the other players any playing time or practice. From the articles I read, they could only study the playbook and visualize plays. The end result is that we are now stuck with a bunch of players who may or may not be good but are extremely far behind where they should be and just can't start at this time. Ash and Drew are doing the best they can to get Oden up to speed but he is a True Freshman and not one of those 5 star true freshman that can go to town on elite teams, but they are basically forced to go with the only QB with any playtime, which sadly happens to be CL. That is 100% Flood's fault.
CL is trying the best he can, what we are seeing is the best that he got. It is not only on him, the OL isn't that great either and the WR can't get separation or catch anything besides Harris.
Besides Grant, our best players on Offense are the Running Backs, but you can't just run all the time or defenses will get smart to that. We saw that with OSU, once GS realized that we couldn't pass worth a damn after the 1st qr, the run game got stopped cold in its tracks.
It is what it is but these guys are smart and they will get the players that we need to improve and fix the problems that you are seeing now.
It's so hypocritical. The same people who defended Flood are now the same people who are hammering the staff for playcalling. They claim that the problem isn't the talent level. They say the problem is Mehringer.
YET, in 2012 these people were blaming talent level as the reason why the offense was inept. Even though the team was loaded - talent wise.
When the secondary was bad in 2013 and we were getting torched by AAC teams, they again blamed the talent. They said Schiano left the cup board bare.
..... TODAY we're supposed to go mano o mano with the number 2 team in the country. It's not the talent, it's the coaching! So, stupid.
Flood should only be brought up when talking about how bad this team is, as well as next years.
Then we can start to move away from the Flood mess.
Football is a huge cargo ship. It takes lots of time to turn around. If someone says we should be going the other way, you look at the guy who steered you in that direction. Not that guy turning the ship around.
Then we can start to move away from the Flood mess.
Football is a huge cargo ship. It takes lots of time to turn around. If someone says we should be going the other way, you look at the guy who steered you in that direction. Not that guy turning the ship around.
I respectfully disagree. Ash and Mehringer can do more. Besides that, it is a brand new offense. Think Gio deserves a shot. Not sure what happened to the QB Ash recruited, Allen, and while it seems to be he fell off the depth chart, why not Rettig? Ash said this week that Oden is a long way off from starting.
How can Flood not be mentioned when his fingerprints are all over the problems we are currently facing? How can you not bring up Flood when talking about why Laviano is still playing? Or why none of our WRs can get open? People have detailed very well the talent void left by Flood. How can you not talk about that void without bringing up Flood?
Besides, why would bringing Flood up annoy anybody? Unless you are one of his defenders. Is doing Rutgers any harm to bring up Flood? NO IT DOESN'T.
For the good of the program, and to help recruiting, you actually would want the blame to be directed at FLOOD.
To solve the current problem, we need an influx of talent. Lots of it. Especially on OFFENSE. Guys like NJHawk saying the problem isn't talent it's the play calling, aren't helping us reel in guys like Sitkowski or hold on to Taylor.
If you want what is best for Rutgers, the mantra should be our problems were caused by Flood - now he's gone - so, you can come play for us now.
As you said, the problems are connected with Flood. Therefore, Flood's name will be repeated over and over again until those problems are fixed.
Besides, why would bringing Flood up annoy anybody? Unless you are one of his defenders. Is doing Rutgers any harm to bring up Flood?
If you want what is best for Rutgers, the mantra should be our problems were caused by Flood - now he's gone - so, you can come play for us now.[/QUOTE]
First of all, constantly bringing it up accomplishes nothing, good or bad. It is nothing more than restating the obvious. Secondly, not one recruit will come here because Flood is gone. They will come because Chris Ash is here not because Kyle Flood is not. Do you really think Chris Ash goes into a recruits living room and says "come to Rutgers because I am not Kyle Flood".
If you want what is best for Rutgers, the mantra should be our problems were caused by Flood - now he's gone - so, you can come play for us now.[/QUOTE]
First of all, constantly bringing it up accomplishes nothing, good or bad. It is nothing more than restating the obvious. Secondly, not one recruit will come here because Flood is gone. They will come because Chris Ash is here not because Kyle Flood is not. Do you really think Chris Ash goes into a recruits living room and says "come to Rutgers because I am not Kyle Flood".
First of all, constantly bringing it up accomplishes nothing, good or bad. It is nothing more than restating the obvious. Secondly, not one recruit will come here because Flood is gone. They will come because Chris Ash is here not because Kyle Flood is not. Do you really think Chris Ash goes into a recruits living room and says "come to Rutgers because I am not Kyle Flood".[/QUOTE]
No, but do you think they will come if they think Mehringer is a bad coach?
Oh, and we've heard from many recruits that they didn't even consider Rutgers because of Flood. So, yes, reminding recruits that Flood is gone can only help.
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No, but do you think they will come if they think Mehringer is a bad coach?
Oh, and we've heard from many recruits that they didn't even consider Rutgers because of Flood. So, yes, reminding recruits that Flood is gone can only help.[/QUOTE]
I quarentee you that this staff NEVER mentions Floods name when they are on the recruiting trail. NEVER.
Floods demise had more to do with the off the field issues rather than his coaching ability. He was much too lenient and ultimately lost control of his team. He also was a poor recruiter. Right now I don't see Ash or his OC to be any better. As a first year he gets a reprieve,however, if he was to have a similar season next year people would begin to question his ability as a HC and recruit. Sooner or later the excuses begin to wear thin.
There you have it. And people wonder why Flood's name keep getting brought up.
There are at least 20 or more posters on here that keep stirring the pot. You might be one of them.
Slyker, Rutgersbig ( i think that his handle anyway), Plumstreet, RU31Trap, Knight Shift
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Many players recruited over the past few years left the team due to other issues during his tenure. See todays article on NJ.com. Maybe we can hire someone from a top program like, Ohio State, who could coach up the talent or focus on proper hydration. Yeah Flood didn't provide enough Gatorade or....... Kool-Aid!
Umm, no. I fully support Ash. I have minor quibbles with some of the offensive decisions and play calling (Iowa game), but as a first time head coach and a first time P5 OC trying to run a new offense with personnel not suited for the new offense, they should get some slack to work things out and find there way. Challenge you to find where I "stirred the pot." I stand behind the current coaches and will not resort to finger pointing or negativity, because IMO, it is counterproductive to moving forward. Peace out.
Next year will be the same or worse. The schedule is just as hard.
A lot of seniors on this team. They will all be gone next season.
That is reality. By year 3 will should start to see some progress.
A lot of seniors on this team. They will all be gone next season.
That is reality. By year 3 will should start to see some progress.
