Can we stop with these stupid spin threads?

[WhiteBus]

You folks look so foolish and almost cult like with these absurd threads these past few days blaming the victim, the professor, the media and the fans.
I know your feel like Flounder from Animal House. You trusted Flood and the players but you F ' ed up in doing so.
This is no one's fault but the players and the Head Coach.
Stop making ridiculous excuses!

 

[Upstream]

I blame the dog

 

[ruhudsonfan]

And if one pays attention to a handful of people who have been right all along, there is another shoe to drop...

Size NCAA Triple E

 

[Caliknight]

Let's just hope they don't give us the UNC treatment!

 

[RUInsanity]

And if one pay's attention to a handful of people who have been right all along, there is another shoe to drop...

Size NCAA Triple E

Were any NCAA rules violated or just Rutgers' rules?

 

[Rutgers25]

And if one pays attention to a handful of people who have been right all along, there is another shoe to drop...

Size NCAA Triple E

What a few schollies? Anything beyond that would be a absurd..

 

[bac2therac]

And if one pays attention to a handful of people who have been right all along, there is another shoe to drop...

Size NCAA Triple E

in English please

 

[ruhudsonfan]

in English please

This isn't over, comprende Amigo?

 

[Caliknight]

What a few schollies? Anything beyond that would be a absurd..

Even that would be ridic.

 

[bac2therac]

for Rutgers or Flood

 

[Caliknight]

What a few schollies? Anything beyond that would be a absurd..

Even that would be ridic.

If that happens, the all of UNC should be shut down.

 

[MidwestKnights]

This isn't over, comprende Amigo?

And not by a long shot either.

And we haven't even gotten to the lack of institutional control outside the Hale Center Saturday night. And it's coming despite what the spin doctors will say.

 

[saltpepperketchup]

Read conclusion 2 of the report. They left the door wide open for more. ..

 

[rutgers48]

And not by a long shot either.

And we haven't even gotten to the lack of institutional control outside the Hale Center Saturday night. And it's coming despite what the spin doctors will say.

Lack of institutional control outside the Hale center? This may be the dumbest thing a human has ever typed on a computer.

 

[bac2therac]

Agree....blaming Rutgers forcnot having security there? The girl worked in the Hale Center...the people to blame are Caroo and his girlfriend

 

[RUInsanity]

And not by a long shot either.

And we haven't even gotten to the lack of institutional control outside the Hale Center Saturday night. And it's coming despite what the spin doctors will say.

Lack of institutional control would be related to a systemic issue. If Flood lacks control of the team it is not an Institutional Control issue unless the University takes no action to remedy or fosters further bad behavior. The bad eggs were removed from the team and Flood was suspended for his actions. As far as other potential violations, I would still like to know what exact NCAA rules were broken.

 

[MADHAT1]

 

[Rutgers25]

Lack of institutional control outside the Hale center? This may be the dumbest thing a human has ever typed on a computer.

I swear we have some serious drama queens that lack any context. Will an NCAA investigation happen? Yes

But Anything more than a loss of 2 or 3 scholllies would be completely unprecedented. And even that would be crazy..

 

[ClassOf02]

Cmon people with claims of lack of institutional control. If anything, we should get a medal for how well the system worked.

Other claims I can't comment on, but there is zero chance institutional control is an issue.

 

[MidwestKnights]

A stu

Lack of institutional control outside the Hale center? This may be the dumbest thing a human has ever typed on a computer.

A student athlete injured a student employee outside the football headquarters after being told not to go outside and intervene in an altercation.

As far as can be ascertained so far there was limited or no security and no video cameras in the area.

This comes after Rutgers players were arrested for aggravated assault, armed robbery and forcible entry.

Do the math.

 

[ClassOf02]

A stu


A student athlete injured a student employee outside the football headquarters after being told not to go outside and intervene in an altercation.

As far as can be ascertained so far there was limited or no security and no video cameras in the area.

This comes after Rutgers players were arrested for aggravated assault, armed robbery and forcible entry.

Do the math.

Which has absolutely zero to do with conclusion #2 in the independent report that leaves the door open for the NCAA to investigate.

 

[PaKnight]

And not by a long shot either.

And we haven't even gotten to the lack of institutional control outside the Hale Center Saturday night. And it's coming despite what the spin doctors will say.

It is not coming.

 

[bac2therac]

those incidents have nothing to do with the other one...are you saying RU should have security following players around campus at class and at practice and as they board busses back to their dorms

 

[rutgers48]

A stu


A student athlete injured a student employee outside the football headquarters after being told not to go outside and intervene in an altercation.

As far as can be ascertained so far there was limited or no security and no video cameras in the area.

This comes after Rutgers players were arrested for aggravated assault, armed robbery and forcible entry.

Do the math.

Oh my god dude. Do you even know what an NCAA lack of institutional control allegation even means? Do yourself a favor and research some other instances where lack of institutional control charges were brought.

A fight outside of the Hale Center Is. Not. Even. Close. Nor. In. The. Universe. Of. Lack. Of. Institutional. Control.

Come on people.

 

[rutgers48]

Oh, and one more thing since I see you trying to now lump the arrests and the Hale fight together. Again LOIC does not contemplate that an institution is responsible for the action of individuals. It is brought when there is an enormous lack of compliance with NCAA rules within the institution.

These events are not even in the stratosphere of such allegations. Period.

 

[RealityChech2]

You folks look so foolish and almost cult like with these absurd threads these past few days blaming the victim, the professor, the media and the fans.
I know your feel like Flounder from Animal House. You trusted Flood and the players but you F ' ed up in doing so.
This is no one's fault but the players and the Head Coach.
Stop making ridiculous excuses!

Another stupid post by this punk!

 

[Caliknight]

Lack of institutional control outside the Hale center? This may be the dumbest thing a human has ever typed on a computer.

This deserves more than a like.

 

[WhiteBus]

Another stupid post by this punk!

Really please provide the stupid points of my post.
Are you one of those that have killed the Penn State cult? But all is wonderful at RU?
Edit: No surprise that Realitycheck2 has no answer. Another clown who doesn't support the team.

 

[RUtix4me]

What is all the hype about exercise threads?

 

[ruhudsonfan]

My post was not anything about lack of institutional control. This is not an institutional control issue.

There are compliance issues that the NCAA will look into. And more than one.

 

[SleepingGiantIsAwake]

Lack of institutional control for possibly not having compliance "training" every year? OK. I know my company makes every employee do a quick 10 minute online training for ethics, security, etc. so it is all documented.

If that is where the RU gets dinged by the NCAA its a result of its own idiocy in how Barchi handled this whole thing. As I've mentioned my position in many other threads, the Flood issue should have been handled swiftly internally by Barchi. He bumbled this one by dragging it out, hiring outside counsel, allowing the media due to the leaker to run roughshod over our university. Now its all out there in the report. Genius.

To the OP, many are not "making excuses". Many understand and agree a lot of bad decisions were made by Flood and emotionally by Caroo. But our handling by administration and support from "fans" is pathetic.

 

[WhiteBus]

To the OP, many are not "making excuses". Many understand and agree a lot of bad decisions were made by Flood and emotionally by Caroo. But our handling by administration and support from "fans" is pathetic.

Many are not making excuses but threads attacking the victim, the media, the fans, the professor... are absolutely making excuses.

 

[vkj91]

A stu


A student athlete injured a student employee outside the football headquarters after being told not to go outside and intervene in an altercation.

As far as can be ascertained so far there was limited or no security and no video cameras in the area.

This comes after Rutgers players were arrested for aggravated assault, armed robbery and forcible entry.

Do the math.

I don't think you understand what "lack of institutional control" actually means.

 

[ATIOH]

You folks look so foolish and almost cult like with these absurd threads these past few days blaming the victim, the professor, the media and the fans.
I know your feel like Flounder from Animal House. You trusted Flood and the players but you F ' ed up in doing so.
This is no one's fault but the players and the Head Coach.
Stop making ridiculous excuses!

Sun is shining, the weather is sweet
Make you want to move your dancing feet
To the rescue, here I am
Want you to know ya, where I stand

 

[MidwestKnights]

those incidents have nothing to do with the other one...are you saying RU should have security following players around campus at class and at practice and as they board busses back to their dorms

No, but the space outside the football headquarters should be secure enough so that Rutgers students (or anyone) aren't beat up on their way home from work.

That melee outside the Hale Center comes after how many Rutgers students were assaulted or robbed by Flood's football team over the past year?

That whole mess is just another indication of a program out of control. You can't even control the locker room and the space outside football HQ for a couple of hours after a game?

That's bad.

This crap would never have happened under GS (or Anderson or Burns, and probably not under Shea either).

 

[MidwestKnights]

My post was not anything about lack of institutional control. This is not an institutional control issue.

There are compliance issues that the NCAA will look into. And more than one.

Not yet anyway.

If Rutgers response is the same to the other compliance issue(s) as it was to the email issue, then we may not have an institutional control problem.

If Rutgers response to the Hale Center mess is handled similarly to the way way the email issue was, then we may not have an institutional control problem.

The actions taken after the first set of arrests is a really good start towards avoiding potential institutional control issues. RU will probably be able to argue that they have taken steps towards mitigating these issues with the football program (and argue they've been more aggressive then other universities).

But the fact remains the football program (and maybe the athletic department) lacked serious control as of of last Saturday night.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Not yet anyway.

If Rutgers response is the same to the other compliance issue(s) as it was to the email issue, then we may not have an institutional control problem.

If Rutgers response to the Hale Center mess is handled similarly to the way way the email issue was, then we may not have an institutional control problem.

The actions taken after the first set of arrests is a really good start towards avoiding potential institutional control issues. RU will probably be able to argue that they have taken steps towards mitigating these issues with the football program (and argue they've been more aggressive then other universities).

But the fact remains the football program (and maybe the athletic department) lacked serious control as of of last Saturday night.

Yes, but that "lack of control" over a single physical altercation incident is not what NCAA Institutional Control bylaws are meant to address.

Systemic recruiting violations, systemic academic improprieties, systemic improper benefits are lack of Institutional Control issues.

A handful of one off issues (as bad as they are), over the course of a month in August/Septmber, are not what the Institutional Control rules are meant to address.

You're in the right Church, but wrong pew...

 

[rutgersguy1]

So if the NCAA investigates what are the realistic worst case and likely case scenarios with regards to punishments?

 

[MidwestKnights]

Yes, but that "lack of control" over a single physical altercation incident is not what NCAA Institutional Control bylaws are meant to address.

Systemic recruiting violations, systemic academic improprieties, systemic improper benefits are lack of Institutional Control issues.

A handful of one off issues (as bad as they are), over the course of a month in August/Septmber, are not what the Institutional Control rules are meant to address.

You're in the right Church, but wrong pew...

Ok. Here's the official definition of institutional control from the NCAA bylaws. Granted, the areas they spell out in the whole bylaws do relate to compliance, budget and recruiting, but they are getting darn close to the border here with the overall program. The Hale Center mess has now brought RU into the whole DV arena, which is a whole other game now in terms of university responsibilities and legal requirements as a matter of both NJ law and federal higher ed regulations.

RU's saving grace will be the fast, thorough response to both the email report and the immediate suspensions and dismissals after every charge.

Title:
6.01.1 - Institutional Control.
Previous Cite:
6.01
General Principles.
Next Cite:
6.1 Institutional
Governance.
The control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the institution
itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative control or faculty control, or a
combination of the two, shall constitute institutional control.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/B_Bylaw 6.pdf

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Ok. Here's the official definition of institutional control from the NCAA bylaws. Granted, the areas they spell out in the whole bylaws do relate to compliance, budget and recruiting, but they are getting darn close to the border here with the overall program. The Hale Center mess has now brought RU into the whole DV arena, which is a whole other game now in terms of university responsibilities and legal requirements as a matter of both NJ law and federal higher ed regulations.

RU's saving grace will be the fast, thorough response to both the email report and the immediate suspensions and dismissals after every charge.

Title:
6.01.1 - Institutional Control.
Previous Cite:
6.01
General Principles.
Next Cite:
6.1 Institutional
Governance.
The control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the institution
itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative control or faculty control, or a
combination of the two, shall constitute institutional control.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/B_Bylaw 6.pdf

Yes, but a single one off incident doesn't constitute a lack of institutional control. Just read the CFB police blotter on ESPN. Programs have guys arrested all the time. Literally, ALL. THE. TIME. The NCAA couldn't possible make the arrests of players IC issues. It would be overwhelming. While you may technically be right, these incidents would never lead to an IC investigation.

The issues, as they've been described to me, are related to a lack of established compliance protocols.

Are we gonna get the death penalty? Of course not. But the issue is not "over" as it relates to the AD or HCKF. Once all of the details emerge, people's jaws are gonna hit the floor at the lack of competency--and not just with HCKF.