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EJ Barthel Let Go

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Per NJ.com

Dan Duggan ‏@DDuggan21 12m12 minutes ago

Added a few notes to this story, most notably recruiting coordinator EJ Barthel has been let go, per sources:
 
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OK ... it is hard to have much of an opinion on this - too many factors are unknown.

Began to appear that Barthel could have some value to contribute - but was not viewed as enough to be considered to be totally 'indispensable'.
It also appears that Barthel was making a genuine good faith effort to support the new staff & provide continuity.
So, did he earn himself an enhanced separation package? We don't know ...
We also don't know if he has identified another opportunity & would be better off moving on with said package in his pocket - rather than having to quit & leave package behind.
 
don't see the benefit of doing it before the end of the 2016 cycle. He knows the local kids and the area, could have bridged the gap short-term to get recruits to visit so that Ash could close.
 
OK ... it is hard to have much of an opinion on this - too many factors are unknown.

Began to appear that Barthel could have some value to contribute - but was not viewed as enough to be considered to be totally 'indispensable'.
It also appears that Barthel was making a genuine good faith effort to support the new staff & provide continuity.
So, did he earn himself an enhanced separation package? We don't know ...
We also don't know if he has identified another opportunity & would be better off moving on with said package in his pocket - rather than having to quit & leave package behind.
Good assessment. I'm looking it as this way. New staff that feels confident they do not need a existing staff member to help for the future. While it's not great to lose your job, I'm OK with Ash brining in his own guy to build new relationships. And let's be honest, Barthel may have had connections but he was hired because he personally trained Rashan Gary, Walker and JG and look at how those relationships panned out. Not saying he was the reason they all went elsewhere but it clearly didn't help. We don't need sympathy top 5 from these kids. I'm trusting with what Ash has planned on the banks.
 
honest question -- what are the requirements for a recruiting coordinator? I assume you need to be energetic, connection with kids, know social media, etc. is that it? the guy CA just brought in is 25 years old. it looks like he was at OSU for 1-2 years and got hired when he brought in a big time recruit. before that he was a HS OC.
 
There's a reason, clueless as to what is but there is. I'm sure Coach Ash looked at every angle and advantage to keeping EJ and felt Caltury was a better option for his plan.
Gotta trust Ash here, it was a calculated decision, not random.
I saw that Caltury was brought in as the head of recruiting. But I was hoping EJ could've stayed on in support.
 
There's a reason, clueless as to what is but there is. I'm sure Coach Ash looked at every angle and advantage to keeping EJ and felt Caltury was a better option for his plan.
Gotta trust Ash here, it was a calculated decision, not random.


100% agree - my impression is that bringing in Caltury is not just bringing in a guy who can really develop rapport with recruits - it is also bringing a guy who will construct / implement Ash's vision of a recruiting process that heavily involves systems, metrics, strategies - and technology.
EJ appeared to represent traditional relationship based selling - yes, that is still important in the world of B1G recruiting, but it is impossible to be leading edge without all of the other pieces.
 
It is the same all over, not just sports. The company I work
for has gone thru 5 presidents since I came here. Every one
of them brought in friends, next store neighbors, relatives,
people that they work with before, etc. People are just going to
go with people they are comfortable with. Just coincidently our
new owners took us over today, and had their first meeting,
reassuring us not to work worry the changes will be gradual
taking up to the rest of year.
Today we only lost our president, chief financial officer, and
company lawyer. Nice first day.
 
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It is the same all over, not just sports. The company I work
for has gone thru 5 presidents since I came here. Every one
of them brought in friends, next store neighbors, relatives,
people that they work with before, etc. People are just going to
go with people they are comfortable with. Just coincidently our
new owners took us over today, and had their first meeting,
reassuring us not to work worry the changes will be gradual
taking up to the rest of year.
Today we only lost our president, chief financial officer, and
company lawyer. Nice first day.
If I was taking over a team or a company I would no go with friends and family…I'd go with who's available to me that offers us the greatest chance for success.
 
If I was taking over a team or a company I would no go with friends and family…I'd go with who's available to me that offers us the greatest chance for success.
You go into business with people you trust.

That said, It's just easier to go with folks/personalities you already know/understand, especially those in leadership positions.
 
Friends and peop,e you are comfortable with are two different things. Every good leader brings in people they are comfortable with. Said another way, they are aligned.

It doesn't always mean they are best buds.
 
It is the same all over, not just sports. The company I work
for has gone thru 5 presidents since I came here. Every one
of them brought in friends, next store neighbors, relatives,
people that they work with before, etc. People are just going to
go with people they are comfortable with. Just coincidently our
new owners took us over today, and had their first meeting,
reassuring us not to work worry the changes will be gradual
taking up to the rest of year.
Today we only lost our president, chief financial officer, and
company lawyer. Nice first day.
Happy New Year. Experienced the same things over the years as outside consultant for many large companies. Years of experience and knowledge of business means zero when new person in charge wants to hire their buddies and/or people they are comfortable with. It's life. Agree with Zap too--one downside of hiring friends and neighbors is if they fail and you have to make tough decisions, you have to consider firing your friend or neighbor. Had to do this once on a project many years ago and it was very unpleasant.
 
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With Fuller's recent comments, this class is starting to look like a wash for Top NJ kids. The Dead Period couldn't have come at a worse time. I have no doubt Ash will kill it going forward but as for this class, woof. I don't feel great about it. UMD already got a Top MD kid in and all ours are leaving the state.
 
Ultimately, we must move away from the Big East mentality and into the B1G East Division mentality.

Getting big names to come on campus by giving them free tickets and tours is not good enough if you can't help close the deal and we never had a chance in the 1st place. Anyone could do that.

We must try something different. We can't keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results.
 
With Fuller's recent comments, this class is starting to look like a wash for Top NJ kids. The Dead Period couldn't have come at a worse time. I have no doubt Ash will kill it going forward but as for this class, woof. I don't feel great about it. UMD already got a Top MD kid in and all ours are leaving the state.

Blame you know who for that. Hopefully, we can somehow make chick salad out of....

I agree however that moving forward, things should get better and better.
 
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With Fuller's recent comments, this class is starting to look like a wash for Top NJ kids. The Dead Period couldn't have come at a worse time. I have no doubt Ash will kill it going forward but as for this class, woof. I don't feel great about it. UMD already got a Top MD kid in and all ours are leaving the state.

What exactly did Fuller say that makes you think this? I read his last official may be to RU...
 
You have to hit bottom before you can climb to the top, a place we have never been and never may be.But he has to try. The administration seems to be totally behind what the process is now. He is just expediting what was already happening.. If you cant wait for him to build it then you have not been a Rutgers fan for more than a minute..This hire could be last chance junction. I have said that before but this time I really believe it.
 
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Possible EJ may have been offered a non-director role and simply didn't want it.

I got that impression from Duggan's article. The fact they're discussing a role for Campanile makes me think they offered the same to EJ, but he declined. Just pure speculation though.
 
EJ was learning how to be a recruiting director "on the job" supported by the old staff. Our new recruiting director had slightly more time on the job but learned from the Ohio State staff. EJ previously worked his own training company where he developed really good relationships with top 5 talent, all of which didn't come here. Our new guy was a HS coach with presumably a similar claim to fame. Experience wise they are identical except our guy learned from Ash and the Ohio State way of doing things and EJ learned from Flood. Objectively speaking, there was no reason to keep EJ other than his relationship with current recruits "They like him". Ash cutting the ties now shows the recruits he's not playing them. What would they say if EJ was dismissed the day after LOI day? What the media say? this board? I had six close friends lose their jobs last month. This is the world we live in.
 
Listen I wish the guy nothing but the best but, bottom line, did a SINGLE top-end recruit follow Barthel here (as was expected)? No. Goodbye, good luck, and try to keep your fingers out of the cookie jar this time around. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
no matter what the 'reason', it makes little sense to not retain EJ untill at least LOI signing..30 days from now!. guys from midwest are going to connect with HS coaches and uncommited recruits in 30 days?
 
Here's my question about everything ... if you hire a guy on a two year contract to be a coordinator (recruiting, offensive, defensive, whatever) and then you bring in a new staff after a year, can you legally reassign that person and make them just be an assistant since you're paying them anyway? I mean, I assume you can because we did it with Camp. If a guy refuses a 'demotion', would he then forfeit any pay owed to him?
 
Possible EJ may have been offered a non-director role and simply didn't want it.
Absent any facts, reading between the lines of twitter comments and various news articles, that's my guess.
 
no matter what the 'reason', it makes little sense to not retain EJ untill at least LOI signing..30 days from now!. guys from midwest are going to connect with HS coaches and uncommited recruits in 30 days?

We were not going to get someone because of the RC. If we add a WR, it is because he was sold by Kuhr, Mehringer and Ash.

I do agree that it would have been good to keep him through signing say, but I don't know how things transpired.
 
Here's my question about everything ... if you hire a guy on a two year contract to be a coordinator (recruiting, offensive, defensive, whatever) and then you bring in a new staff after a year, can you legally reassign that person and make them just be an assistant since you're paying them anyway? I mean, I assume you can because we did it with Camp. If a guy refuses a 'demotion', would he then forfeit any pay owed to him?
I would think it depends on how the contract was written. If I had to guess, I'd guess that if a person is offered a different role, but with the same pay, that not taking that role means you forfeit any further pay. It's the same as quitting a job.
 
Here's my question about everything ... if you hire a guy on a two year contract to be a coordinator (recruiting, offensive, defensive, whatever) and then you bring in a new staff after a year, can you legally reassign that person and make them just be an assistant since you're paying them anyway? I mean, I assume you can because we did it with Camp. If a guy refuses a 'demotion', would he then forfeit any pay owed to him?

- as they always say 'it depends' - in most cases in a large organization where there are policies & procedures (and legal & HR departments) if you have a contract - you have some sort of exit / separation terms. You can be offered a distinctly different position - but if it is not a 'comparable' position you may elect to invoke your separation terms.... basically saying that's a lower level job - I don't want it - so - "pay me" what my contract says.
 
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