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Carroo's lawyer says Leonte didn't touch victim (Video Link Included)

Way back in the '90s I was helping out in a training class for bond trader trainees. Conversation between one of the trainees and the main instructor went something like this.


Trainee: “So bond yields jumping higher yesterday infers that the market was skeptical of Greenspan's comments?”


Instructor: “No. A move in bond yields can imply something but it can't infer anything.”


Trainee: “Actually, 'imply' and 'infer' are pretty much interchangeable.”


They went back and forth on this for a little while. The instructor gave a clear explanation of his interpretation of the difference between the two words while the trainee offered little of substance. Then this happened:


Instructor: “So now we're clear on the difference between 'imply' and 'infer'?”


Trainee: “I still say there's no difference.”


Instructor: “I have inferred that your inability to admit you are wrong implies that you will have trouble cutting your losses when trading. Not being able to cut losses means you will fail as a trader. Please leave the room...Feel free to infer that you will be reassigned out of this program.
 
one of LC's attorneys stated (to the NY Post) that if the alleged victim takes the stand and testifies to the version of events in the police report she will be committing perjury. you cannot make that statement unless you are certain in the evidence.

Now, if that is true, then Caroo and Attorney should start making noises about suing everyone.. the "victim", the Rutgers and Piscataway cops, Rutgers and Flood.. for the suspension which might cost him millions.

There should be some price to pay for choosing to deny someone due process and not granting him the benefit of presumption of innocence. (I know, he can be suspended for any reason, the suit would just be to make the right kind of noise and give a reason to reinstate him).
 
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again--read the domestic violence statues in NJ

Given that the previous dating relationship qualifies.. YOU should re-read about how much discretion the investigating officers have:

II. Mandatory Arrest. A police officer must arrest and take into custody a domestic violence suspect and must sign the criminal complaint against that person if
  1. The victim exhibits signs of injury caused by an act of domestic violence. N.J.S.A. 2C:25-21a(1).
    1. The word, "exhibits," is to be liberally construed to mean any indication that a victim has suffered bodily injury, which shall include physical pain or any impairment of physical condition. Probable cause to arrest also may be established when the police officer observes manifestations of an internal injury suffered by the victim.


    1. Where the victim exhibits no visible sign of injury, but states that an injury has occurred, the officer should consider other relevant factors in determining whether there is probable cause to make an arrest.

    2. In determining which party in a domestic violence incident is the victim where both parties exhibit signs of injury, the officer should consider:
      1. the comparative extent of injuries suffered;
      2. the history of domestic violence between the parties, if any, or
      3. other relevant factors.

    3. Police shall follow standard procedures in rendering or summoning emergency treatment of the victim, if required.

  2. There is probable cause to believe that the terms of a no contact court order have been violated. If the victim does not have a copy of the court order, the officer may verify the existence of an order with the appropriate law enforcement agency.

  3. A warrant is in effect.

  4. There is probable cause to believe that a weapon as defined in N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1r has been involved in the commission of an act of domestic violence.
III. Discretionary Arrest. A police officer may arrest a person or may sign a criminal complaint against that person, or may do both, where there is probable cause to believe that an act of domestic violence has been committed but none of the conditions in Section II. above applies.

Caroo had made no effort to locate himself in such a way as to harm the "victim". Caroo clearly did not instigate the events in question. The injuries, if any, were minor and may very well have been caused by others before Caroo got involved. "Victim" says she was slammed to the ground.. how do you get injuries to your palms in that case? A cop should have realized that is a falling injury where she braced herself with her hands on the ground. That should have made the investigator doubt her story.

Simply put, there was no substantial reason to believe that Caroo posed a continuing threat to the "victim". And the officers should have taken his rights into account. There is room in that statute listed above for discretion because there was no reason to believe the physical injuries shown were caused by Caroo and not some non-domestic partner earlier in the altercation.
 
i remain curious why the alleged victim has not been charged. she clearly swung her purse in the video and admitted (to the press) that she was on top of Vega during the incident. that's assault in NJ. i presume that the cops made the determination on site that it was self-defense. but, that's not really their call. they should have been arrested and the matter turned over to the prosecutor. in any event, based on the alleged victim's numerous statements to the press, which keep changing, (assuming there is no direct LE eyewitness and/or other video) i would be very surprised if LC is convicted. if you recall, she has all but admitted now that she did not see LC pick her up. that said, the best thing that can happen for him is that charges go away altogether before a trial.
 
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Now, if that is true, then Caroo and Attorney should start making noises about suing everyone.. the "victim", the Rutgers and Piscataway cops, Rutgers and Flood.. for the suspension which might cost him millions.

There should be some price to pay for choosing to deny someone due process and not granting him the benefit of presumption of innocence. (I know, he can be suspended for any reason, the suit would just be to make the right kind of noise and give a reason to reinstate him).
Ha! There is no such thing as the presumption of innocence when it comes to DV. If you are a man the presumption is you are guilty, no ifs and's or but's about it. It is the one are of the judicial process where Due Process is extremely lacking. Carroo is very lucky. He has a hot shot lawyer who not only was a cop, but a prosecutor too! Suffice it to say, he has the very best legal help in Middlesex county. regular schmoes like you and me are literally at the mercy of the system, even with counsel. I think Carroo is trying to get out of this as quickly and as unscathed as he can so he can get back on the football field.
 
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Ha! There is no such thing as the presumption of innocence when it comes to DV. If you are a man the presumption is you are guilty, no ifs and's or but's about it. It is the one are of the judicial process where Due Process is extremely lacking. Carroo is very lucky. He has a hot shot lawyer who not only was a cop, but a prosecutor too! Suffice it to say, he has the very best legal help in Middlesex county. regular schmoes like you and me are literally at the mercy of the system, even with counsel. I think Carroo is trying to get out of this as quickly and as unscathed as he can so he can get back on the football field.

You're a little bit psycho about this stuff.
 
Oh jesus guys why don't you just whip your little peckers out while you're at it! Com'on there are sooooo many better things to argue about right now! [pfftt]
Might we infer from the tone of your post that you are insinuating a risque competition take place to settle this spat?
 
You can say it's wrong. You can say it's unfair. You can say it's a lot of things if what Carroo's lawyer is telling the true story.

What I believe you can't say is, in the world we live in today, that the RUPD didn't handle it as most police departments would have. DV is a hot button issue as it should be. It's a very real problem. If the RUPD hadn't done what they did, they would have been skewered in the media and by special interest groups. Especially when the one being accused is pretty close to what would be considered a celebrity at RU.

I'm guessing they did their job the way they're trained to do with the idea as someone said that the court will hash it out.

To some extent, I agree with this, but still, when a woman who was attacked says she wants to file charges and is rebuffed, something doesn't seem right here.
 
RU#s is correct.

The word "corroborate" cannot "infer" anything. It can "imply" something.

Someone reading or hearing the word "corroborate" can "infer" something.

The lawyer's use of the word "corroborate" was meant to allow people to "infer" a certain meaning.

The lawyer "implied" a meaning. The reader or listener "inferred" a meaning.

I am no expert on any of this.. but have to be cautious in using such language because of that. I am fairly sure that if you see the word "infers" with the "s" on the end, it is likely a wrong usage and "implies" is more likely the correct word.

Perhaps "confers" would work there?

And on that Vincito-willis thing.. wrong-etc.. isn't that just a ripoff of a SNL skit.. like MCLaughlin Group

GOR - thanks. But more importantly, please don't imply that Willis purloined his masterpiece from SNL. Say it ain't so, @willisneverrana43.
 
@willisneverrana43?

Not a tweeter, never tweeted. Hadn't seen the SNL piece, but it's funny. Dana Carvey is still funny. His short-lived post-SNL show was a classic. The inspiration wasn't that sketch. It was the wrongness.
 
I have family members that are very close to Leonte's "second family". They are confident that when the truth comes out he will be exonerated.
 
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