Don't tell me rettig can't hand the ball off or pass worse than these guys..
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If he removes the roll out from the playbook, his playbook becomes 3 pages long.
Pretty funny how the thoughts of the brilliant message board coaches on this board have evolved over the past 9 -10 months. As Flood was being replaced, all the message board wizards were absolutely convinced that there was NO WAY a coaching staff other than Flood’s would ever select Laviano over Rettig in 2016 and they were 100% certain Rettig would be the starter this year. Then after Laviano became the starter and was not playing like Dan Marino, they were 100% sure another QB on the roster would change the outcome against these top 5 teams, then when Oden and Allen showed on the field that they weren’t the answer, the tune has now changed to be that the OC is horrible and should be able to scheme out ANY of our talent discrepancies and should be able to move the ball so much better than we have shown. Why are we paying millions of dollars to Ash and company when we have such brilliant football minds right here on this thread !! Maybe they would be willing to sit down with Ash to share their thoughts.
I'm all for developing younger QBs but that's not what they are doing. Btw, two of three staffs are now unemployed.
Rendering their football resumes and exposure to Rettig still considerably greater than yours. One of those staffs won a national championship. How many have you been able to secure via your internet evaluations of back-up talent.
Ah, back-up QBs. They're all so good.
I'll use your argument to make my point. They played a former back-up QB who TCU thought was a better WR than QB. What do you think about TCU's staff and their valuation?
Rettig is gonna graduate and transfer. He isn't going to play here boys. Why continually bring it up.
Why? Nobody else that played this year can show that they can throw the ball. Rettig showed that he can throw the ball. This formula leads to the his name being brought up weekly.
This helps your argument? This makes Rettig look better? TCU's staff was right. I haven't heard anyone suggest that Allen should have started over Boykin, a pre-season Heisman candidate, or that, given the presence of a Heisman candidate, Allen shouldn't have tried QB in his final year to exploit his athleticism. If only Rettig had transferred to TCU instead of here. You would have been pining for him there.
Here Rettig is, at his second school, under his third staff, and on the wrong end of yet another depth chart. One that includes that QB who played WR his final year at TCU. Get it. You're staking your internet football expertise on a perennial back-up who has transferred away from one staff and been placed down the depth chart by three by offering the fanniest fan point of all-time, one that echos across the country and NFL every year: play the back-up QB, I know he is better, and this staff and multiple others were wrong.
Got it.
it is really sad that this is what we are reduced to hoping for on offense. Jtung hit it right on the head.
serious question (and I think the answer is no) but is there any value to him by not playing at all this year? I mean he already did his RS thing and no way he gets more than 1 more grad year whether he plays or not right? (just wondering if there was any other consideration in play here).
yet the product they've put out got 39 yards of offense and didn't even get in field goal range against the 3rd stringers over the past two weeks. Either play Oden 100% of the time or give Gio/Rettig a chance. There is zero reason besides injury that Allen/Laviano should ever play again
So glad to see Allen in there. Was not happy with the results but so much better to try something! Seeing Laviano struggle week after week and get no better just destroys the flawed logic of more reps = better play. Maybe that works for some but obviously not for all.
I am no coach but if it were me, I would give Allen a couple more quarters and then pull the plug for Gio or Rettig. Why the F not?
Posters who like to disparage fans calling for the backup QB are laughable. By the 1,243rd snap that the light goes on for the starter (if it ever does), they will open their eyes and see that there are no fans left in the stadium. I am not saying you do it for the fans. You do it in the hope that your practice analysis was wrong. You do it hoping that you find out that some perform better under pressure, real pressure.
I suspect that Rettig has a laid back California vibe that must have turned off the east coast and midwestern staffs and that is why he hasn't gotten back on to the field. Who knows?
But as before, I am glad we at least finally got to see Allen and I don't really care that he wasn't any better than Laviano. I am only a fan of one team and at least I can believe that the team might look a little better the next time if I know that the coach just might change the key player and we might discover a diamond we didn't know we had.
If we go through all our QB's and we don't find a diamond, then so be it. Can it really be any worse than we witnessed Saturday and the Saturday before that?
I am no coach but if it were me, I would give Allen a couple more quarters and then pull the plug for Gio or Rettig. Why the F not?
Posters who like to disparage fans calling for the backup QB are laughable. By the 1,243rd snap that the light goes on for the starter (if it ever does), they will open their eyes and see that there are no fans left in the stadium. I am not saying you do it for the fans. You do it in the hope that your practice analysis was wrong. You do it hoping that you find out that some perform better under pressure, real pressure.
I suspect that Rettig has a laid back California vibe that must have turned off the east coast and midwestern staffs and that is why he hasn't gotten back on to the field. Who knows?
But as before, I am glad we at least finally got to see Allen and I don't really care that he wasn't any better than Laviano. I am only a fan of one team and at least I can believe that the team might look a little better the next time if I know that the coach just might change the key player and we might discover a diamond we didn't know we had.
If we go through all our QB's and we don't find a diamond, then so be it. Can it really be any worse than we witnessed Saturday and the Saturday before that?
With OSU and Michigan out of the way, I hope they hand the offense over to Oden. It will give him half a season to develop and then compete with Lewis next year for the starting spot.
I have no idea what your point is. I'm staking my internet football expertise based on results. Why did we play a backup WR over a backup QB? I'm not saying Rettig is great but clearly he is the better passer than CL and Allen. If we are a wildcat or an option team, then we should play TO because he is the best runner. We have to stop playing guys that are not good at passing or running.
Wow! This argument again! He was only a true freshman with the first staff. The second staff was Kyle Flood (no further explanations needed) and the third staff has a fetish for running quarterbacks which Rettig cannot do. He can however, throw the ball and that is why I and many others keep bringing his name up. I also think that he gives us the best chance to beat Illinois, Indiana and Minnesota. Many others do so too. I also know that he would not have helped in the last two games.
Do you mean that he can physically throw the ball, that he has a strong arm, or that he has established somehow that he is an effective passer for a P5 school? If it's the latter, I haven't seen him come close to establishing that.
Setting aside that this is the greatest message board sentence of all time, what exactly are these vast irrefutable results that you are hanging your pages of dead-certain argument on?
Funny that most fan's favorite player is the back up QB.
Rutgers fans have set themselves apart with all is man love for a 5th string QB. I have no doubt if they knew who was 6th string, they'd be calling for him the minute Rettig took the field.
tried screens against michigan in the first half. michigan had it covered every time
He led Rutgers to a TD last year against OSU. How did the others do against the backups in the game against OSU and Michigan this year? It's not the latter because he has not been given a chance but what do I know? I am just a physician that only played HS football. I am not a coach nor a sports journalist.
In other words, you don't know that he "can throw." That's really the only reasonable response you can give. Just another reason that calls that fans know better about the 4th string QB than this coaching staff and the others is silly.
How about the number of completions in the last two games? This offense is based on quick short easy passes but we still can't complete them. Do you really want to talk facts and numbers?
I was just referencing the board's gripe about DM's age, not actually taking shots at the board's greybeards [cheers]
Pleased don't tell me you're surprised by this. Hasn't every coach Rutgers has had over the past decade plus been called "clueless", "stubborn", etc?
Only the "experts" know right? That's why Dak Prescott was passed over 134 times and drafted in the 4th round. And if it wasn't for Romo busting his back he wouldn't have been given a chance...
(and don't anyone even think for 1 second I am suggesting Rettig is DP)
every QB on the team this year has been given some reps except the 1 guy who ran for a 42yard TD and the other guy who actually threw for a few last year (without carroo) and ran one in too.
I'm all for getting Oden reps..but I am not ready to toss the season just yet (we lose to Ill and you can play the team manager for all I care).
hey at 58, I'm hoping to live more years than he has been alive :) :pray:
How does the last point about this staff's fetish for running QB's make any sense at all? They starting Laviano. Cripes- you just can't make this shit up
We need a change but it ain't Rettig
What?
I mean that he can probably complete a higher number of passes than the players who got PT this year. He, however, cannot scramble for yardage if there is a play breakdown.
Just saying that based on his small body of work last year (Norfolk State, OSU, etc.) and the QB play this year (CL 6 yards passing and ZA -1 yards passing during the last game- one example), he deserves a chance. I am not saying that I wanted to see him during the last 2 games because it would be have been a setup for failure to face those 2 defenses for the first PT for the year. Instead, it would have been better to see him in the games against NM, Iowa and Howard.
he deserves a chance
Based on what? If he earned a chance he would get it. He hasn't earned a chance.
He is burred in the dept chart, he is the 5th string QB.
Laviano
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Why do you think that is because the coaches hate him? it's a secret plot by OSU to keep RU down and Ash i an agent of Meyer? Why do people keep calling his name? He has to earn a the position. He hasn't.
Based on what? If he earned a chance he would get it. He hasn't earned a chance.
He is burred in the dept chart, he is the 5th string QB.
Laviano
Allen
Oden
Gio
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Rettig
Why do you think that is because the coaches hate him? it's a secret plot by OSU to keep RU down and Ash i an agent of Meyer? Why do people keep calling his name? He has to earn a the position. He hasn't.
not talking about "bubble screens" where you are throwing right into the rushing defense. talking about the one you throw where the QB is dropping back to save his life and you throw OVER the rushing defense not into them.
Plenty of opportunities given the running for his life part..
