Duke vs NC State
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Bloom is off this rose. Both they and UNC are headed to the bubble
Dylan might choose Duke to get playing time, lol...
Duke may be good again in 10 years because they have tradition and will hire a new coach. Kind of like USC who hasn’t been relevant since 2004 until this year 2022.
But for now, and can’t believe I’m saying this, but Duke and Rutgers are 2 basketball programs headed in opposite directions for the near and foreseeable future
But for now, and can’t believe I’m saying this, but Duke and Rutgers are 2 basketball programs headed in opposite directions for the near and foreseeable future
Duke‘s coach sucks. Soft as hell & can’t win with 5 stars. RU wud blow them out at the RAC.
They R calling for his head on the Duke boards.
They R calling for his head on the Duke boards.
This is funny. Scheyer will be fine and consistently win at the highest level. The one and done model is not sustainable and they will reach into the portal more heavily. His players and the basketball alumni really like him. And something else is true. Rutgers would beat them at home and on a neutral floor tomorrow. Can't over estimate experience.
Curious why you think he will win at a high level. He has no track record. And alums and players like him now. Let’s see how much they like him when he doesn’t deliver.
Come to Duke & watch your draft status drop lol. Scheyer might not make it 2 years
3 reasons-
I know him and he has a great basketball mind and a tremendous rapport with recruits
My good friend Coach K swears by him
My basketball mentor and one of the closest people in my life,Howard Garfinkel swore by him as a player and as a young coach. That sealed it.
Got it. He has a monster roster so no excuses.
I look forward to Duke’s first round exit from the NIT.
Again, Duke is Duke and I get that, but with K gone, that gives me hope that we can land Harper. Why is Duke’s coaching that much better ours? Why not be coached by Pike over Scheyer? I’m sure Scheyer knows his stuff, but he’s still new to this. I don’t think going to Duke is such a no brainer
Bill Walsh had great things to say about Terry Shea too.
That screen grab reminds me of Ash vs. Michigan.
Pike is clearly a better coach than Scheyer at this point. Pike has a track record of success everywhere he has been rebuilding terrible programs and taking them to the top of the conference. He has 300 wins
Scheyer has a roster with more talent than any team it plays and so far isn't finding a way to get it done. Obviously it's extremelyyyy early in his career and he might end up being an amazing coach... but he might not... it's not a given. Not everyone is cut out for the head job.
Maybe he is better suited as an assistant? What is the track record of success for first time head coaches taking over for legends at blue blood programs? A head coach with no head coaching experience is not automatic. It's a risk
UNC wasn't very good in the regular season last year either. They got hot in the ACC tournament. Both teams fans will not put up with this for long, the coaches will be on the hot seat.
Love this fanbase. One solid win and we're putting Duke in the rearview mirror hahaha.
Not really but history proves when a legendary coach moves on the program struggles until it regains its footing.
Indiana (post Bob Knight)
UNC (post Dean Smith)
UConn (post Calhoun)
Nova (post Jay Wright)
There are exceptions. Bill Self kept Kansas rolling post-Roy Williams, but Self was a proven HC already. Scheyer has never run a program before.
They shifted their apparents. One was doing an apprenticeship add an JC, the other night his time at the side of the master. The latter is how they went.
Of course Steve is a better head coach now. He has a great track record. Coach K is one of the smartest people I know and there is no way on earth that he would sully his legend or legacy with a bad hire. Remember,he bucked the University President who wanted to hire Amaker. Duke and UNC aren't going anywhere,especially in a league which may be down for a while.Once again,he needs to build through the portal. I do think that Duke having an uneven start and maybe sitting with a worse seed than Rutgers this season could help with Dylan.It remains a close call. The 100% Duke prediction seems way off base.
Agree with all of that. I had a typo and I meant to say 'heir apparent' and of course I was referring to Amaker. I have no opinion about Scheyer, but agree with others that no new coach is a sure thing. Still I think it is highly likely he succeed.
The one who teed up all of this success at Duke of course was Rutgers own Bill Foster. My family knew and liked him. I was sad that Utah lured him away...
Thanks 72, i always appreciate your posts, and I do believe the Dookies will be fine going forward. However, they have a hole to climb out of if they want to be perennial Final 4 contenders like they were with Coach K. Just ask UCLA after John Wooden (they haven’t come close to the program they once were).
Everything you list about why Scheyer will succeed is relevant, but none of it is a guarantee. They are just as many “can’t misses” that miss then there are that succeed. Duke has enjoyed tremendous advantages for many years and I for one will not shed a tear IF they struggle for the foreseeable future.
Kind of off topic here, but USC in 2022 is a borderline top 25 team. For one season. They might get back to the USC of old but they haven't done it yet.
Michigan and Notre Dame, who both had periods in recent memory where they were kind of wandering in the wilderness before getting back to being relevant on a yearly basis seem like better examples to me.
Coach K's opinion of Scheyer is about as bias as it gets. Former player who then coached with him for a decade. Coaches tend to pick favorites and he has always loved Scheyer. He's wayyyy too close to Scheyer to have an objective opinion
Again, maybe he will be great. I'm not saying he won't be, but you can't deny it's a risk. It's a bigger risk than many seem to think. As @bitnez pointed out other elite programs habe seen drop offs when their legendary coach left and everyone thought they would be fine too. It's actually much more rare that there isn't a drop off so if you think there won't be, you're going against the odds.
He has ZERO head coaching experience. Being an assistant coach at Duke recruiting for Coach K might have been the easiest assistant coaching and recruiting gig in all of basketball. Learning on the job as a first time head coach at Duke taking over for a legend doesn't exactly feel like a lock for success to me
Pike is a more known quantity and a safer option at this point
Why does Duke need build through the portal when they land nothing but elite recruits year after year after year?
Are you saying Scheyer needs to build through the portal?
Their class of 2022 signed four 5* and four 4* players. (How the heck do you add eight guys in one year?) The year before was three 5* (one was Banchero, he's gone) and one 3*. The class before that had four 5* and two 4* players. Either the recruiting rankings are bad, or the cupboard is not bare. Does Scheyer have what it takes to mold those players into a successful team? That's TBD.
It is NEVER easy to replace a legend. North Carolina faded over time after Dean Smith until Roy Williams came, who was an established very good head coach. Guthridge did manage to bring the team to two Final Fours in his three seasons after Smith. Indiana still hasn't matched the Knight years. UCLA was accustomed to perennial championship runs, and that went away after Wooden. We all expect Syracuse will really struggle whenever Boeheim steps down.
Agreed about the one and done to me that is why I really don't mind the 3 stars and the occasional 4star; Lets face it if Dylan chooses Rutgers is he a one and done? I feel better with the players who stay at least 3 years
The one and done model was sustainable at Duke for a while now. Why is it all of a sudden not sustainable?
If they go away from one and dones, now you are completely changing the Duke blueprint for recent success. Will they be more successful using the portal more and blue chip recruits less?
Going away from the blueprint of success at Duke would just be one more variable to question. One more unknown.
If they go away from one and dones, now you are completely changing the Duke blueprint for recent success. Will they be more successful using the portal more and blue chip recruits less?
Going away from the blueprint of success at Duke would just be one more variable to question. One more unknown.
Dukes domination is owed to the unique ability of K, the approach he was fortunate to deploy, some talented white players that lifted program aloft on the wings of subtle racism. Other programs dependent on money and cheating, could not compete with the media darling. Scheyer might be excellent but he would have to be more than excellent and more than extremely lucky to resist the law of gravity and regression to the mean that will pull Duke from its loft perch. There are a dozen other programs that are a better choice for Dylan Harper and RU is one of them. I don't see Dylan as an NBA lock much less a one-and-done, but he will be a great college baller
You know crap about UNC just like the crap you spew about our players. UNC went to the final game last year . Hubert Davis is beloved and recruiting is back on the upswing. He is going nowhere. Plus he got his players , David , Love and Becot and Black to come back for another year which was a tremendous recruiting job on its own.
They are struggling on both ends of the court and they miss Brady Manek who hit key threes last year and Pete Nance started out well but has reverted to what he was in the Big 10 , a big body who will hit an occasional three . He hasn’t replaced Manek. They are still talented enough to make a run in this year of parity.
I believe the post said regular season. I guess you have reading comprehension issue.
Roy Williams was the 3rd head coach after Dean Smith.
Bill Guthridge was there three years and went to the Final Four twice.
Matt Doherty took over for three years. Second round loss to Penn State; a losing season; and an NIT season.
Then Roy Williams came from Kansas to turn things around.
I don’t think we’re putting Duke in the rear view mirror. We’re simply stacking up Pike against Scheyer
For you to say that Sheyer consistently wins at the highest level, you are way too emotional in this. No one knows for sure. And he is off to a bad start.
So they bring back 4 starters, plus recruit near the top of the country and they are out of the top 25 and you think that's ok with their fans. UNC and Duke are not Rutgers, they are not happy just being to the top 25, they expect to be in the top 5 every year. If not, heads will roll. Apparently it's you that doesn't know much about UNC basketball.
