Columbus Dispatch: “He jumped inbounds”

[SBP]

Homer paper, what do you expect, unbiased reporting? Dude clearly violated rule…

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[Plum Street]

Where are our beat guys ? Carino ? nj.com?
Or did they not even bother to go to the game ??

 

[RutgersRaRa]

Where are our beat guys ? Carino ? nj.com?
Or did they not even bother to go to the game ??

NJ.com wrote about it in two different articles and said we were robbed—twice (passer’s foot was OOB and shooter was the first to touch the ball after going OOB).

 

[dpwhite]

I know half of you don't even take a minute to look unless it's posted here, but both Carino and Fonseca have several articles up about the game/incident.

 

[rutgers93]

This is a moot issue. The ball handler was out of bounds prior to the shot. End of story!!

 

[toby83]

I'll be honest I didn't even know the rule about being first to touch ball after out of bounds.

What's the football rule for wr?

 

[Plum Street]

I know half of you don't even take a minute to look unless it's posted here, but both Carino and Fonseca have several articles up about the game/incident.

You’re right. I did not look. Did they go to the game ? Have postgame takes of both coaches ? Get in the Locke room or players podium and ask ?
It’s more credible if they’re in Columbus reporting it rather than some guy sitting on his couch like us fans.

 

[RU Golfer]

NJ.com wrote about it in two different articles and said we were robbed—twice (passer’s foot was OOB and shooter was the first to touch the ball after going OOB).

Players who go out of bounds can legally rejoin the play and touch the ball once they have both feet back on the court.

 

[RU Golfer]

I'll be honest I didn't even know the rule about being first to touch ball after out of bounds.

What's the football rule for wr?

See post above

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

You’re right. I did not look. Did they go to the game ? Have postgame takes of both coaches ? Get in the Locke room or players podium and ask ?
It’s more credible if they’re in Columbus reporting it rather than some guy sitting on his couch like us fans.

Costs money to go to Columbus.

 

[zappaa]

Players who go out of bounds can legally rejoin the play and touch the ball once they have both feet back on the court.

Did he have both feet in when he caught the ball, don’t care if he was Re-established

 

[Plum Street]

Costs money to go to Columbus.

Lol . That’s weak excuse if they claim to cover the team . They need to be there. Because crazy stuff happens to report on like last night

 

[RUinOhio]

Players who go out of bounds can legally rejoin the play and touch the ball once they have both feet back on the court.

that's actually not true, there is a pic of the rule, he cant touch it at all first since he went on on his own.

 

[Shell21]

Did he have both feet in when he caught the ball, don’t care if he was Re-established

to me he jumped back and caught the ball at same time basically . Did not reestablish at all

 

[Shelby65]

Did he have both feet in when he caught the ball, don’t care if he was Re-established

That’s what re-established means. From out, both feet back in.

 

[zappaa]

to me he jumped back and caught the ball at same time basically . Did not reestablish at all

Don’t care if reestablished, was he inbounds when he got the ball

 

[Shell21]

Don’t care if reestablished, was he inbounds when he got the ball

yes but you must reestablsih which he didn’t. he never had even a foot on the ground before he caught the ball. That’s what it means

 

[zappaa]

That’s what re-established means. From out, both feet back in.

He was either in or out, if he’s in the air he’s inbounds.
The reestablishment rule has to be reviewable if it in fact is the rule

 

[SBP]

to me he jumped back and caught the ball at same time basically . Did not reestablish at all

Freeze frame showed 1 feet still clearly out when he caught it. If it was reviewable would have been waved off no doubt

 

[NYSportsFan]

Homer paper, what do you expect, unbiased reporting? Dude clearly violated rule…

Tanner Holden's heroics lead Ohio State past Rutgers on buzzer-beater

Tanner Holden's buzzer beater leads Ohio State past Rutgers in thriller

www.dispatch.com

Somebody send that writer the following -

 

[Shell21]

Freeze frame showed 1 feet still clearly out when he caught it. If it was reviewable would have been waved off no doubt

it’s tough to tell but yes , either way he didn’t reestablish and according to the rule it’s moot anyways

 

[RU Golfer]

Establishing Position​

Players are considered in or out of bounds based on where their feet were before they touched the ball. If a player leaps from out of bounds to touch a ball before she lands in-bounds, it's a turnover. The reverse is also true, as players can jump from inside the court and touch a ball as long as they're not touching it when they land out of bounds. An example is a player leaping to tip a ball that was going out of bounds toward a teammate to avoid a turnover.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Lol . That’s weak excuse if they claim to cover the team . They need to be there. Because crazy stuff happens to report on like last night

Who pays for it

 

[zappaa]

So bottom line?
Like a review in football where you can see if the player stepped out of bounds.
In basketball you can’t review the same exact scenario?

 

[RUChoppin]

Players who go out of bounds can legally rejoin the play and touch the ball once they have both feet back on the court.

Couple things, which have been covered a bunch.
1. You can reestablish if you were forced out of bounds or if you got carried out by your own momentum, not if you went out on your own volition. If someone sets a screen on the baseline under the basket, you can't run out of bounds around him and get a pass on the other side of the rim.
2. Even if he DID get forced out or get carried out due to momentum, he needs to clearly establish position inbounds before touching the ball - but he caught the ball while he was still in the air, having jumped while he foot was touching the sideline. Just like Xavier Johnson got called for a backcourt in the last game - you have to get your feet down before you touch the ball, and he didn't.
3. Before all of that even happened, the passer stepped on the sideline.

But apparently none of that is reviewable, because there was no whistle on any of it. If you ignore two players being out of bounds and can only review from the time the shooter raises up to shoot, the final shot was clean. Have to assume some change will be made in the offseason to allow blatantly missed calls to be reviewed in the final seconds.

 

[Shell21]

Couple things, which have been covered a bunch.
1. You can reestablish if you were forced out of bounds or if you got carried out by your own momentum, not if you went out on your own volition. If someone sets a screen on the baseline under the basket, you can't run out of bounds around him and get a pass on the other side of the rim.
2. Even if he DID get forced out or get carried out due to momentum, he needs to clearly establish position inbounds before touching the ball - but he caught the ball while he was still in the air, having jumped while he foot was touching the sideline. Just like Xavier Johnson got called for a backcourt in the last game - you have to get your feet down before you touch the ball, and he didn't.
3. Before all of that even happened, the passer stepped on the sideline.

But apparently none of that is reviewable, because there was no whistle on any of it. If you ignore two players being out of bounds and can only review from the time the shooter raises up to shoot, the final shot was clean. Have to assume some change will be made in the offseason to allow blatantly missed calls to be reviewed in the final seconds.

excellent summary . Short summary; we got screwed

 

[RUnTeX]

So bottom line?
Like a review in football where you can see if the player stepped out of bounds.
In basketball you can’t review the same exact scenario?

Apparently not because there was never a whistle blown, so not reviewable

 

[jordkap]

Even a simple review of the time not starting on time would have waved the basket off. That was an all around choke job by the refs there

 

[dpwhite]

If you're going to complain about the clock not starting immediately, you're not watching college hoops, because that happens in nearly every game--including Ron's game winner against Purdue last season. That is not an argument you're going to win. The other two were blatant violations not called, but you're not going to win those either. Game's over. It stinks. On to the next.

 

[Plum Street]

Who pays for it

The business . Reporters covering road games is not a new idea.

 

[dpwhite]

The business . Reporters covering road games is not a new idea.

Yeah, that doesn't happen anymore the way budgets have been cut. There are Yankees beat reporters who don't go to road games beyond AL East games these days.

 

[zappaa]

Apparently not because there was never a whistle blown, so not reviewable

Which is absurd.
How has this situation not occurred multiple times

 

[RUnTeX]

Which is absurd.
How has this situation not occurred multiple times

Agree, it shouldn't require a whistle to review, particularly at the end game. The point should be to get it right, not have the outcome stay wrong on a technicality.

 

[Plum Street]

Yeah, that doesn't happen anymore the way budgets have been cut. There are Yankees beat reporters who don't go to road games beyond AL East games these days.

Ok then it’s hard to take any “reporter’s”game analysis seriously when they watched the same thing as you or I did from our couch hundreds of miles away.
They should be on the phone at open of business today.with the BIG office asking for a response on the end game

 

[robjknight]

Everything in the last minute or two should be reviewable. 3 Refs and nobody saw them out of bounds.

 

[RUnTeX]

The other two were blatant violations not called

Might be other THREE blatant violations not called:
1. dribbler steps OOB
2. shooter can't be first to touch ball after coming in from voluntarily drifting OOB
3. shooter didn't properly re-establish inbounds before touching the ball (if you ignore #2)

 

[Shell21]

Everything in the last minute or two should be reviewable. 3 Refs and nobody saw them out of bounds.

exactly. how do we have millions of reviews during the flow of the game and the last minute or last seconds are not reviewable ? How does this make sense at all?

 

[macdad90]

re reviewable plays, if i understand properly, in an extreme example, if a player takes 5 steps (clearly a walk) but the refs don't make that call, then the player hits the game winning shot which was clearly released just prior to the buzzer... the refs may or may not review if the shot was valid but the missed walk wouldn't be considered since it wasn't called - refs run to the locker, the games is over, tough *hit... do I have that right?

 

[Plum Street]

Everything in the last minute or two should be reviewable. 3 Refs and nobody saw them out of bounds.

In fairness the guy on the near court (opposite side of the Ohio state bench) didn’t have an angle . It was the backcourt guy and the baseline guy that missed it.

 

[RU_DIO]

It was tough enough losing last night on a last second shot. It's much worse that the refs didn't call the turnover like they should have.