Edsall soon out?
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Uh, the only people not cursing out Shea back then were his family and our opponents.
If Kelly is anywhere but with the Eagles next year, he is in Austin, Texas. They supposedly have some oil-money booster who wants that to happen. And that would be a good spot for Chip, too. He isn't going to Maryland, regardless. That's a basketball school.
I actually think that Edsall is underrated. If I could hire anyone in the world, it wouldn't be him, but the guy has won at places where it isn't easy. UConn, for one. Impossible place to recruit. He took that slop of a program to a BCS game, for God's sake. And he did OK in his first year in the Big Ten, too. I don't follow that program closely enough to know what Fridge left behind, but it probably wasn't great. The stock of talent wasn't great there when Fridge was rolling. Edsall could be caught up in a year where a bad class is supposed to be playing a prominent role in that program, but the players aren't there. That isn't on him. I think it would be foolish to send this guy off just yet.
I really do believe that will happen. I am Eagles fan and still want Chip to succeed, but it's looking more and more like he's going to pull a Petrino and Texas would have no problem making that happen. He went out on a limb and it's about to fall off. I still can't fathom how he has managed the O-Line or lack of one now thanks to cutting guys loose and ignoring it in the draft.
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Edsell made a couple of brain fart moves against RU last year, and really should have won that game..... tack on that one more
victory and last season was a big success..... ( bowl game excluded)
I do credit RU for pulling that game out, but the coaching of Maryland helped a lot.
You're right, I watched that one and was not impressed. I actually meant to mention that as a "but..." to the part of my post that mentioned last year.
Like I said, if I could hire anyone at all, it wouldn't be him. But I think (by and large) he's pretty good. I'd like to see what he could do in a program that's already strong. Didn't ND sniff around him before they chose Brian Kelly?
It was a huge mistake to fire the Fridge as it was to fire Wanny. Both deserved better. Edsall is very underrated. Anybody who could win even a little at UConn deserves kudos. They have been a mess since he left. Maryland could do a lot worst. They appear to have deep pockets but Edsall deserves better too.
I disagree on firing Fridge. You can't have a HC who has given up on recruiting. He could coach but he had basically given up on really running the program at that point in time.
Whoever Maryland hires, It cannot be much worse for Rutgers than having to compete with Meyer,Harbaugh, Dantonio and Franklin every year for wins and recruits. If Rutgers does not hire a big time coach, it will never be a player in this league division.
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They might have..... The thing about Edsall and Brian Kelley is that neither seem like a nice person when you watch them on the sideline..... I know that should not be important, but it would bother me if we had a coach that gives off that impression...... Maybe it is just me.....
I agree. Same thing with Harbaugh. They just seem like huge assholes, and who wants to root for that?
If they are assholes and they win you can overlook that. If they don't win then being an asshole is a problem. I wouldn't mind an asshole that wins here.
Chip would fit in great. He loves coaching college teams with ugly uniforms and great talent
Why do fanboard people always think the next head coach will be akin to the second coming of Christ?
Programs do actually slip backward with new hires. Do you remember Terry Shea?
Programs do actually slip backward with new hires. Do you remember Terry Shea?
This is do or die time for RU.
If Maryland fires Edsall, and we keep Flood, you can kiss success good bye for close to the next decade.
This admin needs standards, and quick.
If Maryland fires Edsall, and we keep Flood, you can kiss success good bye for close to the next decade.
This admin needs standards, and quick.
ESPN's Joe Schad is confirming the report now. They said they're trying to figure out the management of the in season termination but he won't be the coach next year.
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I doubt we make a mid season change since our situations have seemed to die down now..... From this point on we play big time games and how we do from here on out will be just as important as the transgressions, when it comes to keeping Flood...
I believe he can save his job by over achieving..... Hopefully it begins Saturday.... Root to win here, even if you feel we get "stuck" with Flood thereafter.
Define success. Because there are a lot of things, like churning through coaches, that would mean we can kiss success good bye for close to the next decade.
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I find Edsall to be a very good coach. Look at what he did at UCONN with two and three star athletes, very impressive. I believe that he had a difficult time recruiting in and around Maryland which explains his lack of W's. If MD lets him go and we're looking for a HC I would give Edsall serious consideration.
agree. IIRC Kelly came in and started kicking Schiano's butt immediately and never lost against him. Kelly's teams during those years at Cincy clicked like a well oiled machine. Edsall? not so much. not impressed.
For your sake, I hope you don't mean that. Don't you think that having a "difficult time recruiting in and around Maryland" is a big problem? Specifically because the area is well known for producing quality talent. He dug himself his own hole. Fridge didn't leave him with much, but he left him much better off than we are right now. Edsall's "crown jewel" so to speak is the 2016 recruiting class, which he will never get to coach.
You can have him. Believe me you don't want him.
BRG: I respectfully disagree. I believe Brian Kelly had much more latitude at Cincinnati. I believe Kelly had the full cooperation of the UC where Edsall had to be a bit more careful at UCONN. I remember Kelly recruiting highly talented athletes who were categorized borderline kids. Didn't you find it odd how in two short years he was beating WV and winning the BIG EAST while going to several BCS bowl games. Yes, Kelly was good but he also had the horses on the field to get him to that finish line. To be honest with you I think he's wasting away at Notre Dame. I would love to see what Brian Kelly is capable of at a school like Texas, Miami, Auburn or even Pitt.
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Maryland issued the most damning noon-rebuttal ever saying basically, hes gonna be coach on Saturday.
This certainly puts the pressure on RU.
And on a side note - since MD is so close to DC, they should probably just agree to kill two birds with one stone and make the next MD coch the House Speaker as well.
This certainly puts the pressure on RU.
And on a side note - since MD is so close to DC, they should probably just agree to kill two birds with one stone and make the next MD coch the House Speaker as well.
- Not emailing professors when told not to repeatedly
- Not having 6 arrests for violent crimes
- Not being 0-7 v top 25 teams with average loss margin of 27 points to those teams
By those standards, we won't churn, and you know it. Flood sucks exceptionally badly. The Floodie logic of late is that we will have to go through multiple coaches, essentially arguing anyone we get will suck when that is total bull. We could hire a former MAC coach and shocker so have a ton of B1G schools to great success. We could hire a p5 assistant which is working really great for Pitt and Ville.
So you can cut the crap on this argument and search for another one, integrity and bashing Schiano seem to be the major go tos, but blaming JH and Barchi for Flood sucking against anyone with a pulse hasn't come up in a while, so maybe give that one a whirl.
I'm not bashing anybody. Well maybe I'm bashing you a little bit, but not Schiano or Flood. And I'm only teasing you because you take this stuff so seriously and so personally.
Anybody we hire could be successful. But doing the same thing we've done with the last couple coaches is much more likely to produce the same results we got with the last two coaches than to magically improve things. We still won't be able to consistently compete w/the top tier B1G teams.
That's what's most likely at 2.5MM or less w/poor assistant coach salaries. You can stomp and shout about Flood all you want. But if you keep doing the same thing (paying mediocre salaries to unproven coaches) and expect a different result, then you're, by definition, insane.
If we're going after the same crappy level of coach, why not just keep the crappy one we have and save the extra 1.5MM? You may feel the arrests are his fault, but at best that's arguable and at worst, it's just ridiculous speculation. If he survives all this, he's certainly not going to make any more mistakes trying to help players out academically (if he did, I'd be leading the band-wagon to fire him). And he's capable of getting us to 8-5 seasons, which is about what you can expect w/any crappy coach in the B1G. We're not playing Schiano's cupcake schedule anymore. Consistently going better than 8-5 is going to take more than marginal improvement in every area, from the head coach & coordinators, to position coaches to recruiting.
Like I said, we might get lucky and get a really successful MAC or even D-III coach to translate that success to P5 D-I level (and there are some out there who would probably come in a heartbeat). But that's wishful thinking and has low odds of success.
That is just ridiculous. First of all, define "proven". Florida hired the Colorado State coach, and they are ranked now. Utah originally hired Meyer from Bowling Green. There are only two coaches who were really proven in the B1G before they got their jobs, Harbaugh and Meyer. Maybe Franklin and Riley to a much lower degree. No one is asking for that, and to say that should be the bar when Florida and Auburn are hiring midmajor coaches is absurd.
You claim Flood has "proven" he can get 8 wins....so then why didn't we have 11 wins under Schiano every year? It was one time in a weak year for the conference- we beat 2 winning teams by the skin of our teeth and one was OOC...and yet, Flood has also proven he can go 6-7 in a midmajor league and get blown out by a 3 win team...
You cannot just pick and choose here...and we are looking at another 3 win season. If he produces two atrocious seasons and beat 4 winning teams in 4 years, what is so "proven" besides bad news before we even get to the off the field antics...
You claim Flood has "proven" he can get 8 wins....so then why didn't we have 11 wins under Schiano every year? It was one time in a weak year for the conference- we beat 2 winning teams by the skin of our teeth and one was OOC...and yet, Flood has also proven he can go 6-7 in a midmajor league and get blown out by a 3 win team...
You cannot just pick and choose here...and we are looking at another 3 win season. If he produces two atrocious seasons and beat 4 winning teams in 4 years, what is so "proven" besides bad news before we even get to the off the field antics...
Any new coach we hire may very well suck so let's stay with the sucky coach we already have. At least he works cheap. The rutgers rallying cry.
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