Can we stop with these stupid spin threads?

[BROTHERSKINNY]

You folks look so foolish and almost cult like with these absurd threads these past few days blaming the victim, the professor, the media and the fans.
I know your feel like Flounder from Animal House. You trusted Flood and the players but you F ' ed up in doing so.
This is no one's fault but the players and the Head Coach.
Stop making ridiculous excuses!

Can we stop with people posting that the sky is falling that RU FB is on the decline, That Flood is the devil incarnate, and that Corroo is guilty before anything has been disclosed, You look so foolish and cult like. All these people on this board who are passing judgment on people who made mistakes. It is unfortunate that in todays society people want to punish before all facts come to the fore and after the person has paid for their mistakes, they still want to punish. I know everyone who is asking for floods firing and Carroo to be jailed are perfect people and have never ever made a mistake in their lives. I wish we could dig into their backgrounds a little bit!

 

[PaKnight]

Without commenting on the veracity of the claim that Hermann hates Flood, there are some reasons why she might:

1) He is not her hire.
2) She may not think he is the right coach for the job, for any of the reasons often posted on this board.

Even if 1 and 2 are 100% accrate, it does not explain why she "hates" him.

It is possible to think a person is not the right one for the job without hating him.

 

[Upstream]

Even if 1 and 2 are 100% accrate, it does not explain why she "hates" him.

It is possible to think a person is not the right one for the job without hating him.

Maybe people use the word "hate" to mean that she wants to get rid of him and hire someone else. Or maybe he hit on her wife.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

Without commenting on the veracity of the claim that Hermann hates Flood, there are some reasons why she might:

1) He is not her hire.
2) She may not think he is the right coach for the job, for any of the reasons often posted on this board.

Maybe Julie wants to be the first one to hire a Female Div 1 football coach. Maybe Kate Sweeney will be our next football coach. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[rutgers48]

Even if 1 and 2 are 100% accrate, it does not explain why she "hates" him.

It is possible to think a person is not the right one for the job without hating him.

Yeah, this is what I'm having trouble with. I mean "hate" would imply some sort of deep emotional feelings of "I fricking HATE this guy" like he stole her lunch money every day or something.

I would understand if she thought he's not the right guy for the job, but I'm not sure why that would translate into a hatred of the guy. Like, have they gotten into screaming matches in the past or something?

 

[suggakane]

Can we stop with people posting that the sky is falling that RU FB is on the decline, That Flood is the devil incarnate, and that Corroo is guilty before anything has been disclosed, You look so foolish and cult like. All these people on this board who are passing judgment on people who made mistakes. It is unfortunate that in todays society people want to punish before all facts come to the fore and after the person has paid for their mistakes, they still want to punish. I know everyone who is asking for floods firing and Carroo to be jailed are perfect people and have never ever made a mistake in their lives. I wish we could dig into their backgrounds a little bit!

why bother, 2&&^ em...

 

[RUsSKii]

Even if 1 and 2 are 100% accrate, it does not explain why she "hates" him.

It is possible to think a person is not the right one for the job without hating him.

I can't speak their relationship prior to this summer besides the two reasons already alluded to, but a major Reason #3 would be finding out that the head coach violated school policy prohibiting direct contact with professors in an almost unfathomably bumbling way, not to mention presiding over a team that had multiple players arrested and dismissed for committing crimes in short succession..

 

[Leonard23]

Perhaps there wasn't the same commitment to accountability under this combo as there was under the previous combo?

One thing that has been posted by 4Real is it is well known there hasn't been a dedicated compliance officer since 2012.

Just use big organization common sense here. How can a C suite executive (ala HCKF) escape this situation with any result short of termination? If you're first thought isn't, "well, the organization has no documented proof that the executive in question actually attended the underlying training, we can't legally hold them responsible" you're doing it wrong. That particular buck stops with Julie. And if you're next thought isn't they are throwing each other under the bus behind closed doors, you're also doing that one wrong too.

Picking up from here is purely my personal opinion based on two things. First, my organizational behavior experience in a big organizations and hundreds of hours of training in such. Second, connecting dots. This is my theory and no one else's. That out of the way, one of them has to go--HCKF or Julie. That relationship is permanently poisoned and is not salvageable. The only way HCKF survived this is because there must not have been documented proof he took a compliance training course. It's a typical HR nightmare. Employee is confronted with a policy violation and says, "show me where the organization trained me on this issue. AS far as I'm concerned, the support staff telling me I can't contact a prof is a gray area. It's a difference of opinion, not a clear willful violation of university policy."

Continuing with my own personal theory, Caroo's actions speed up the timeline. The BOG and Barchi are worried about a narrative of a rogue program building. Risk Management and Legal see an immediate termination as being a dicey legal proposition (because they can't produce documentation that he took the training). They suspend him 3 games as a way to buy time. As others (who have been right on a lot of these issues have said) a 3 game suspension is practically unprecedented in D1A football. It's either 1 game or termination for a football coach.

Just my .02 on the matter...

What do you mean we haven't had a dedicated compliance officer since 2012? Nicholas Ojea was the Associate AD for Compliance from August 2011-July 2015 & we have 2 directors of compliance--Brian Warcup, who has held that position since 2007 & Malcolm Grace, who was hired in April 2015. I'm guessing we're looking to hire Ojea's replacement as well to backfill that opening. Those are insufficient? Now, maybe these people & the athletics dept , along with our fabulous HR & legal folks, don't have the right protocols or adequately enforce them but it seems like we have the bodies there anyway. This sounds like the paperwork errors witch hunt under Mulcahy that lead to stricter sanctions than real cheaters got. Fun.

That said, if people knew who was responsible for the all the leaks surrounding the Barnwell incident, and more importantly why, their heads would explode ;)

I'll take academic liason for $500, Alex.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Maybe people use the word "hate" to mean that she wants to get rid of him and hire someone else. Or maybe he hit on her wife.

This made me LOL

 

[ruhudsonfan]

What do you mean we haven't had a dedicated compliance officer since 2012? Nicholas Ojea was the Associate AD for Compliance from August 2011-July 2015 & we have 2 directors of compliance--Brian Warcup, who has held that position since 2007 & Malcolm Grace, who was hired in April 2015. I'm guessing we're looking to hire Ojea's replacement as well to backfill that opening. Those are insufficient? Now, maybe these people & the athletics dept , along with our fabulous HR & legal folks, don't have the right protocols or adequately enforce them but it seems like we have the bodies there anyway. This sounds like the paperwork errors witch hunt under Mulcahy that lead to stricter sanctions than real cheaters got. Fun.

I'll take academic liason for $500, Alex.

You should have made it your Daily Double ;)

 

[bac2therac]

People like to get their rocks off

 

[Upstream]

Man, you're making me feel all sleuthy today.

There's really only one person I can think of that would make my head explode. And if I connect the dots, to your earlier posts, maybe it's not all that surprising if it's the man (or woman) I'm thinking of.

Here are some dots for you to connect:

Wed Aug 5: Flood meets with Professor in Princeton
Thurs Aug 6: Professor emails student allowing makeup assignment
Sat Aug 8: Professor travels to Europe
Wed Aug 12: Academic Advisor reports Flood to Compliance
Fri Aug 14: University Compliance contacts Professor and requests interview
Sat Aug 22: Professor returns from Europe

Presumably, sometime between Sat Aug 22 and Tues Aug 25, Professor meets with investigators and provides details of emails and meeting in Princeton. Presumably investigators notify university officials of the severity of the allegations.

Tues Aug 25: Professor emails student and indicates grade won't be changed
Tues Aug 25: Star-Ledger reports investigation is underway

 

[ruhudsonfan]

People like to get their rocks off

Is this secret code for something?

Why is it difficult for you to believe that the story that is released is not the complete picture? That statements made to the media by those involved are not 100% accurate? Why is it hard to believe that JH and HCKF don't like each other? Would you like the person who openly tried to get you fired? Would you like the person whom you very publicly tried to fire, but failed? Do you think HCKF puffed his chest out and peacocked into the room the first chance he got after the fiasco? We all would have. It's human nature. KF is an anchor around Julie's neck. Why is it a leap of faith to assume she wants him out?

And what parts are you contesting?

NCAA investigators were ABSOLUTELY in the interview rooms with JH, KF and the support personnel. That is a fact. You think they flew out to Jersey to grab a sauseege sandwich on the boardwalk?

I leave you with another nugget. There is a 1,000 pound gap toothed elephant in the room who's presence holdovers in the program can't shake. Don't for a second think that lines haven't been drawn along that parallel as well.

 

[Howie'81]

Were any NCAA rules violated or just Rutgers' rules?

It's a fantastic question, but that's rich on this board.

 

[bac2therac]

Lol some of the stuff you are saying is true....some up for debate...but no question you are getting you rocks off

 

[RU4Real]

Lol some of the stuff you are saying is true....some up for debate...but no question you are getting you rocks off

Or maybe that's just your innermost desire...

It's cool. Not judging.

 

[RUPete]

Don't we always joke that the big boys will get off free and clear and the little guy will get the book thrown at them so the NCAA can save face? Let's hope we're not considered a little guy in this situation.

Oh, I think we are definitely in that category.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

That said, if people knew who was responsible for the all the leaks surrounding the Barnwell incident, and more importantly why, their heads would explode ;)

Are you you trying to break rivals?

From what was leaked about the leaker it was someone who tried to get a job in the AD and didn't get the job, they still work for Rutgers and is now actively trying to give the AD another black eye.

That is all that I know, which was published on-line. No insider information.

 

[SleepingGiantIsAwake]

Do you not understand what it means when the President of the University becomes aware of a compliance violation? Numerous posters have explained over and over again that your wishful scenario is just not the way it works in today's world. The compliance department in organizations including Rutgers is somewhat independent. At RU the compliance division reports to the AUDIT COMMITTEE of the BOG. Barchi does not have the authority to call off the dogs once a policy violation is reported. Clearly you have no experience in a compliance environment. What you are suggesting would have been absolutely the wrong and worst thing Barchi could have possibly done. You are pissed off for the wrong reason and at the wrong person. Flood is the culprit here, no one else.

CRURah : I fully understand the role, authority, and reporting structure of compliance reporting up to an Audit Committee up to the BOG. I also fully understand Flood blatantly disregarded the policy (he will not be up for any Mensa nominations this year...truly unbelievable).

Who is the ultimate decision maker on the punishment? Why could this not be resolved earlier?

Is there an investigation into who leaked information to the media? I would believe that providing information to the media without proper approval is against policy, no? That person(s) should be dismissed, IMO.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Listen if you still want to love Flood, because you still think he's such a stand-up guy, great coach, and has figured recruiting out - lol - then fine, that's your prerogative, but the OP is spot-on here as some people are sounding like they're ready to blow the guy. The guy f*d up with the Barnwell/E-Mail debacle, and hasn't had control of this program since he took over - you didn't want to believe us, 2 years ago, you don't wan to believe it, now, but it's a face - so deal with it, with the realities, it's okay!

 

[NotInRHouse]

My question is then why didn't JH suspend Flood indefinitely or fire him on the spot....she has good cause.

Assuming the Schiano rumors, and that's in her back pocket, she had nothing to lose canning Flood on the spot, the season was ruined anyway.

 

[WhiteBus]

My question is then why didn't JH suspend Flood indefinitely or fire him on the spot....she has good cause.

Assuming the Schiano rumors, and that's in her back pocket, she had nothing to lose canning Flood on the spot, the season was ruined anyway.

JH, just like TP, doesn't have the authority to fire anyone.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Well than the BOG should be meeting before the suspension is up to make it permanent.