Wondering your guys take on the Delbarton football schedule. Forced to play some teams they don't feel like they should have to. Interesting discussion, as its in state.
Delbarton Football Schedule
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It's ok for Delbarton to beat up on the publics all these years but now they're upset. The same goes for Pope John and I say this despite my son playing three sports there several years back.
I know there's no school that feels more entitled than the folks up at Delbarton but I didn't know that meant they should only play schools they will beat.
I know there's no school that feels more entitled than the folks up at Delbarton but I didn't know that meant they should only play schools they will beat.
But why don't they play Pope John, Seton Hall and schools like that. Not the big 6. No reason for these kids from these top tier academic schools to play schools like bosco and bergen who recruit kids from all over to play for their football team, while being held under no academic standard, no?
Also the notion that Delbarton folks are "more entitled" is quite immature for a grown man to say. My guess is you've never met people from Delbarton yet just believe they are stuck up due to the tuition at the school. Lets not go back to middle school with these insults big guy.
Delbarton has kids from all over too iirc.
So your insulting your own family? Also Delby is mostly morris county. Got some buddies who have kids there who say furthest he knows is northern bergen county about 1 hour away. This school prefers artists over athletes, I think we can agree on that.
Not insulting them. We've had the same discussion.
I'd bet the other schools mentioned get most of their students from nearby communities too.
Come on. Your telling me the big six don't recruit? Josh Mckenzie (Bergen Catholic RB) lives in the Head Coach's house for gods sake. PC just getting all these magical transfers including Jabrill Peppers. Then patridge gets job for UMICH. Bosco: Pipeline for studs, Toal embraces recruiting.
The parochial schools en mass used the rules to their advantage. You can reasonably debate the degree. They have only themselves to blame.
I don't believe it is right for Delbarton to face these public schools and just beat up on them. But i don't see why they are forced to play PC, Bosco, Joes etc. They should play a competitive Non-Public schedule versus teams very similar to them, like St. Anthony's in Long Island who they defeated 21-20 at the last second on friday.
The crux of the problem is all Parochials are grouped together, yet, all Parochials are not created equal. Schools like DBP, BC, SPP and to an extent PC have unlimited funds and focus on football and provide great aid to studs. The publics don't want to deal with them so they created a narrative that all non publics are powerhouses. As a result, schools like DP, Seton Hall Prep, and Delbarton have been forced to play ball. I get not wanting to get curb stomped by DBP if you are Nutley. However, I think the state needs to understand all Parochials aren't the same. DP and Joe's don't have the funds like Bosco. Delbarton doesn't rubber stamp football applicants like BC.....it's a complicated system and to date no good solution has been found.
I completely agree, I think Depaul is turning towards PC and DBP as the years go on however. Definitely agree no good solution has been brought forth.
They aren't. Trust me they don't have the funds. Last year they had kids go to Michigan(2), MSU, Nebraska, Virginia, amongst others and were stil 500. They don't have the funds to build depth. Now that the PC principal got fired and CP money is gone they are screwed as well.
This is a very complicated issue, and perhaps there is a simple solution out there. But I loathe what parochial schools have done to "local" sports. My last year working for Gannett, our sister papers had a similar issue: the boys basketball player of the year for the paper covering MIddlesex County was from Hazlet, and the girls basketball player of the year for the paper covering Somerset and Hunterdon counties was from Jersey City. And you know it's worse in football.
As for Delbarton specifically, I really don't care who they have to play. I'm just glad they don't get to beat up on publics.
High school sports slowly but surely is becoming as much of a cesspool as college. Thankfully not much money is involved, or it would be worse.
As for Delbarton specifically, I really don't care who they have to play. I'm just glad they don't get to beat up on publics.
High school sports slowly but surely is becoming as much of a cesspool as college. Thankfully not much money is involved, or it would be worse.
Dude. Delby had the best Lacrosse and Ice Hockey teams in the state last year. You are off base with the artists over athletes comment.
Good post, though with Delbarton, they certainly didn't seem to shed any tears when putting up big numbers against G1/G2 publics so I don't think they're going to be seen in too much of a sympathetic light.
Joe P.
I hear you on that last paragraph; just google 'NJ high school basketball transfers' and see if you can not shake your head at the results. This is the double-edged sword of high-level HS athletics; sure you get excellent games, but it ends up undermining the integrity and spirit of HS sports.
Joe P.
Delbarton has no easy solution except possibly following the St Benedicts route and play in a private prep conference with Blair, Peddie, Hun,etc . IMO, they are closer in ability and philosophy to BC, Joes, Bosco, Depaul, PC than to any Public that they have crushed for the last decade or 2. SHP , PJ, RBC, Immaculata seem to have the similiar issues. And of course the small parochials like Hudson C, St Marys, St Anthonys (football) have different issues and wouldn't be competitive with the bigger parochials.
Giving publics big power points just to schedule a parochial , even if they got crushed won't solve this very difficult situation. Maybe go to 4 Parochial Groups instead of 3 and somehow force the S NJ Parochials who are somewhat competitive like St Augistine, Camden Catholic, Holy Spirit come up to play at least in football. They like crushing the S NJ publics and don't want that to change, of course.
Giving publics big power points just to schedule a parochial , even if they got crushed won't solve this very difficult situation. Maybe go to 4 Parochial Groups instead of 3 and somehow force the S NJ Parochials who are somewhat competitive like St Augistine, Camden Catholic, Holy Spirit come up to play at least in football. They like crushing the S NJ publics and don't want that to change, of course.
I don't think Steve Rennard is a great example. St Joes is 20 minutes from Hazlet.
So ridiculous that some kids are talked into going to high school 45 minutes or more from home. They'll likely have to commute to work as adults - why do you want to start doing that as a 14-year-old?
One of two things must be happening - someone is footing the bill for these elite athletes at these so-called elite schools or their parent(s) are so rich that they can essentially afford to pay property taxes twice.
One of two things must be happening - someone is footing the bill for these elite athletes at these so-called elite schools or their parent(s) are so rich that they can essentially afford to pay property taxes twice.
Delbarton has been recruiting and beating up the publics for year. All of Morris County is laughing at their protests.
Again. This is just a footbal issue. Delbarton has no issues playing the Big 6 in sports like hockey and lacrosse. And they actively recruit Ridgewood and similar towns for lacrosse talent. Delbarton is known as being a feeder to Notre Dame (and other elite schools). That is why kids choose to commute to high school.
Maybe because for many of these kids if they don't make that commute as teens they'll never get a decent job when adults. As for the second "rich group", why do you care how they spend their money. Many people like the structure of Parochial schools. Others want religion included in their education. Delbarton sent something like 6 kids to Princeton last year. How many did your local town send? You don't think a kid has a better shot of getting discovered by colleges at a Parochial? I'm not talking 5 star studs here but 2 and 3 star kids who end up going to Nova or New Hampshire. they may have never been found at Manchester.
One of my family friends has a son at SHP (good football player too) and his take was this: ''well, competition wasn't a problem for them when they were racking up points against Pequonnack and other small publics'. Someone else brought up their reported lack of recruiting and he quickly brought up hockey, soccer and lacrosse.
It's not like I totally disagree with Delbarton's concerns, but people were taking shots at the public schools for bringing up these issues and many called them "whiners" and "crybabies", yet this situation is somehow 'different'?
Joe P.
It's not like I totally disagree with Delbarton's concerns, but people were taking shots at the public schools for bringing up these issues and many called them "whiners" and "crybabies", yet this situation is somehow 'different'?
Joe P.
I know about 40 Delbarton graduates . you can bet your last dollar they are one of the most entitled groups of people around.
Cry me a river Delbarton.
They recruit kids and have beaten up on public schools for decades with huge advantages.
What goes around comes around.
They recruit kids and have beaten up on public schools for decades with huge advantages.
What goes around comes around.
Years ago Delbarton had an offensive tackle named Raveche who commuted from Hoboken to Morris Twp. Ridiculous. All public schools are not the same ... The same goes for parochials. No sympathy for Delbarton. The reaction of most fans of high school sports -- crybabies. And don't for one second think the cost of attending a particular parochial school is the same for all attendees of that school. And financial assistance is not "need based", either.
This, plus I also know that DePaul did not to enter this football world; they were happy where they were, but knew (as Delbarton is learning) that you can't really fight it.
I wouldn't agree to that at all.
Jermaine Pugh is exhibit 1.
Their recruited wrestling team is Exhibit 2.
Their recruited hockey team is Exhibit 3.
Their recruited baseball team is Exhibit 4.
Lacrosse?
Soccer?
Swimming?
They just aren't on par in football. And if they thought they could buy their way into the top echelon they would.
Shed no tears for Delby, PJ and SHP getting mudholed in football this season by SPP, BC, Bosco and SJR.
I'm sure Brandon Wimbush and Minkah Fitzpatrick are regretting commuting to Jersey City from Teaneck and Old Bridge, respectively. I'm sure Minkah would have been a freshman AA, have a national championship ring and be coached by Saban had he been an Old Bridge Dragon.
You couldn't be more lost on this issue.
The best want to be with the best--athletically, educationally, spiritually and socially. Period. It's why people pay $30k to send their kid to Delby or $15k plus another $5k to commute to Jersey City. Or Oradell. Or Ramsey. Or Montvale.
I'd guess about 5 kids in the Old Bridge program would make it through a Bosco practice, let alone excel. Cream rises. Like wants to be around like.
It's not so much where they spend their money but your tone about being able/willing to spend it.......
"or their parent(s) are so rich that they can essentially afford to pay property taxes twice."
IMHO, parochial or private schools (who can pick and choose their students and can draw players from a wide geographic area) should not be in the same league as public schools (who must draw solely from their district). The publics are at a significant competitive disadvantage.
When it comes to Delbarton, I completely disagree with Rutgersdiehard1 that Delbarton is somehow different than Don Bosco Prep, St. Joes, Bergen Catholic, DePaul, Paramus Catholic. Delbarton is every bit as much of an "athletic powerhouse" as those other schools and is at no competitive disadvantage. I'm very familiar with Don Bosco Prep, Bergen Catholic, St. Joes and Paramus Catholic, and the vast majority of the students at those schools come from nearby towns. Do some kids come from farther away to play? Sure. But that's due to the football reputation these schools have achieved over the years and the desire of kids to want to play at the best school at the highest level, to further their college football ambitions. And if they want to, and are willing to put up with the commute, why not? Kids gravitate to Delbarton for the same reason.
His comment that those schools "recruit kids from all over to play for their football team, while being held under no academic standard", is uninformed and disrespectful. Academically, those are all very well respected schools. Do they want to win, sure. But they are no more likely to give a football player a "free pass" academically than is Delbarton.
Lastly, his comment that Delbarton "prefers artists over athletes", is just laughable. The many athletic championships Delbarton has won would seem to indicate otherwise.
When it comes to Delbarton, I completely disagree with Rutgersdiehard1 that Delbarton is somehow different than Don Bosco Prep, St. Joes, Bergen Catholic, DePaul, Paramus Catholic. Delbarton is every bit as much of an "athletic powerhouse" as those other schools and is at no competitive disadvantage. I'm very familiar with Don Bosco Prep, Bergen Catholic, St. Joes and Paramus Catholic, and the vast majority of the students at those schools come from nearby towns. Do some kids come from farther away to play? Sure. But that's due to the football reputation these schools have achieved over the years and the desire of kids to want to play at the best school at the highest level, to further their college football ambitions. And if they want to, and are willing to put up with the commute, why not? Kids gravitate to Delbarton for the same reason.
His comment that those schools "recruit kids from all over to play for their football team, while being held under no academic standard", is uninformed and disrespectful. Academically, those are all very well respected schools. Do they want to win, sure. But they are no more likely to give a football player a "free pass" academically than is Delbarton.
Lastly, his comment that Delbarton "prefers artists over athletes", is just laughable. The many athletic championships Delbarton has won would seem to indicate otherwise.
Don't be an ass and put down kids in a high school program that's actually quite good and does it without any of the shenanigans at the schools you referenced. The Old Bridge junior QB has 16 offers already. Look it up. Somehow he was discovered.
You make it like the GMC with Piscataway, South Brunswick and Sayreville plays awful football and doesn't send kids to major college programs and even the NFL.
There's more to high school ball in the state than 5 teams of mercenaries in Bergen County.
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You are blowing a lot of smoke here. Wimbush and Fitzpatrick are the wrong examples to use. Both are elite athletes that would have been targets of the top programs regardless of where they played their ball. Isn't there a QB at Old Bridge HS right now, not nearly as elite an athlete, who will end up as a Florida Gator? And the kid probably has a normal life going on, including hanging with and playing alongside life-long friends and giving back to the community. And without pissing away multiple hours a day commuting.
I can't speak to Begen schools but I know St Joe's Metuchen well. Football has become such a huge deal to the Parocial schools because it drives enrollment. Fewer parents are making the financial sacrifice to pay to send their kids to these schools. (Not everyone is rich who sends their kids to these schools; a lot of times the parents simply choose to spend the money on their kids education rather than themselves.). In order to make up the shortfall in enrollment a lot of these schools (like St Joe's) pushed to develop football specifically because it draws so many kids. A natural byproduct is the desire to win.
Doesn't anyone have a child that takes the bus? My kids are on the bus for 50 minutes in the morning and the school is 3 miles away. How is that different than a kid taking a train everyday?
@ruhudsonfan , the St. Peter's version of BBMMTM. LOL :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
And nice job with the hit and run OP. I wonder who he really is?
And nice job with the hit and run OP. I wonder who he really is?
