Cleveland Paper: if Rutgers recruited NJ like OSU does Ohio?

[RU31trap]

Put yourselves in the (NJ) athletes position and ask if you would have gone to Rutgers? I know for a fact that coach Schiano tried really hard to recruit Knowshon Marino (sp), a running back that would have lit up the BE. He ended up going to Georgia. During the 80's & 90's the Miami teams that were winning NC's recruited NJ with impunity. A recruiters job is to sell their university to parents and athletes and all things being equal, it is very difficult to out recruit the lure of playing in the SEC, Notre Dame or a National Championship team. If the kid is a "TRUE" student athlete they end up going to an upper echelon university. If the kid is an inner city phenom whose only goal is to play on Sunday's he's going to a school that gives him exposure and the best chance of winning. This is where coach Schiano did excellent work, he was able to recruit that second and third tier athlete with a great deal of success, which turned the program around.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Put yourselves in the (NJ) athletes position and ask if you would have gone to Rutgers? I know for a fact that coach Schiano tried really hard to recruit Knowshon Marino (sp), a running back that would have lit up the BE. He ended up going to Georgia. During the 80's & 90's the Miami teams that were winning NC's recruited NJ with impunity. A recruiters job is to sell their university to parents and athletes and all things being equal, it is very difficult to out recruit the lure of playing in the SEC, Notre Dame or a National Championship team. If the kid is a "TRUE" student athlete they end up going to an upper echelon university. If the kid is an inner city phenom whose only goal is to play on Sunday's he's going to a school that gives him exposure and the best chance of winning. This is where coach Schiano did excellent work, he was able to recruit that second and third tier athlete with a great deal of success, which turned the program around.

The Moreno recruiting was interesting. The story is that, somehow, Moreno had an academic tutor in HS that was a Georgia grad. He and another player.. forget the name, Kade Weston maybe? both used that tutor and both ended up at Georgia.

As for so many NJ #1s being in the secondary, I have oft wondered if the SIZE of NJ kids is the determining factor.

That is, down south and in the midwest in farm country, they breed some big boys, seems to me.

One advantage we do have here is sheer numbers. Numbers of kids and numbers of schools playing football. If we had more regional schools with fewer municipalities and fewer school districts, there would be more competition for spots on those freshman teams and that might weed out some players who would come into their own later in their HS careers. I think an awful lot of NJHS kids get a real shot at being football players and therefore we find a lot of skill players.

 

[kjb32812]

I'd take some of the non Jersey kids we actually have then some on that list.

Of course you would but that isn't the point of the article. I've frequented this board for quite a while now and am always stunned when I see posters say you don't need to win NJ to become a powerhouse. If you can't win the recruiting wars in your own backyard, you have absolutely no chance.

 

[Caliknight]

Of course you would but that isn't the point of the article. I've frequented this board for quite a while now and am always stunned when I see posters say you don't need to win NJ to become a powerhouse. If you can't win the recruiting wars in your own backyard, you have absolutely no chance.

I never said what you are seem to be attributing to me. I'm just speaking in practical matters. We have some better players outside of NJ then those listed.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I never said what you are seem to be attributing to me. I'm just speaking in practical matters. We have some better players outside of NJ then those listed.

This is like the thread about best pizza in New Jersey and you're the guy that brings up Chicago.

The players you are talking about play football for Rutgers..other than that, they have nothing to do with the OP and referenced article.

 

[Caliknight]

Of course it is relevant. If a guy is going to make a list about players we don't have, and those we do are actually better, nothing could be more relevant.

Following your analogy, the guy who opened the Chicago style pizza shop in Jersey actually has better pizza than the guy who is serving thin slices who left New Jersey.

 

[Kbee3]

2011 - 7 of the top 16
2012 - 8 of the top 15

It has happened before, and can/will happen again, with a HC who can sell a vision and close Jersey kids (which, no doubt, is NOT easy...). No question!

Aren't you supposed to click your heels together and say "There's no place like home" ?

Interesting idea that I wish a New jersey paper would do. Show New Jersey HS players what kind of Rutgers team they would be playing on if a good chunk of the top players stayed home. This story asks what if Rutgers recruited NJ like Ohio State recruits Ohio.

If any of you have any social media skills and can get this trending so that every NJ HS football player sees it... well, good on you.

linky

OFFENSE

QB: Brandon Wimbush, Notre Dame (No. 2 overall in New Jersey in 2015)

RB: Corey Clement, Wisconsin (No. 5 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

TE: Mike Gesicki, Penn State (No. 6 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

WR: Leonte Carroo, Rutgers (No. 5 overall in New Jersey in 2012)

WR: Noah Brown, Ohio State (No. 5 overall in New Jersey 2014)

WR: Jabrill Peppers, Michigan (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

OT: Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame (No. 2 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

OG: Dorian Miller, Rutgers (No. 14 overall in New Jersey in 2012)

C: Brendan Mahon, Penn State (No. 10 in New Jersey in 2013)

OG: Steven Gonzalez, Penn State (No. 8 in New Jersey in 2015)

OT: Keith Lumpkin, Rutgers (No. 9 in New Jersey in 2011)

DEFENSE:

DE: Tashawn Bower, LSU (No. 7 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

DT: Gerald Owens, Michigan State (No. 12 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

DT: Garrett Sickels, Penn State (No. 6 in New Jersey in 2014)

DE: Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State (No. 24 overall in New Jersey in 2011)

LB: Al-Quadin Muhammad, Miami (Fla.) (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

LB: Steve Longa, Rutgers (No. 17 in New Jersey in 2012)

LB: Kemoko Turay, Rutgers (No. 40 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

CB: Eli Apple, Ohio State (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

CB: Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2015)

S: Jabrill Peppers, Michigan (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

S: Anthony Cioffi, Rutgers (No. 42 in New Jersey in 2013)

Brendon Mahon and Steve Gonzalez ?
That's pretty funny.

 

[zappaa]

Keeping our in state talent home is our only chance of hi level success on a yearly basis.

 

[Caliknight]

Keeping our in state talent home is our only chance of hi level success on a yearly basis.

Across the board, this is true. But using sub par players compared to those we have to make this point is doing the exact opposite of displaying that.

 

[zappaa]

Across the board, this is true. But using sub par players compared to those we have to make this point is doing the exact opposite of displaying that.

Twist it any way you please.
Keeping our best NJ players home would result in competing for Championships every year.
I never said anything about not continuing strong recruiting out of the state.

 

[Caliknight]

I agree. The writer needs to use better examples. Not my fault he didn't do so and is a slap in the face to the kids that chose Rutgers and are out performing the kids that didn't.

It is lazy reporting.

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

Would have loved Moreno here and all but he was never on Ray Rice level. Whole lot of SEC hype left us all drooling for a year but was no where as productive in The NFL nor in college.

 

[kjb32812]

I never said what you are seem to be attributing to me. I'm just speaking in practical matters. We have some better players outside of NJ then those listed.

My post must have come across the wrong way. I wasn't saying you had said that.