I believe you posted this, Yes? Definately stiring the pot by trying to defend flood.
So there we have it. You've been added to the list.
Can we stop the Flood threads!
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Ahmir Mitchell's quote said it all.
"Throughout my entire recruitment, Rutgers was always within the top three," he said. "For a while they were leading. It basically came down to the staff. And now that they have a better staff at Rutgers, that's what made me basically want to come back home along with everything going on back at home with my family and stuff like that. So it just seemed like a good fit and every aspect just pointed back home."
"Throughout my entire recruitment, Rutgers was always within the top three," he said. "For a while they were leading. It basically came down to the staff. And now that they have a better staff at Rutgers, that's what made me basically want to come back home along with everything going on back at home with my family and stuff like that. So it just seemed like a good fit and every aspect just pointed back home."
Earlier today I counted six different threads with Flood's name in them and all were about how Flood killed this program. That is what prompted my post. If anyone is stirring a pot it is the people who constantly post how bad he was. Also, why do you insist that the people who respond are supporting Flood. Occasionally someone does, why, I don't know. He was in way over his head and it was only getting worse. This staff is very young and new. They are learning on the job. They will make mistakes along the way. If fans want to criticize their mistakes they can. It doesn't mean they think the coaches are bad nor does it mean they think Flood was better. But constantly reminding us how bad Flood was is of no productive value at all. How many times must we be informed that he was a bad coach and a bad recruiter. Okay, I get it, he stunk. Now what?
You must have missed all the people that were ready to kill the staff, and football team after the OSU game. The flood threads are there to remind people exactly why we are so bad.
I thank him for his consistently loyal and dedicated service to his former employer, and I wish him well in his future endeavors away from The Banks of The Old Raritan.
And that is critical of the current staff? That's a stretch. That was in response to the Flood recruiting classes. My point of the post is that teams with lowly recruited classes/players can play competitively with top tier programs and not look completely outclassed. Despite the score, I think RU looked worlds better than Stanford against Washington. We gave up three huge plays--yes, the result was the same, but we were not getting manhandled in the trenches.
I have posted this before.
While we got thrashed by tOSU, I am not buying in to the negatoids here who think we are going to get steamrolled for thee next 2-3 years because we have a bunch of players who are Flood's recruits. I understand and accept we are going to take our lumps as new coaches install new schemes with players not suited for the scheme. If you think that and my original post are being critical of the coaches, I suggest you grow a thicker skin or develop some more critical thinking skills. OK?
Didn't miss anything. If people want to criticize the coaching staff after a loss they can. It doesn't mean they want Flood back. That is the nature of the beast. Last year Flood was legitimately attacked after blowout losses. And yes, the reason for the loss was the talent disparity between the two teams which goes back to recruiting. But that doesn't mean that this staff had no responsibility in the loss. But criticizing and praising the coaches who are here now is legitimate. They are the ones making the current decisions. blaming Flood over and over again really wears thin.
I am not killing Ash and no one has asked RU to compete with Ohio State....that has never been stated by anyone, at anytime....at the same time, people the week before were making the excuses that Iowa was a 14 point favorite and miles better than RU, which was never true...they were ranked based on reputation, but after 2 games, it was crystal clear, that it was nowhere near the same team as last year.
Iowa was grossly overrated and came in not playing well and a win there takes the program to a completely different level, where if you lose to OSU 58-0, you can probably still say "it's OSU".......RU played outstanding vs Iowa, despite the QB play and some referee helping the Hawkeyes....but the fact remains that RU should not be held to 116 yards of total offense vs anyone, not even Ohio State, Alabama etc....and Iowa gave up chunks of yardage and points to pretty much everyone else.
The biggest thing is because the offense hasn't generated anything close to consistency at QB, it only enhances the recruiting of QB's, RB's etc....I'm not quite sure Martin, Hicks and Trey Sneed are the problems on the roster, but if you don't find ways to get touches to your best assets on offense, or get them on the field, then scoring against anyone is going to be a problem.
RU needs Wins against similar competition like Iowa in an off year, when they come off a loss to N Dakota State....period.....to bury the heads in the sand and think that the last 2 weeks didn't happen or is acceptable to pin completely on the prior staff as likely to happen vs Illinois, Indiana, PSU or Maryland would be incorrect as well. We may not be better than anyone else in the conference outside of Purdue, but we should still be competitive and win 2 to 3 games the rest of the way. Anything less than 4 wins, with this schedule and even with Laviano at QB, is not something realistic in my book. It's not the same schedule of Nebraska and Wisconsin as crossover games in the conference.
Iowa was grossly overrated and came in not playing well and a win there takes the program to a completely different level, where if you lose to OSU 58-0, you can probably still say "it's OSU".......RU played outstanding vs Iowa, despite the QB play and some referee helping the Hawkeyes....but the fact remains that RU should not be held to 116 yards of total offense vs anyone, not even Ohio State, Alabama etc....and Iowa gave up chunks of yardage and points to pretty much everyone else.
The biggest thing is because the offense hasn't generated anything close to consistency at QB, it only enhances the recruiting of QB's, RB's etc....I'm not quite sure Martin, Hicks and Trey Sneed are the problems on the roster, but if you don't find ways to get touches to your best assets on offense, or get them on the field, then scoring against anyone is going to be a problem.
RU needs Wins against similar competition like Iowa in an off year, when they come off a loss to N Dakota State....period.....to bury the heads in the sand and think that the last 2 weeks didn't happen or is acceptable to pin completely on the prior staff as likely to happen vs Illinois, Indiana, PSU or Maryland would be incorrect as well. We may not be better than anyone else in the conference outside of Purdue, but we should still be competitive and win 2 to 3 games the rest of the way. Anything less than 4 wins, with this schedule and even with Laviano at QB, is not something realistic in my book. It's not the same schedule of Nebraska and Wisconsin as crossover games in the conference.
Nope. Not for another couple of years until we're out of the disaster that the buffoon who was our previous HC created.
Hawk you've been a tad rough on Ash and Co the last couple of weeks, which is very surprising coming from you so soon. You're also taking too much off of Flood IMHO. His coaching was abysmal, period, and anybody sitting in the stands or watching on TV, the day we got humbled by a lousy Pitt team @ Heinz, can tell you that. As can anybody who watched any of our HC games under him, the Champs Sports Bowl, the Louisville game, or a complete slew of games that weren't "gimmies." Com'on now buddy!
Now, that being said, I had us at 4 wins from the moment Ash was hired - knowing our schedule - but right now IF we were to get to that #, with the losses that have hit us in the wrong places (Grant, Lambert), I'd be pleasantly surprised. Not fair, IMHO, to keep Ash to that # when you know we have serious quality depth issues in so many spots. You keep pinning it on QB play and, yup, we beat Iowa with any kind of QB play no doubt, but, as the injuries pile up I'm not so sure it's fair to EXPECT 4 wins at this point. Possible? Sure, and I hope we get there, but not probably - again - IMHO.
Why the need to insult? I have plenty thick skin. I'm simply explaining why you see what you see. I will also point out the flaw in your thinking, our recruiting classes were ranked low and that was BEFORE many of them moved on/were dismissed. If you re-ranked our classes they would all probably be NR, NR, NR.
Insult? You started it! No you did. No YOU did. :boxing: Sir, you put on some sort of "list" of people stirring the pot for no reason whatsoever, other than your vivid imagination of what my post of the Minnesota and NIU recruiting rankings were. In both instances, they are/were teams with low recruiting rankings that compete quite well with tOSU (at least last year). The difference, for both teams is they have established coaches and systems, and at least for Minnesota, a solid QB. Again my point is that there is no need to throw in the towel for the rest of this year and next year because of recruiting rankings. Ash and his systems/schemes are new. While there will be a talent falloff next year, I will not be surprised if we look better next year than we do this year. On the other hand, I will not be surprised if we look the same or worse than this year. How's that for hedging? Are we somewhat on the same page? [cheers]
So you are saying, regardless of who is coaching here, as long as it is not Flood, he would have come back here.
He reconsidered RU because Flood is gone, correct. But he came because he liked what he saw in Ash and Co. If you are correct why isn't Gary here, after all Flood is gone. Why hasn't Hansard jumped on board yelling and screaming that he is here because Flood is gone. I haven't seen a parade of 4 and 5 star recruits lining up at our doorstep because Flood was fired.
Because it's specifically been mentioned that Flood being here was the reason Mitchell didn't commit here in the first place, and that he was more than happy to come back since Flood wasn't here any more. I haven't read the same stuff about the other guys you mentioned, even if it is partially true.
You are making two different arguments. I agree that there are many elite recruits who did not come here because of Flood. Heck, he couldn't even keep a consistent set of assistant coaches. But that is different from claiming they will now come here simply because he is gone. I am saying they will come here if they like Ash and believe in what he is doing here, not because Flood is gone. If Mitchell didn't think that Ash was good he would not have come back here. Recruits will come because of who is here not because of who is not.
So your solution to stop the Flood threads is to start a new Flood thread. In doing so you added to the number of Flood threads.
All anyone wants (or should want) is not to see the same Flood mistakes.
By and large I think this staff has moved things forward, but suffers some of the same inexperienced mistakes we saw from GS. If only we could build it back to where GS had it I think we would all be fine with being competitive and a threat at home against anyone. Unfortunately, when the cupboard is less than full, the inexperience and /or stubbornness is magnified. May not be fair but it is what it is.
By and large I think this staff has moved things forward, but suffers some of the same inexperienced mistakes we saw from GS. If only we could build it back to where GS had it I think we would all be fine with being competitive and a threat at home against anyone. Unfortunately, when the cupboard is less than full, the inexperience and /or stubbornness is magnified. May not be fair but it is what it is.
I feel that both the criticism of Flood, and the new coaching staff should be open for debate.
I mean we can't talk about a coach that was here less then one year ago, and whose players account for about 95% of the roster? Nor can we criticize the current coaching staff?
What's left to talk about? All the positives of getting blown out 50-0?
I took you off ignore b/c of @MADHAT1 's post. Let's get something straight. What you said did not happen. I'm too busy to "cry to the mods." This board is a source of entertainment for many of us. I have spent a fair amount of time on here the last couple of months while things were slow for me at work. You, on the other hand, are a huge albatross. A wet blanket that spoils a lot of fun. It is quicker and easier to put the likes of you and others on ignore than to "cry to the mods." Have a nice life, and I hope you can stop being a miserable curmudgeon. Hopefully your real life personality is nicer than your online personality, because you come across as one miserable, mean, petty person. Peace to you.
