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In big ten play

Giving up 77 ppg
On 45% shooting
And
Gettong our rebounded

We can go back and forth on the offensive issue …and there is plenty

but the lack of talent is and the lack of experience …is making for a disaster on the defensive end. Maybe more so than the offensive issues ….

And we are supposed to be a program about defnese and rebounding and toughness

Make no mistake about this.

Our culture built up in Pike’s early tenure is gone …gone as we turned over the rosters , didn’t recruit well, didn’t develop and then didn’t retain

The only chance we have to get out of this with pike as the coach is we need to retain …and recruit frosh and decelop

We aren’t winning the portal battles .

Need to recruit and retain and develop.

And defense and rebounding needs to be part of the equation in a big way…something we aren’t doing this year at all
 
Did anyone think we'd be able to play defense this year? We added Martini, Acuff and PJ and 5 freshmen. Maybe he mistakenly thought he was getting a defensive plus player in Derkack. I see better defenders from 40+year olds at the Y. Acuff would have trouble defending an orange cone. The fact the PJ sees the court before him is crazy. I think PJ plays better defense (I like his effort but it's not B1G level though).

This season was all about maximizing the play on offense. Since Pike is a defensive coach, I came into the season very skeptical.

I hope Pike learned his lesson from this season. At this point, the program needs to finish in 16th place this year. The staff needs to be pile driven into the ground with a total failure of a season. Going 3-2 and then winning 2-3 games in the tourney isn't in the programs best interest (not that I think we're capable of that).
 
Did anyone think we'd be able to play defense this year? We added Martini, Acuff and PJ and 5 freshmen. Maybe he mistakenly thought he was getting a defensive plus player in Derkack. I see better defenders from 40+year olds at the Y. Acuff would have trouble defending an orange cone. The fact the PJ sees the court before him is crazy. I think PJ plays better defense (I like his effort but it's not B1G level though).

This season was all about maximizing the play on offense. Since Pike is a defensive coach, I came into the season very skeptical.

I hope Pike learned his lesson from this season. At this point, the program needs to finish in 16th place this year. The staff needs to be pile driven into the ground with a total failure of a season. Going 3-2 and then winning 2-3 games in the tourney isn't in the programs best interest (not that I think we're capable of that).
As you saw tonight, Davis can’t defend either. Shelby would much prefer Acuff who at least is a scoring threat.
 
70
28
46
6
16
51
6
5
105

Our defensive kenpom rankings under pike per year …105 is though Tonight debacle
 
As you saw tonight, Davis can’t defend either. Shelby would much prefer Acuff who at least is a scoring threat.
I think everyone realizes Davis is only here and playing because of Ace. He gives very little. His “effort” is often talked about positively but he’s an undersized guard, not the great defender people make him out to be.
 
I think everyone realizes Davis is only here and playing because of Ace. He gives very little. His “effort” is often talked about positively but he’s an undersized guard, not the great defender people make him out to be.
No, people sing his praises. It’s why he was recruited but not why he gets much more PT than he deserves. He may be quick but is usually lost on D and can’t stop anyone.

Acuff can’t defend either but is a better shooter and passer.
 
Shack, are you impressed with any of the 3 freshman on defense? Are they building blocks on defense?

You are not wrong, but is it going to happen?
 
Shack, are you impressed with any of the 3 freshman on defense? Are they building blocks on defense?

You are not wrong, but is it going to happen?
Grant is the only one with a solid future. Dortch is at best a defense only player. He can be disruptive but his lack of offensive game won't get him many minutes. Sommerville is a tweener who can score some but not much else.
 
The coaching staff had seven months prior to the season starting to teach defensive fundamentals.Other teams had many changes in the team roster and yet they play far better man to man defense than Rutgers.Its too late in the season to expect meaningful changes.
 
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convenient....it is a player problem. For 8 years we didn't have a coach problem and then in Year 9 we do?

Fans need to wake up and realize the 2 stars are failing us on the defensive end and are a big part of the problem.

Well we may have a coach problem. If we do it mainly relates to his competence with the portal which would not have been an issue for those first years.

We also may have a coach issue as it relates to actually getting a team to put the ball in the basket; it’s pretty bad imo that our current team isn’t at least good offensively.
 
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We have a driving in the wrong lane problem. If he gets back in the lane and are on somewhat equal footing as the rest in terms of NIL money we will be fine.
 
That too, it’s funny but I do think Pike put together a roster here that he is uniquely unfit to coach. I bet Fran would do a great job with this roster lol.
answer is somewhere in between....makes me sick how poorly we use and set screens. is that a Pike problem or is it a player problem? No idea, i dont go to practices
 
answer is somewhere in between....makes me sick how poorly we use and set screens. is that a Pike problem or is it a player problem? No idea, i dont go to practices
It's just funny because given Pike's prior defensive success he obviously knows how to coach defense and it obviously does not get through to these players.

Given Pike's prior offensive "success" and frankly just what we see on the court he is a bit challenged on that side of the court and I do think there is raw material to work with on this roster.

Now who knows maybe under Fran they are like #25 on offense and #200 on defense.
 
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convenient....it is a player problem. For 8 years we didn't have a coach problem and then in Year 9 we do?

Fans need to wake up and realize the 2 stars are failing us on the defensive end and are a big part of the problem.
We had signs of a coach problem allows those years. Recruiting, lack of offense cohesion, mind numbing substitution patterns.
 
convenient....it is a player problem. For 8 years we didn't have a coach problem and then in Year 9 we do?

Fans need to wake up and realize the 2 stars are failing us on the defensive end and are a big part of the problem.

We haven't made the tournament 3 years in a row. It's been a coach problem for a couple years now.

Ace and Dylan weren't here last year.
How did that season go?
 
There are multiple problems that only get solved by securing better players and adding players via the portal is not a short or long term solution.

The defense and ratings have been masked or covered by 3 specific players in the Pike era.

A) Myles Johnson ( should have secured Defensive Player of the Year)
B) Caleb McConnell (should have won DPOY 2 consecutive years.
C) Cliff Omoyuri (big man who is ultimately able to discourage drivers)

It comes down to players and continuity in the system. And that cannot be done in one offseason and without plus athletes....

Here are the PLUS athletes that were not Defensive player of the year players BUT were plus defenders on the ball.

A) Mawot Mag
B) Montez Mathis
C) RHJ
D) Jacob Young
E) Awkasi Yeboah
F) Geo Baker
G) Paul Mulcahy
H) Derek Simpson

I dont think fans quite understand how many plus athletes RU sent on the floor at one time....You don't land in the Top 5 or 10 nationally by accident.....it takes recruiting of Top 100 to 150 type players who have the speed, quickness and toughness to not back down against other players.

Let's fast forward to how different this years roster is, in comparison to the type of players listed above and ask yourself, would you take any of our current players above the list here??

Noah Fernandes
Gavin Griffiths
Austin Williams (injured with knee)
Jeremiah Williams
Jordan Derkack (has potential but his role at Merrimack was different, they played 90+ % zone defense at Merrimack)
PJ Hayes
Tyson Acuff
Zach Martini

The coaching staff has not changed, the caliber or talent level has dropped off from ELITE to well below average. That's not a Pike or coaching problem, that is a change that fans demanded was changed....

Why?? Because fans wanted better FT shooting, better 3 point shooting, more fluid offense....it was "the gang that couldn't shoot straight ", each and every thread.

Fans have to ask themselves what they want to see...."Its the lack of an offensive system"....NO, it's the players in the system were able to defend and were not skilled offensive players.

This is the process that has to occur if RU has a chance to close the gaps on most of CBB. Just because RU loses games, doesn't mean the coaching is 100% to blame.....The players on the floor are simply not talented enough on EITHER end of the court, over a 4 months of high level games.

Are Dylan Grant, Lathan Sommerville, Bryce Dortch part of the problem or the long term solution?? I know the first complaint about Bryce Dortch is still how he is not a scorer......DUH, but he can play decent defense on the perimeter and hustles. Grant and Sommerville need more minutes and reps for sure, but the biggest issue is this.

Most of the roster lacks competitiveness....I'd take Lathan Sommervilles effort last night in a game where things weren't going well and Dylan Grant outrunning players for a follow-up dunk, over a casual player, who's content to shoot 3s.....

Whats next for 2025 are more competitive, harder working players in Lino Mark, Chris Nwuli and Powers and Ware. RU needs plus athletes like Nwuli, Grant, Dortch who can get stronger and remain quick....Mark is a guard who tries to defend and hustles.....we need to see how willing Kaden Powers is on defense, i know he can score or shoot.

The days of a Top 10 national defense are over folks....we will be better than 100 soon, but elite defense usually comes with a cost of poor shooting, poor FT shooting and lower scoring games like Houston and UCLA play......not sure that is a sustainable path, unless fans all agree to not complain about 3 point bricks and 63% FT shooting.
 
We haven't made the tournament 3 years in a row. It's been a coach problem for a couple years now.

Ace and Dylan weren't here last year.
How did that season go?
It was a coaching problem that we got snubbed with a NET in the 30s two years ago? That team had more of a resume than the MW teams the selection committee took in their place.

It was a coaching problem last year that an NCAA loophole allowed our two best guards to leave after the transfer portal was closed and we had to replace them with leftovers after the portal had been picked through already? Only fools expected a tournament run.

This year is the only year where there are legitimate gripes. Plenty to point at between the coaches and players.
 
At its core this is a coach problem.
At its core, money is the root of our competitive issues, which no one wants to acknowledge. It’s why we lack adequate frontline talent and it’s why we lack adequate depth. Put Marylands transfers on Rutgers and we’re making tournament plans.
 
Worlds dmallestIt was a coaching problem that we got snubbed with a NET in the 30s two years ago? That team had more of a resume than the MW teams the selection committee took in their place.

It was a coaching problem last year that an NCAA loophole allowed our two best guards to leave after the transfer portal was closed and we had to replace them with leftovers after the portal had been picked through already? Only fools expected a tournament run.

This year is the only year where there are legitimate gripes. Plenty to point at between the coaches and players.

Top 25 paid HC in the Big Ten.
What’s going to be the excuse next year if it’s 4 years in a row?
“4 freshman and 5 transfers - can’t expect any results”?
The reason for all the transfers is because of the coaching problem of getting players who need to be pushed out almost immediately.

Losing Spencer and Mulcahy (who HC Pike had already replaced with Fernandez) meant going from a NCAA team to next to last?
Pike must be the most unlucky person in the world.

Funny none of these excuses pop up in the threads talking about how bad other HCs are.

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Top 25 paid HC in the Big Ten.
What’s going to be the excuse next year if it’s 4 years in a row?
“4 freshman and 5 transfers - can’t expect any results”?
The reason for all the transfers is because of the coaching problem of getting players who need to be pushed out almost immediately.

Losing Spencer and Mulcahy (who HC Pike had already replaced with Fernandez) meant going from a NCAA team to next to last?
Pike must be the most unlucky person in the world.

Funny none of these excuses pop up in the threads talking about how bad other HCs are.

Spongebob Squarepants Worlds Smallest Violin GIF
LOL, you're always one that's crying about everything and are rarely right. If next year is not competitive Pike's seat will be hot.
 
There are multiple problems that only get solved by securing better players and adding players via the portal is not a short or long term solution.

The defense and ratings have been masked or covered by 3 specific players in the Pike era.

A) Myles Johnson ( should have secured Defensive Player of the Year)
B) Caleb McConnell (should have won DPOY 2 consecutive years.
C) Cliff Omoyuri (big man who is ultimately able to discourage drivers)

It comes down to players and continuity in the system. And that cannot be done in one offseason and without plus athletes....

Here are the PLUS athletes that were not Defensive player of the year players BUT were plus defenders on the ball.

A) Mawot Mag
B) Montez Mathis
C) RHJ
D) Jacob Young
E) Awkasi Yeboah
F) Geo Baker
G) Paul Mulcahy
H) Derek Simpson

I dont think fans quite understand how many plus athletes RU sent on the floor at one time....You don't land in the Top 5 or 10 nationally by accident.....it takes recruiting of Top 100 to 150 type players who have the speed, quickness and toughness to not back down against other players.

Let's fast forward to how different this years roster is, in comparison to the type of players listed above and ask yourself, would you take any of our current players above the list here??

Noah Fernandes
Gavin Griffiths
Austin Williams (injured with knee)
Jeremiah Williams
Jordan Derkack (has potential but his role at Merrimack was different, they played 90+ % zone defense at Merrimack)
PJ Hayes
Tyson Acuff
Zach Martini

The coaching staff has not changed, the caliber or talent level has dropped off from ELITE to well below average. That's not a Pike or coaching problem, that is a change that fans demanded was changed....

Why?? Because fans wanted better FT shooting, better 3 point shooting, more fluid offense....it was "the gang that couldn't shoot straight ", each and every thread.

Fans have to ask themselves what they want to see...."Its the lack of an offensive system"....NO, it's the players in the system were able to defend and were not skilled offensive players.

This is the process that has to occur if RU has a chance to close the gaps on most of CBB. Just because RU loses games, doesn't mean the coaching is 100% to blame.....The players on the floor are simply not talented enough on EITHER end of the court, over a 4 months of high level games.

Are Dylan Grant, Lathan Sommerville, Bryce Dortch part of the problem or the long term solution?? I know the first complaint about Bryce Dortch is still how he is not a scorer......DUH, but he can play decent defense on the perimeter and hustles. Grant and Sommerville need more minutes and reps for sure, but the biggest issue is this.

Most of the roster lacks competitiveness....I'd take Lathan Sommervilles effort last night in a game where things weren't going well and Dylan Grant outrunning players for a follow-up dunk, over a casual player, who's content to shoot 3s.....

Whats next for 2025 are more competitive, harder working players in Lino Mark, Chris Nwuli and Powers and Ware. RU needs plus athletes like Nwuli, Grant, Dortch who can get stronger and remain quick....Mark is a guard who tries to defend and hustles.....we need to see how willing Kaden Powers is on defense, i know he can score or shoot.

The days of a Top 10 national defense are over folks....we will be better than 100 soon, but elite defense usually comes with a cost of poor shooting, poor FT shooting and lower scoring games like Houston and UCLA play......not sure that is a sustainable path, unless fans all agree to not complain about 3 point bricks and 63% FT shooting.
I would fire Pike tomorrow if he changed his culture and went after a different type of player because of what fans were saying. I don't think fans are why we went this way. Can only assume he knew this years two best players would be weak on the defensive end and would also need scoring help because freshman are unpredictable and went this way. It's the exact opposite of how I would have gone, but whatever.

Grant is a good start for getting back to the culture. I think Dortch is also, whether off the bench or otherwise. I'm not 100% sure on Lathan, but still want him back to see his growth. I'm also an Ogbole fan, no idea if he'll want to keep going, he's older, isn't he?

No idea what the future kids bring, don't know what they have in them until see them play.
 
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LOL, you're always one that's crying about everything and are rarely right. If next year is not competitive Pike's seat will be hot.

Feel free to provide examples.

Just don't bring up when I said in March JWill shouldn't be given a starting spot by default next to Harper and he's a bad fit as an off ball guard?
I'd hate to rehash that argument.
 
We haven't made the tournament 3 years in a row. It's been a coach problem for a couple years now.

Ace and Dylan weren't here last year.
How did that season go?
2022-23 we were on our way Mag goes down
2023-24 hijacked by Cam and Paul leaving late
2024-25 hell

We went to the NCAAs (give me Covid please) 3 straight years after decades of nothing
 
In big ten play

Giving up 77 ppg
On 45% shooting
And
Gettong our rebounded

We can go back and forth on the offensive issue …and there is plenty

but the lack of talent is and the lack of experience …is making for a disaster on the defensive end. Maybe more so than the offensive issues ….

And we are supposed to be a program about defnese and rebounding and toughness

Make no mistake about this.

Our culture built up in Pike’s early tenure is gone …gone as we turned over the rosters , didn’t recruit well, didn’t develop and then didn’t retain

The only chance we have to get out of this with pike as the coach is we need to retain …and recruit frosh and decelop

We aren’t winning the portal battles .

Need to recruit and retain and develop.

And defense and rebounding needs to be part of the equation in a big way…something we aren’t doing this year at all
I am not excusing anyone including the coaches but they did make one point yesterday saying we are the youngest team in the Big 10 and no matter what experience makes a huge difference; maybe you correct Sommerville constantly overplaying the pick and roll and maybe he puts on another 15-20 pounds in the off season and doesn't get pushed around these are things that happen with age and experience who knows maybe I am grasping at straws
 
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There are multiple problems that only get solved by securing better players and adding players via the portal is not a short or long term solution.

The defense and ratings have been masked or covered by 3 specific players in the Pike era.

A) Myles Johnson ( should have secured Defensive Player of the Year)
B) Caleb McConnell (should have won DPOY 2 consecutive years.
C) Cliff Omoyuri (big man who is ultimately able to discourage drivers)

It comes down to players and continuity in the system. And that cannot be done in one offseason and without plus athletes....

Here are the PLUS athletes that were not Defensive player of the year players BUT were plus defenders on the ball.

A) Mawot Mag
B) Montez Mathis
C) RHJ
D) Jacob Young
E) Awkasi Yeboah
F) Geo Baker
G) Paul Mulcahy
H) Derek Simpson

I dont think fans quite understand how many plus athletes RU sent on the floor at one time....You don't land in the Top 5 or 10 nationally by accident.....it takes recruiting of Top 100 to 150 type players who have the speed, quickness and toughness to not back down against other players.

Let's fast forward to how different this years roster is, in comparison to the type of players listed above and ask yourself, would you take any of our current players above the list here??

Noah Fernandes
Gavin Griffiths
Austin Williams (injured with knee)
Jeremiah Williams
Jordan Derkack (has potential but his role at Merrimack was different, they played 90+ % zone defense at Merrimack)
PJ Hayes
Tyson Acuff
Zach Martini

The coaching staff has not changed, the caliber or talent level has dropped off from ELITE to well below average. That's not a Pike or coaching problem, that is a change that fans demanded was changed....

Why?? Because fans wanted better FT shooting, better 3 point shooting, more fluid offense....it was "the gang that couldn't shoot straight ", each and every thread.

Fans have to ask themselves what they want to see...."Its the lack of an offensive system"....NO, it's the players in the system were able to defend and were not skilled offensive players.

This is the process that has to occur if RU has a chance to close the gaps on most of CBB. Just because RU loses games, doesn't mean the coaching is 100% to blame.....The players on the floor are simply not talented enough on EITHER end of the court, over a 4 months of high level games.

Are Dylan Grant, Lathan Sommerville, Bryce Dortch part of the problem or the long term solution?? I know the first complaint about Bryce Dortch is still how he is not a scorer......DUH, but he can play decent defense on the perimeter and hustles. Grant and Sommerville need more minutes and reps for sure, but the biggest issue is this.

Most of the roster lacks competitiveness....I'd take Lathan Sommervilles effort last night in a game where things weren't going well and Dylan Grant outrunning players for a follow-up dunk, over a casual player, who's content to shoot 3s.....

Whats next for 2025 are more competitive, harder working players in Lino Mark, Chris Nwuli and Powers and Ware. RU needs plus athletes like Nwuli, Grant, Dortch who can get stronger and remain quick....Mark is a guard who tries to defend and hustles.....we need to see how willing Kaden Powers is on defense, i know he can score or shoot.

The days of a Top 10 national defense are over folks....we will be better than 100 soon, but elite defense usually comes with a cost of poor shooting, poor FT shooting and lower scoring games like Houston and UCLA play......not sure that is a sustainable path, unless fans all agree to not complain about 3 point bricks and 63% FT shooting.
There is a lot to like here. The open ended question I ask myself....HOW IMPORTANT WAS CLIFF AND MYLES TO OUR DEFENSIVE SUCCESS?

I think a ton.

BTW C and G were not plus on ball defenders. C sometimes gave effort defensively, but many nights he didn't. G understood where to be and relied a lot on Cliff and Myles.

I need a pep talk on the new recruits coming in that gives me hope the nonsense we are seeing ends.

It all starts with NO PLAYERS getting free minutes
 
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The coaching staff has not changed, the caliber or talent level has dropped off from ELITE to well below average. That's not a Pike or coaching problem, that is a change that fans demanded was changed....

Why?? Because fans wanted better FT shooting, better 3 point shooting, more fluid offense....it was "the gang that couldn't shoot straight ", each and every thread.

Fans have to ask themselves what they want to see...."Its the lack of an offensive system"....NO, it's the players in the system were able to defend and were not skilled offensive players.
Agree with pretty much all of this post except a coupke exceptions

Paul being a good on ball defender. He was an excellent help defender who got caught over helping too often leaving shooters but he got blown by frequently on ball

Anyway, this part of the post is pure insanity. You think Pike went from recruiting ELITE talent to well below average bc that's what the fans demanded?!?! That is one hellova thought 🤣
 
Not at all
You must not watch the numerous basic level coaching problems that have been Pikes Achilles heel his entire tenure.
Offense
Inbounds
Substitutions
Free throws
Outside shooting
Terrible loses to low to mid major schools

All the above have been a problem EVERY single year Pike has been here.

Prior to Ace and Dylan the excuse was talent, and watch what happens when Pike gets them.

Now, he has them and two 4 stars and it’s too much talent and if Pike would go back to recruiting low level guys and develop Pike will be good.

The Pike apologists are so fun to listen too.
 
Feel free to provide examples.

Just don't bring up when I said in March JWill shouldn't be given a starting spot by default next to Harper and he's a bad fit as an off ball guard?
I'd hate to rehash that argument.
While I agree he didn’t earn a spot based off last year who were you going to start once Acuff was injured - JMike or Derkack? Neither would have been well received by many of our fans.
 
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