Caroo's accuser speaks to Bergen Record:

[Shoeless Joe #1]

http://www.northjersey.com/news/car...red-student-recounts-violent-attack-1.1411198

So Carroo graber her from behind, which means the two females were involved in an altercation, the first statemnet was he picked her up and dropped her- ( did he move her out of the way?) then later on she said he slammed me to the concrete. Those are two different accounts from the same person- I expect that to be thhe line of questioning used by Carroo's lawyer. The first account seems to make it look like Carroo removed her from the altercation- hence disorderly person charge, not slammed me to the ground aggreviated assualt-.

Not defending Carroo but will be interesting to see the other not mention details- ( if confronted walk away or scream for help if fearful- it seems thhis incident went on long enough for Carroo to hear abut it be warned and then come outside. The victim does not seem totally innocent in this matter.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

It doesn't matter how it even started, if people in the locker room knew there was commotion outside, and they had time to warn Caroo… They had time to call security. If security can't get there faster than he can from the locker room, then what the hell are they doing at the stadium and the Hale center? This is unacceptable, and it's on Rutgers. Period.

Rutgers didn't tell LC to pick a girl up and throw her to the ground (IF that's what happened...).

 

[vkj91]

Just last week we had a 7 page thread about there being to many cops at games. Guess they were all in the blue lot.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

So Carroo graber her from behind, which means the two females were involved in an altercation, the first statemnet was he picked her up and dropped her- ( did he move her out of the way?) then later on she said he slammed me to the concrete. Those are two different accounts from the same person- I expect that to be thhe line of questioning used by Carroo's lawyer. The first account seems to make it look like Carroo removed her from the altercation- hence disorderly person charge, not slammed me to the ground aggreviated assualt-.

Not defending Carroo but will be interesting to see the other not mention details- ( if confronted walk away or scream for help if fearful- it seems thhis incident went on long enough for Carroo to hear abut it be warned and then come outside. The victim does not seem totally innocent in this matter.

Aren't you generally "slammed onto the concrete" when someone picks you up and drops you? I do't believe that she said "slammed me INTO the concrete" which, based on wording, could be interpreted quite differently, no?

 

[RedSpartan]

Some of you clowns make me sick. Let's pull apart every part of the story to defend a player...who has already been suspended once this year.

I agree. It's become clear over the past few days that Flood is not the person many of us thought he was. Seems like Carroo isn't, either.

 

[DHajekRC84]

and Carroo had the choice to not go outside and assault a woman. That is unacceptable, and it's on Carroo. Period.

It appears the whole team including the coach need some training on listening skills and decision making.

 

[Extra Point]

We won't know what happened until the video comes out in court. The victim says Carroo picked her up and dropped her and she blacked out and she specifically says that Carroo didn't try to break up the fight, and that she quit her job.

 

[Bagarocks]

In my experiences of life she's giving her account which will be found to be not totally true and the actor in this who pleaded not guilty will be found to be not totally true.
She sounds like someone who's looking for more than justice.

 

[Shoeless Joe #1]

Aren't you generally "slammed onto the concrete" when someone picks you up and drops you? I do't believe that she said "slammed me INTO the concrete" which, based on wording, could be interpreted quite differently, no?

Aren't you generally "slammed onto the concrete" when someone picks you up and drops you? I do't believe that she said "slammed me INTO the concrete" which, based on wording, could be interpreted quite differently, no?

Her quote was “He picked me up and just dropped me,” said the woman,- that in my understanding is not being slammed to the groud. id In her account to The Record, the woman said Carroo slammed her to the concrete when he intervened in a confrontation between her and his current girlfriend,"- that to mehas a whole differnt tone- a defender gradbs a QB and drops him on the turf- no 15 yeard penatly, if he garbs the QB and slams him to the turf 15 ylag always. Nuts lets play this out- he is 6'1 she is 5'5- as an example- he picks her up she is lifted at most 10 inches off the ground and then dropped unless you have no bones in your body you are not slammed to the grond.

 

[KnightSlayer]

Enough with this BS. Are women equal or are they not? You cant go around demanding equality and then request special treatment. This bugs the hell out of me. Just like 'hate crimes'. Why is something worse because it was done to a certain class of individual? If I punch you in the jaw does it it really matter why if I did it?

Now, I was raised not to hit a woman. But my sisters where also raised to act like ladies.

If she wanted to be treated like a lady she should have acted as one. I don't think you should hit anyone, but then again I don't hang with hoodlums.

Wow, what a reply.

 

[Piscataway]

Wow, what a reply.

yeah I re-read it and I sound like an ass.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Aren't you generally "slammed onto the concrete" when someone picks you up and drops you? I do't believe that she said "slammed me INTO the concrete" which, based on wording, could be interpreted quite differently, no?

Well, the attorney in me would say that "slammed" implies downward force. While dropping just implies letting go of a person. So I want you out of a fight, so I pick you up, carry you away from the person you are fighting and drop you. Not really the same as I pick you up and slam you (your head in the original rumor) on the pavement. Not nearly as violent. Of course, just dropping someone could be negligent, and they could certainly be injured, but I think it removes some of the "intent to injure" from the equation. I think most bar bouncers will carry people out of bars and "drop" them outside. Not that bar bouncers are some model of society, but just saying.

I have no opinion either way. It sounds like everyone involved was insane. I only regret that we lost a star receiver, which is the worst possible person to lose if you just lost your secondary, because now we lose quick strike-ability and the ability to win shootouts.

 

[Knightmoves]

Where was stadium security?

This account alludes to what 4Real was talking about over the weekend when he said multiple heads could roll.

What it ultimately boils down to is that Rutgers did not provide a safe and secure environment for a student employee. Degree of injury and degree of culpability in the initial altercation doesnt matter. It should never have gotten that far.

Who does football operations report into? HFKC or the AD's office? Because a student employee was injured by a student athlete on Rutgers property administered by someone in athletics.

There's no way to spin that.

Football Operations reports to the AD. I'm surprised that there is not more Security outside the Hale Center after games.

It sounds like the victim was ambushed by Caroo's posse after the game. I don't know how word of a disturbance was passed on to Caroo's inside the Hale Center giving him enough time to come outside and get involved in the scuffle.

 

[RAA-1]

LC should not have gone out of the hale Center. It was interesting to learn in the story that he and the victim were friends in high school and met on the track team which I assume was at Bosco. This was covered in the Record on Northjersey.com but not in the NJ.com story that quoted much of the original info from the Record.

I find it strange that the current girlfriend, who may have stated the fight, did not get arrested.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Aren't you generally "slammed onto the concrete" when someone picks you up and drops you? I do't believe that she said "slammed me INTO the concrete" which, based on wording, could be interpreted quite differently, no?

I am not saying something bad didn't happen and LC didn't do something bad/stupid. I just find the use of Drops, Slams, and Pushes me a bit inconsistent. Since those appear to be her own words they mean different things. Drops is bad enough, no doubt. Slamming creates an extreme use of force impression. (in my mind) I can create a scenario where LC grabs the girl from behind to pull her away from the altercation and throws her to the side..I can also create a vision of a guy picking her up and body slamming like the WWW. I pray it is the former and he was somehow actually trying to protect the girl. yeah, perhaps that is a stretch but stranger things have happened in such matters. What a mess.

Please be a video.

 

[IL Lusciato]

Get out the torches!!

 

[MidwestKnights]

Football Operations reports to the AD. I'm surprised that there is not more Security outside the Hale Center after games.

It sounds like the victim was ambushed by Caroo's posse after the game. I don't know how word of a disturbance was passed on to Caroo's inside the Hale Center giving him enough time to come outside and get involved in the scuffle.

This could get even uglier it sounds like.

Also sounds like 4Real had the real scoop over the weekend.

 

[Raritan83]

Enough with this BS. Are women equal or are they not? You cant go around demanding equality and then request special treatment. This bugs the hell out of me. Just like 'hate crimes'. Why is something worse because it was done to a certain class of individual? If I punch you in the jaw does it it really matter why if I did it?

Now, I was raised not to hit a woman. But my sisters where also raised to act like ladies.

If she wanted to be treated like a lady she should have acted as one. I don't think you should hit anyone, but then again I don't hang with hoodlums.

I think the only word that comes to mind with this reply is wow.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

I'm a cynical former trial attorney. Sounds like she's setting up for a lawsuit. No injuries but the need for pain meds????? Lets wait and see what the independent witnesses say. As I always told my clients, there are three types of facts in law: What the plaintiff says, then what the defendant claims, but the only relevant perspective is what the jury believes.

You are correct, this smells exactly of the pre story to set up for a lawsuit. She will go after the deepest pockets. She has several institutions and agencies to which she can sue. Rutgers, The Rutgers police, Piscataway Police, State Police, Kyle Flood, Carroo, Various emergency services on scene. It will be a feeding frenzy but some of those agencies will be dropped. The bottom line is she will get a Big payday for this.

 

[Piscataway]

Ok, I re-read this thing. I don't know. She uses different terms to describe what happens, wonders why 'he didn't try to stop the fight', has a restraining order but hopes he isn't mad at her. Things sorta add up, but I'm left with a remainder...

I can imagine grabbing someone from behind and tossing them back to get between the single person and the group that is assaulting them. I can see that causing some injuries. I don't see maliciousness though.

 

[Piscataway]

I think the only word that comes to mind with this reply is wow.

thanks

 

[BaseballFan913]

Sounds like a girl looking for some of that NFL money

 

[NickKnight 1]

Those of you that say he should have stayed inside. If your wife or girlfriend
is being beat up outside, you would have stayed inside?
Seems to me every one has these simple solutions, to difficult
situations. Hind sight in a wonderfull thing, ain't it though?

 

[CornerTavern]

Those of you that say he should have stayed inside. If your wife or girlfriend
is being beat up outside, you would have stayed inside?
Seems to me every one has these simple solutions, to difficult
situations. Hind sight in a wonderfull thing, ain't it though?

Where was security

 

[Friend of 112]

LC should not have gone out of the hale Center. It was interesting to learn in the story that he and the victim were friends in high school and met on the track team which I assume was at Bosco. This was covered in the Record on Northjersey.com but not in the NJ.com story that quoted much of the original info from the Record.

I find it strange that the current girlfriend, who may have stated the fight, did not get arrested.

Don Bosco is all male prep school. She could have attended an all-female sister school or simply met at a co-ed meet where kids, especially the girls in their spandex, like to get "talked to" by a big-time stud athlete from other schools and they become Facebook and Instagram friends. It is a way to empowerment themselves over the other girls on the team and over the boys in their own school.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Wow, what a reply.

I guess he was okay with Phillip Nelson shit-kicking some guy in the head, while he was on the ground, too.

 

[JPhoboken]

Aren't you generally "slammed onto the concrete" when someone picks you up and drops you? I do't believe that she said "slammed me INTO the concrete" which, based on wording, could be interpreted quite differently, no?

Dropping to me does not make me think of slamming someone into the ground. Again, we don't know what happened and hopefully witnesses paint a clear and truthful picture of what did happen.

I guess when you are dropped you slam into the ground, but when someone tells me they were slammed to the ground, I am thinking more like wrestling style where you are grabbed and the person throws you to the ground, not drop you. The description I heard is open to interpretation of course, so we will see what happens.

 

[TreyA]

Were there complaints filed against either of Carroo's girlfriends? If not, why?

 

[dicemen99]

not trying anyone but why is she going to the press? the details she provides should be left for the courtroom

Probably because a reporter tracked her down and asked her questions about it. That's pretty much their job.

You're trying to make it out like she went to them - I doubt that is what happened.

It's also not her job to keep this hush-hush to protect the football program.

If you were assaulted and a reporter called you about it, it's likely you wouldn't have any problems answering a few questions about it.

On the other hand, Caroo and party have a lot of reasons to keep mum about the whole thing - it's their asses on the line. And that's why there is no other point of view to the story. Their choice and probably a smart one.

 

[mildone]

Some of you clowns make me sick. Let's pull apart every part of the story to defend a player...who has already been suspended once this year.

Mostly, what it seems some people here are doing is not so much defending Carroo as arguing that people may want to hold off on judgement until all sides are heard in a court of law. And I agree with them.

Have you spoken w/Carroo? Or the police? Or the witnesses? No? So you're basically condemning the guy based on second-hand, or worse, information. I don't know if this young woman is telling the truth or not. And neither do you. What is gained by making an assumption either way?

Oh, but he was suspended already. For being late getting back to his room. Given that heinous crime, he must be guilty of anything else that occurs in his life. That's logical.

This board has done a tremendous job, these last few weeks, of illustrating the critical importance of our legal system's protections of the accused. It's too bad the NCAA doesn't have conclusion-jumping contest because if they did, we'd have a real shot at winning the gold medal.

 

[WhiteBus]

Mostly, what it seems some people here are doing is not so much defending Carroo as arguing that people may want to hold off on judgement until all sides are heard in a court of law. And I agree with them.

Have you spoken w/Carroo? Or the police? Or the witnesses? No? So you're basically condemning the guy based on second-hand, or worse, information. I don't know if this young woman is telling the truth or not. And neither do you. What is gained by making an assumption either way?

Oh, but he was suspended already. For being late getting back to his room. Given that heinous crime, he must be guilty of anything else that occurs in his life. That's logical.

This board has done a tremendous job, these last few weeks, of illustrating the critical importance of our legal system's protections of the accused. It's too bad the NCAA doesn't have conclusion-jumping contest because if they did, we'd have a real shot at winning the gold medal.

They aren't defending Carroo?? What? That's exactly what they are doing by condemning the accuser!

 

[mildone]

They aren't defending Carroo?? What? That's exactly what they are doing by condemning the accuser!

You mean like you are condemning the accused?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Her quote was “He picked me up and just dropped me,” said the woman,- that in my understanding is not being slammed to the groud. id In her account to The Record, the woman said Carroo slammed her to the concrete when he intervened in a confrontation between her and his current girlfriend,"- that to mehas a whole differnt tone- a defender gradbs a QB and drops him on the turf- no 15 yeard penatly, if he garbs the QB and slams him to the turf 15 ylag always. Nuts lets play this out- he is 6'1 she is 5'5- as an example- he picks her up she is lifted at most 10 inches off the ground and then dropped unless you have no bones in your body you are not slammed to the grond.

Can't agree with you here buddy:

- 1st off where does it say that she was dropped from 10" off the ground? I don't see it anywhere but, if the case, then...

- ...EVEN IF he "only" dropped her from 10" off the ground: she's 107 lbs at 5'5". That's THIN my man, trust me, i know. My ex is about 5'3", maybe, and 112lbs, with what she calls "Irish arms" (even though she recently found out she's actually 3/8th Scottish and 1/8th Irish, something I had told her might be the case all along, but that's another story lol...). If I dropped her sideways onto the sidewalk, even from just 10" off the ground, she'd be in HELL OF A LOT of pain if her head smacked into said sidewalk.

Sorry, can't agree here, no way.

 

[RUsSKii]

They aren't defending Carroo?? What? That's exactly what they are doing by condemning the accuser!

Not taking the victim's story of the Hale Center incident on its face as fact is not condemning them, but rather taking a neutral view until all the facts come out. But condemning Leonte Carroo as guilty before a plea or court verdict would declare him to be? That, I have a problem with..

 

[WhiteBus]

Not taking the victim's story of the Hale Center incident on its face as fact is not condemning them, but rather taking a neutral view until all the facts come out. But condemning Leonte Carroo as guilty before a plea or court verdict would declare him to be? That, I have a problem with..

So calling the accuser a liar is fine? My word some of you are just crazy. So do all of you think he didn't touch the girl at all? In your mind was he even there?

 

[Piscataway]

Were there complaints filed against either of Carroo's girlfriends? If not, why?

because they dont have a high upside.

 

[RUsSKii]

So calling the accuser a liar is fine? My word some of you are just crazy. So do all of you think he didn't touch the girl at all? In your mind was he even there?

Who said I was calling the accuser a liar? Carroo was certainly there when he should not have been, there was a fight, and more than two people were involved. In my mind there are four sides to a story: the accuser, the plaintiff, the witnesses, and what actually happened. These will all be hashed out in court testimony and a plea or judgement will be made. It's the factual specifics of what actually transpired during this incident that I am choosing to wait for, rather than infer the entirety of what happened based on the victim's story to the press.

 

[Piscataway]

So calling the accuser a liar is fine? My word some of you are just crazy. So do all of you think he didn't touch the girl at all? In your mind was he even there?

I'm not calling her a liar, but I am not going to take her word either. A lot of folks here have pointed out that it is easy to inadvertently injure someone. So while he may in fact be culpable to some extent for her injuries (whether by just trying to break it up or going WWF and given her a Pyle driver) we don't know and are not going to condemn him before the facts are laid out.

The only thing we have is the story of the accuser. And to ME, it doesn't sound like what Carroo is accused of doing was done with any malicious intent.

 

[lang06]

not trying anyone but why is she going to the press? the details she provides should be left for the courtroom

They contacted her.

 

[mal359]

I seem to have stumbled onto an MRA forum.