None? I understand not as a stand alone but at the end of the day a team does need to score points to win. Efficiency can be misleading too. Sometimes kids force shots when others around them have proven themselves less capable. To this point - PJ Hays has only be the kick out answer against 2-3 really bad teams. Otherwise his shooting has been dreadful. I’m not sure there’s anyone on the team I want shooting instead of ace even if some of the shots are forced.
Fans Should Enjoy - End Result or Not, Special
- Thread starter lion1983
- Start date
maybe that should be revised...the scoring has to be in context with the players "usage". Not necessarily the actual usage that the computers say. Obviously every possession isn't the same and it isn't apples to apples comparing players with different usage rates. High usage guys do get dinged more (as a % of uses) for shots taken with little time on the shot clock. That needs to be factored in and that isn't quantifiable (yet).
Watch all of Bailey's touches in the 1st half against Columbia. When inside the 3 point line...he only passed the ball twice...when his drive was shut down. He shot the ball every other time and was on fire. He can get a shot almost whenever he wants and Pike is fine with him shooting from anywhere (I'd love to see his shot chart). We aren't going to see him pass the ball when he is able to get a shot off.
What's impressive is that he is doing it all on his own. We do almost nothing to get him looks. He could be more efficient with some better coaching. Dylan doesn't need any help.
What's impressive is that he is doing it all on his own. We do almost nothing to get him looks. He could be more efficient with some better coaching. Dylan doesn't need any help.
That being said.... for consideration... Ace is currently top 10 in PPG and Rebounds per game in the BIG.
Not sure I agree with your assessment that he would not be gobbled up in a trade with another program's 1-2 (3??) best players. You have to factor in that on many other rosters he would likely be asked to just play the wing which IMO would make him even more effective vs having to play a significant amount of time as PF. IMO this would lighten his load on D rather than be anchored in the paint against bigger/bulkier players - right now he still has a slight build and IMO his wingspan makes him more imposing as a wing & on the perimeter.
Also as a freshman he should continue to improve/progress in season - generally moreso than a well established upper classman. That should also factor in to the value equation for this year .......on the downside so should the possibility of hitting a freshman "wall".
Maybe - I don’t know. I think he has a ton of potential. I’m only suggesting that as a team, we’d probably have more wins right now with an experienced RHJ type on our roster which a lot of the better teams have. I think Ace will ultimately be better than Ron but as a senior, Ron was probably more valuable on both ends because of his experience. Thats all.
My only point is that way too many think top three draft prospect ='s top three college player. Ace has been better than what my expecations for him were.
There's also probably not too many #2's on teams with better numbers than Ace.
This I wouldn't disagree with, in fact, I'm pretty sure I said before the season that we'd be better off with an established senior such as Ron over one of the two kids.
not over Dylan....Dylan has it all. His compete level on a random possession in the middle of the game is much higher.
Yes - Dylan is an absolute stud. It’s not that Ace hasn’t been good, but it’s inaccurate when people group them together and talk about us dropping the ball on the season with two lottery picks. One is truly an elite college level player now. The other one right now is an above average P5 starter as a frosh which in its own right is impressive, but he’s not a collegiate difference maker right now in the way Dylan is. If you swapped Ace and Cliff on our current roster, we’d probably have more wins with Cliff. Thats not meant as a knock on Ace it’s just that we’d be a lot better on D with Cliff and probably not that much worse on offense overall.
Who would be in charge of getting Cliff to want to play?
I agree with you 1000% with sophomore and junior Cliff. Agree with you 100% with senior year Cliff. Not sure about super senior Cliff. When i have seen him play he looks disinterested
I agree with you 1000% with sophomore and junior Cliff. Agree with you 100% with senior year Cliff. Not sure about super senior Cliff. When i have seen him play he looks disinterested
I do know one team that would not trade 1 of their 2 best players for Ace........
St. Joseph's (PA)
St. Joseph's (PA)
I’d rather have no star power and win then watch two superstars and lose. I’m a Rutgers fan, not a Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey fan. If all I cared about is watching insanely talented basketball players, I’d watch the NBA, which I don’t. But to each their own I guess.
This x1000.
The “we have two of the best players in college basketball and we’re ****ing it up” crowd are off base.. if we actually had that we would not have five losses.
Ace may have one of the three best NBA careers out of the players in college today but that’s not the same as being one of the best players right now.
Unfortunately, the rest of the roster being what it is, we treat him like he already is and so his efficiency becomes terrible because he is asked to do too much for his current game.
Exactly. Has the OP confirmed he’s the former “Jellyman” and I missed it? Because their writing styles are identical.
Maybe he doesn’t want to play because it a not that easy to get motivated as a utility player when your used to being a star on another P5 team. Saw the same thing with MJ. Regardless, I’m going out on a limb her and assuming Cliff would be motivated as he was when he played for Rutgers previously. We would not have 5 losses if he was playing with Dylan.
Ya know, I'm not sure here, would really depend on who the Ace replacement is. JWill is a closer replica of Dylan's game than anything we have to Ace's. I could see arguments either way.
Let’s be honest, Dylan and ace are too good for fans like you. They should have went elsewhere.
Ignore the village idiot.
Anyway, I am sure OP really enjoyed Ace dropping 39 points as we lost by 12 to bottom dweller Indiana. Boy was that fun!
If the team was gonna be awful outside of Dylan and Ace, would’ve been better if they went somewhere else so we can just suck in peace.
If we have two NBA lottery picks and don’t make the tourney, this season is an embarrassment and a complete black eye for the basketball program.
If we have two NBA lottery picks and don’t make the tourney, this season is an embarrassment and a complete black eye for the basketball program.
39 points, 0 assists and celebrating scores late when the outcome had already been determined. Not very special.
To be fair, I don't know if he was robbed of assists due to a few teammates going 0-fer.
To be fair, I don't know if he was robbed of assists due to a few teammates going 0-fer.
Or Ace has a family member on the staff and Pike took Dylan’s less talented brother and plays 30 min from his family. That might have more to do than the program pike built that has declined for 5 straight years.
On the verge of missing the tournament again and might not make the big ten tournament forget about the NCAAs.
Not to mention we don’t have a D1 player on next years roster.
Pikes done
His godfather is our lead assistant coach that’s why he is here . Nothing to do with Pike or what he “built”
Which one. Wonder if it is the guy he was talking to along with Knight with 1 minute left while the rest of the team was in huddle listening to pike
