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Cliff and the 3

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The Commodores would be proud. Yea I'm old school.

HOWEVER, mastering it could put him in the first round. As long as he is smart about it, I say let it fly.
 
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The Commodores would be proud. Yea I'm old school.

HOWEVER, mastering it could put him in the first round. As long as he is smart about it, I say let it fly.
Cliff needs to work on his footwork, defense and rebounding just to get into the second round. It is his third year with the program and he still doesn’t box out most of the time.
 
Cliff needs to work on his footwork, defense and rebounding just to get into the second round. It is his third year with the program and he still doesn’t box out most of the time.
Yes, all true, but we don't want Cliff to exceed our expectations just yet. This is all a scheme by the coaches to bring him a long a little slower, so he doesn't leave us at the end of the year.
 
Every three point attempt he takes is a wasted shot opportunity. The guy should be planted under the basket dunking lob passes. Having him shoot threes is just unserious basketball ("dick-around time").
 
Everything I have seen through 3 games, he is not an NBA player yet.

The foul shooting has vastly improved though and that is usually an indicator for if a guy can end up being a good shooter at the next level. But he needs to work on his hands, post moves and post passing before really considering the NBA
 
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Every three point attempt he takes is a wasted shot opportunity. The guy should be planted under the basket dunking lob passes. Having him shoot threes is just unserious basketball ("dick-around time").
You are lost. Cliff will take and make threes this year. Get used to it because it is coming. Understand today’s game and the next level.
 
Yeah, why would you want the best rebounder in the conference under the basket when he could shoot 18% from behind the three point line instead?
on one hand, correct. from a team perspective, is not where his shots should come from. but on the other hand, he needs to be given the opportunity to develop further and take open outside shots. and not only that, this freedom influences future recruits too.

Cliff needs to be more than a dunk specialist if he wants to play after RU.
 
Yeah, why would you want the best rebounder in the conference under the basket when he could shoot 18% from behind the three point line instead?
Here you go again? Cliff is under the basket plenty and rebounding well. He is also capable of a pick and pop with Cam and shoot the three. Try watching Cliff play, warm up and shoot., which he s also doing to prepare for the NBA. Stop being a know nothing sarcastic shill. Your knowledge of basketball is so limited , no one needs your input. Go to another board. You infiltrated this basketball board for the last 2 years and have almost nothing positive or good to say. I am sure I speak for most of this board just leave.
 
Here you go again? Cliff is under the basket plenty and rebounding well. He is also capable of a pick and pop with Cam and shoot the three. Try watching Cliff play, warm up and shoot., which he s also doing to prepare for the NBA. Stop being a know nothing sarcastic shill. Your knowledge of basketball is so limited , no one needs your input. Go to another board. You infiltrated this basketball board for the last 2 years and have almost nothing positive or good to say. I am sure I speak for most of this board just leave.
I say this sincerely, I have no idea who the **** you are, I don't remember ever conversing with you regarding basketball (that doesn't mean it hasn't happened), and I believe you may be thinking of someone else. That said, you are cordially invited to go **** yourself.
 
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If Kofi and Williams didn't get drafted, I don't see Cliff getting drafted. He couldn't carry their jocks.
Kofi and Trevion had no outside game. And neither were athletic freaks like Cliff. Yes Kofi was an enormous human and Trevion was fantastic in the post but neither possessed Cliffs raw athletic skills. Which is why Cliff has practiced diligently to improve his outside shooting and face up game. Is he there yet? I’d say no, but if he can keep improving he’ll have a much longer pro career than both of those players.
 
If Kofi and Williams didn't get drafted, I don't see Cliff getting drafted. He couldn't carry their jocks.
Williams is too small and only has irrelevant back to the basket post moves and Kofi couldn’t shoot, pass, dribble or close out on shooters. Those guys were never going to be nba players
 
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Here you go again? Cliff is under the basket plenty and rebounding well. He is also capable of a pick and pop with Cam and shoot the three. Try watching Cliff play, warm up and shoot., which he s also doing to prepare for the NBA. Stop being a know nothing sarcastic shill. Your knowledge of basketball is so limited , no one needs your input. Go to another board. You infiltrated this basketball board for the last 2 years and have almost nothing positive or good to say. I am sure I speak for most of this board just leave.
Don't think Cliff plays the best D.
 
The Mag hate is insane. It’s been 3 games. If he continues to struggle over an extended stretch, then I’ll get it. It’s been 3 games, everyone needs to chill out.
It's not hate. We're ALL pulling for the kid. However, there are clearly 2 divided camps on what he brings to the table and how much pt he should be getting. I'm on record that less Mag is better. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be ecstatic if he goes for 20 & 10 on Friday.
 
on one hand, correct. from a team perspective, is not where his shots should come from. but on the other hand, he needs to be given the opportunity to develop further and take open outside shots. and not only that, this freedom influences future recruits too.

Cliff needs to be more than a dunk specialist if he wants to play after RU.
"More than a dunk specialist" doesn't need to include 3s. There's plenty for Cliff to improve upon.
 
I have nothing against Mag, but he has yet to demonstrate a single aspect of offense that he performs well even remotely consistently.
 
I have nothing against Mag, but he has yet to demonstrate a single aspect of offense that he performs well even remotely consistently.

I didnt realize that only offense counts in basketball. The reason Pike will play Mag is not because of his offense but rather his wingspan, agility and ability to defend 3 or 4 positions. He is the 4th or 5th option on offense.
 
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I didnt realize that only offense counts in basketball. The reason Pike will play Mag is not because of his offense but rather his wingspan, agility and ability to defend 3 or 4 positions. He is the 4th or 5th option on offense.
I agree with this. He's a valuable player on a college team; he just shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless it's a layup or dunk. Rodman is a HOFer and he had very little offensive skills. Not everyone has to shoot three pointers and dribble at the top of the key for 20 seconds every trip down court.
 
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I agree with this. He's a valuable player on a college team; he just shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless it's a layup or dunk. Rodman is a HOFer and he had very little offensive skills. Not everyone has to shoot three pointers and dribble at the top of the key for 20 seconds every trip down court.
Thats fine about Rodman but Cliff is not good at all on defense and for some reason he doesn't block many shots at all which he should be doing given his size and wingspan; he also got abused yesterday many times by the UMass opposing center
 
Thats fine about Rodman but Cliff is not good at all on defense and for some reason he doesn't block many shots at all which he should be doing given his size and wingspan; he also got abused yesterday many times by the UMass opposing center
I was referring to Mag, not Cliff.
 
Let’s see a larger size sample … crowd will go bonkers whenever Cliff hits a 3 :)
 
I say this sincerely, I have no idea who the **** you are, I don't remember ever conversing with you regarding basketball (that doesn't mean it hasn't happened), and I believe you may be thinking of someone else. That said, you are cordially invited to go **** yourself.
I do apologize. I linked your post and meant it for Shelby , who you will find out soon knows crap about basketball and has the worst takes. Sorry again to you. Carry on!!
 
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Here you go again? Cliff is under the basket plenty and rebounding well. He is also capable of a pick and pop with Cam and shoot the three. Try watching Cliff play, warm up and shoot., which he s also doing to prepare for the NBA. Stop being a know nothing sarcastic shill. Your knowledge of basketball is so limited , no one needs your input. Go to another board. You infiltrated this basketball board for the last 2 years and have almost nothing positive or good to say. I am sure I speak for most of this board just leave.
I'm done with Cliff. Cliff is barely 3rd team all Big 10 material. How can anyone think he could ever play in the NBA?? I mean he only scored 22 with 15 rebounds the other day. He should be avg'ing a triple triple by this point in his career. Our fans are always content with average. Its time we expect - no DEMAND greatness. Until then, we'll always be "same old Rutgers".
Oh yeah, and Pike still can't recruit.
 
It’s how the game is played nowadays. Hardly any midrange jumpers.
No, it's not. How many college teams have players 1-5 shooting 3s? Maybe a handful.
Look, he's not going to make a high % of 3s, so why take those shots?
Imagine if Cliff could shoot a higher % from 10-15 ft, rather than a mediocre % from 3.
As a Rutgers fan, I'm looking to win games. Cliff going pro isn't a top priority.
 
No, it's not. How many college teams have players 1-5 shooting 3s? Maybe a handful.
Look, he's not going to make a high % of 3s, so why take those shots?
Imagine if Cliff could shoot a higher % from 10-15 ft, rather than a mediocre % from 3.
As a Rutgers fan, I'm looking to win games. Cliff going pro isn't a top priority.
You have not been watching . Cliff can hit 3’s and also hit the side 10-12 foot jumper . He has done it in multiple games so far. No one is a saying he will shoot a ton of 3’s but if he is open either in the flow of the offense when the ball is being passed around side to side or open on a pick and pop, he should be shooting that shot. Cliff has also improved his low post game using the glass and using both hands. He is developing a full offensive arsenal that will help Rutgers now and help him make it to the NBA.
 
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I agree with this. He's a valuable player on a college team; he just shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless it's a layup or dunk. Rodman is a HOFer and he had very little offensive skills. Not everyone has to shoot three pointers and dribble at the top of the key for 20 seconds every trip down court.
Rodman could also guard all 5 positions and was arguably the greatest defender of all time. He was never on teams that needed him to score.
 
Imagine if Cliff could shoot a higher % from 10-15 ft, rather than a mediocre % from 3.
If he hits 50% of those 2's he only needs to hit 33.33% of his 3's to make it a wash.
The next biggest advantage to 3's is bringing the other team's big farther from the hoop, spacing the floor for other players and making them guard him farther from the hoop where he has more space to drive.
It's also likely making Cliff happy AND a great thing for recruits who play the 4 or 5 and have NBA potential to see.
Lastly - he must be making them in practice or he wouldn't be shooting them in games - I trust Pikiell on that one.
 
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Cliff taking some threes helps spacing a ton. I’ll try to find some film clips but if teams feel like they need to at least be respecting the shot it creates more lanes. Teams use to guard myles from the paint when he would be out at the 3 point line for a ball reversal.
 
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