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NewJerseyHawk said:
They quoted a rumor from Jeff Goodman that top portal targets are asking for 2
5 to 3M.....how does anyone actually believe that and what schools are paying 2.5M for 1 player?? Again, the rumors get quoted and it's impossible to get out of fans heads, that it's not reality.

Otherwise, don't quote a random rumor and how do you quote a random George Washington fan based on what they said about Darren Buchanan on Trillys site, as some sort of scoutinf report??

And there's some sort of belief that if a player takes a 2 point shot, that it's a bad shot and jacking up all 3s is good basketball.....there's no logic on evaluation of basketball, as if the Sweet 16 programs in this years tournament don't take mid range 2 point shots......St Johns built their entire program this past year on mid range players.....whether that was a good decision or not, is debatable, but the levels of apathy on Pike and revelation that Schiano can do no wrong and has millions of dollars and only managed 2 Power 4 transfers so far, is at best illogical.

I get it, fans are disappointed, but I think we can all agree that Acuff, Derkack, Martini and Hayes probably didn't cost more than 1M in total between the 4 portal kids.

Could he have put more money into Malique Ewin and bypassed on Martini, Derkack and Hayes?? Probably, but if you're only armed with 1M bucks for the portal, that's certainly not all on Pike, we have to acknowledge as fans, our donor levels are absurdly low, vs the rest of the Power 4 programs. And the bulk of the funds needed to go to Dylan and Ace, this other notion that they only got money from other sources, is at flimsy.....(it's just not true).
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St Johns built their team on mid-range shots this season because Pitino realized his team couldn't shoot 3s well enough. That's in contrast to many coaches who have have bad shooters jacking up 3s because of "analytics", failing to realize that the math only works if you make the shots.
 
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PSAL_Hoops said:
No - I don’t think you can do that. The allocation (salary cap) is for active players in the coming year. Isn’t it?
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PSAL:

I tried to explain to NJHawk how his math is TOTALLY wrong - either earlier in this thread, or in another thread, where he made the same argument: Save NIL $$ for the 2026 recruits.

THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS, but he keeps pushing it. The Revenue sharing AND the NIL available NOW, or in the next few weeks, is a USE IT OR LOSE IT pot. You use it for THIS coming season, and start over again with whatever pot you have for the next season, after this coming season ends.

I guess you could theoretically allocate THIS year's $$ to kids who are still in High School and would still be in High School for the coming season, the 2026 recruits, who are rising Seniors in HIGH SCHOOL ... but I would guess paying high school students for their Senior year in High School is not allowed: It would make them ineligible to PLAY in High School, would be my guess (though could they sue and win?). But even if allowed, and you paid them NOW, to get their commitment to come to RU in TWO years - that commitment in unenforceable - and why would they not then shop for other bidders after they have taken RU's money for not playing for RU?

Stupid, stupid posting by a guy in finance who ought to know better. And I rarely name-call ... but if the shoe fits ...
 
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If he spread out $1 M for all four players,
I could see where he might think one of the them could over-perform, which clearly did not happen. Hopefully, he learned a lesson, however. He got what we paid for and went 0 for 4.
 
RUChow said:
1 - JMike, Francis
2 - McDowell, ?
3,4 - Cornell kid, Buchanan, Grant
5 - Bodo, Ogbole

Better than this year IMO.
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Except RU is unlikely to get both Okereke (Cornell kid) and Buchanan - its one or the other, I would think.

FYI, remind me who McDowell is?

Using your format - which excludes the FR, though I will include them - I would like:

1 - J Davis, ... FR (Lino Mark)
2 - Kennard Davis, Francis (a 2G, not PG), FR Powers
3/4 (2 Starters) - Buchanan, Grant ... FR Nwuli, Dortch,
5 - Bodo Bodo, Ogbole, Ware
 
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lion1983 said:
Except RU is unlikely to get both Okereke (Cornell kid) and Buchanan - its one or the other, I would think.

FYI, remind me who McDowell is?

Using your format - which excludes the FR, though I will include them - I would like:

1 - J Davis, ... FR (Lino Mark)
2 - Kennard Davis, Francis (a 2G, not PG), FR Powers
3/4 (2 Starters) - Buchanan, Grant ... FR Nwuli, Dortch,
5 - Bodo Bodo, Ogbole, Ware
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Kid from Oklahoma JC. Started at Georgia. 6'6" 2-guard.
 
Pike, throw this guy a mil. Get out of your comfort zone and guarantee him a starting spot. No need to prove it to you or anyone else. Anyone who has watched him play knows he's a starter.

Simply, he's a perfect fit for a Pike-coached team. Great defender, hard-hat player!

What Mo Dioubate said about hitting transfer portal after Elite Eight run with Alabama basketball

After Alabama basketball's loss to Duke in Newark, Mouhamed Dioubate told the Tuscaloosa News that he was in search of a starting spot.
www.tidesports.com
 
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Agree on Dioubate, ultra talented, 30 min a game guy he’d give you a double double. BUT he will get real money, likely from Kansas or Kentucky
 
MCKnight2004 said:
Agree on Dioubate, ultra talented, 30 min a game guy he’d give you a double double. BUT he will get real money, likely from Kansas or Kentucky
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...but will they guarantee him a starting spot? 😉

He's from Queens. Maybe he'd like to return closer to home. (Mike Repole, please stay away...lol)
 
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Pike's approach is the textbook definition of insanity.

Honestly, most coaches at P4 would not have survived this past season's utter embarassment.

He's paid among top 25 yet his performance the past 3 seasons is anything but.
 
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PSAL_Hoops said:
There’s a third possibility. Maybe Pike’s strategy is to only window dress in the elite market right now to get a better feel for what it’s going to take and how high to bid. He might think that it’s better to first secure his remaining guys and a couple role players so that when he goes after the pair of high rollers, he knows what strengths he must go after that he wont be able to compensate for elsewhere.

The good news for us about what we’re targeting now, we won’t have any stars who have egos that need to be managed - nobody is going to be offended by the 7 figure offers we might throw out to buy a few established starters. If we have 10 role player types locked in with $3M to work with, we can then play ball and go after 2 guys that fit the best and then a possible 3rd with whatever is leftover. How do we know that isn’t the plan?
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Secure what remaining guys? Any player on last years team should not be offered a dime. If they think they can do better and get more playing time then leave. The 4 left are not worth paying. I understand offering Grant money on potential but the others can leave.

If we are operating like a true business then you don’t pay power 4 money to non power 4 players. You offer the program, minutes, an opportunity for cash through NIL tournaments .
 
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darkcheck said:
He was tampered with. Has a do not contact. Knows where he’s going. Everyone tampers, except Rutgers.
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The do not contact will be a common thing going forward because they agents want everything going through them so they control the process. No different than what happens in the pros.
 
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darkcheck said:
Not enough
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Well, guess i should just wait until the season starts and just root for the under dog. Hopefully Rutgers hires an athletic director that knows about finance and can get some big donors. All teams in the NYC area should be the ones that most benefit from NIL. Hire the right people at the top. Until then basketball team will be scrappy under dogs. Guy like this, that cooked you multiple times goes into the portal in your back yard, you find a way to put the money together.
 
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lion1983 said:
PSAL:

I tried to explain to NJHawk how his math is TOTALLY wrong - either earlier in this thread, or in another thread, where he made the same argument: Save NIL $$ for the 2026 recruits.

THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS, but he keeps pushing it. The Revenue sharing AND the NIL available NOW, or in the next few weeks, is a USE IT OR LOSE IT pot. You use it for THIS coming season, and start over again with whatever pot you have for the next season, after this coming season ends.

I guess you could theoretically allocate THIS year's $$ to kids who are still in High School and would still be in High School for the coming season, the 2026 recruits, who are rising Seniors in HIGH SCHOOL ... but I would guess paying high school students for their Senior year in High School is not allowed: It would make them ineligible to PLAY in High School, would be my guess (though could they sue and win?). But even if allowed, and you paid them NOW, to get their commitment to come to RU in TWO years - that commitment in unenforceable - and why would they not then shop for other bidders after they have taken RU's money for not playing for RU?

Stupid, stupid posting by a guy in finance who ought to know better. And I rarely name-call ... but if the shoe fits ...
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I don't know how this use it or lose it thing works, but show me where it specifically says you have to spend the revenue sharing money on the portal OR the money is lost.....it has to be the dumbest thing ever stated....

And I follow recruiting way better than you and 99% of the people who are consistently WRONG. You cannot be foolish enough to think that 2026 HS recruits don't have a price tag or potential one associated with them.....AND they are not committing to a school without a number.

So....since you claim to be the expert and kids sign in November, are you saying that they don't have NIL amounts due to them by next summer when they arrive.?? Are you paying them based on a promise???

You HAVE to have money set aside for them to commit. And you cannot wait for NEXT years revenue sharing money to pay kids arriving in June 2026.....you possibly cannot be that naive......do you think Ace and Dylan didn't know what those amounts were before committing or signing??? LMAO

Anyway, there is enough bad information out there, that it's impossible to keep up with it......but, carry on my friend......
 
Good friend of mine has a son that played basketball at Kansas and then UNLV. The son played overseas for like 6 years. We were just talking about the amounts being paid out. He said his son was disappointed to think about what he could have earned. Missed it by a few years.
 
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NewJerseyHawk said:
I don't know how this use it or lose it thing works, but show me where it specifically says you have to spend the revenue sharing money on the portal OR the money is lost.....it has to be the dumbest thing ever stated....

And I follow recruiting way better than you and 99% of the people who are consistently WRONG. You cannot be foolish enough to think that 2026 HS recruits don't have a price tag or potential one associated with them.....AND they are not committing to a school without a number.

So....since you claim to be the expert and kids sign in November, are you saying that they don't have NIL amounts due to them by next summer when they arrive.?? Are you paying them based on a promise???

You HAVE to have money set aside for them to commit. And you cannot wait for NEXT years revenue sharing money to pay kids arriving in June 2026.....you possibly cannot be that naive......do you think Ace and Dylan didn't know what those amounts were before committing or signing??? LMAO

Anyway, there is enough bad information out there, that it's impossible to keep up with it......but, carry on my friend......
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I mean - the idea is that it’s supposed to be an annual salary cap of x per school which can be sliced across all sports however a school wants. Correct? By definition, annual means per year and “cap” means limit. So at least based on the technical definition of what’s intended, stockpiling the allowed allocation to apply in future years could only be a strategy that’s deployable by a school that otherwise isn’t going to max out that cap (maybe some of the low majors might not use all of it each year but rutgers certainly will).

NIL collective funds are different, but there’s going to be a clearinghouse closely involved in monitoring those to assess the legitimacy of them so again, a rollover strategy would figure to be a terrible idea at the moment at least until the parameters of what is allowed is better defined.

I can’t imagine that any major conference school won’t look to spend whatever they have and are allowed to use in year one for these reasons.
 
PSAL_Hoops said:
I mean - the idea is that it’s supposed to be an annual salary cap of x per school which can be sliced across all sports however a school wants. Correct? By definition, annual means per year and “cap” means limit. So at least based on the technical definition of what’s intended, stockpiling the allowed allocation to apply in future years could only be a strategy that’s deployable by a school that otherwise isn’t going to max out that cap (maybe some of the low majors might not use all of it each year but rutgers certainly will).

NIL collective funds are different, but there’s going to be a clearinghouse closely involved in monitoring those to assess the legitimacy of them so again, a rollover strategy would figure to be a terrible idea at the moment at least until the parameters of what is allowed is better defined.

I can’t imagine that any major conference school won’t look to spend whatever they have and are allowed to use in year one for these reasons.
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We are agreeing on the same thing....what that doesn't mean is every dollar gets spent in the portal.....

If someone can tell me how some fans are dumb enough to think there's a way to spend ALL of the revenue sharing money now in the portal AND have next years revenue sharing money for all portal kids will work without having any money for HS recruiting??

It's not "rolling over" money.....HS recruits don't get paid today, like lion was dumb enough to say....no one ever said that, so his comment is irrelevant.

The point is NO recruit is committing without an agreed upon number....and schools have to have that amount of money readily available, so when they arrive, they get their money paid over their 1st 12 months. You can't spend all the revenue sharing money on the portal, have no money for HS recruits, which cost LESS and are just as productive as portal players.

We would have been better off grabbing another high caliber 4* freshman to help Dylan and Ace (and Lathan and Grant) instead of wasting money on portal players like Martini, Derkack, Hayes etc....that potential other player would not have cost 1M, which was wasted on the portal last year, it could have cost half of that amount.
 
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NewJerseyHawk said:
We are agreeing on the same thing....what that doesn't mean is every dollar gets spent in the portal.....

If someone can tell me how some fans are dumb enough to think there's a way to spend ALL of the revenue sharing money now in the portal AND have next years revenue sharing money for all portal kids will work without having any money for HS recruiting??

It's not "rolling over" money.....HS recruits don't get paid today, like lion was dumb enough to say....no one ever said that, so his comment is irrelevant.

The point is NO recruit is committing without an agreed upon number....and schools have to have that amount of money readily available, so when they arrive, they get their money paid over their 1st 12 months. You can't spend all the revenue sharing money on the portal, have no money for HS recruits, which cost LESS and are just as productive as portal players.

We would have been better off grabbing another high caliber 4* freshman to help Dylan and Ace (and Lathan and Grant) instead of wasting money on portal players like Martini, Derkack, Hayes etc....that potential other player would not have cost 1M, which was wasted on the portal last year, it could have cost half of that amount.
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I’m not looking back or at future year uses for the funds. I’m talking about this year. Specifically - I’m confused by the tone of the TKR podcast discussing Francis and Buchanan as our only likely visitors (near term). The podcast makes it seem like we don’t have the money to compete for anyone better and I don’t get it.

The math doesn’t add up as we know the 4 frosh we’re bringing in as well as the 4 players who could be retained. The NIL market may be a black hole, but there is no way we’re paying $2+ for these 8 players - there’s just no way. So we have at least $3M to spend on the portal for 2025-26. Probably more. That means we can afford better than Francis. At least it should.
 
I wish we would target the portal kids from UC San Diego. I’m all in on kids who were a part of their 30-5 season given the team’s stellar defensive metrics.

I’d prefer to avoid anyone who played for a worse defense than Rutgers because I’m convinced we only improve if the D gets better.
 
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NewJerseyHawk said:
We would have been better off grabbing another high caliber 4* freshman to help Dylan and Ace (and Lathan and Grant) instead of wasting money on portal players like Martini, Derkack, Hayes etc....that potential other player would not have cost 1M, which was wasted on the portal last year, it could have cost half of that amount.
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I agree with much of what you are saying, except this. You cant compete without having some experience. An extra 18 year old would have done nothing for this year, which was the only year anyone cared about preseason.
 
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NewJerseyHawk said:
Is he better than what we brought off the bench last year?? And the year before that??

Do you have a better option at this price range, for a 4th or 5th guard??

Keep in mind, I have to assume another (better) guard or combo guard is brought on board and that Lino Mark and Kaden Powers are the 2nd and 3rd guards, competing with J Mike Davis.....Francis as a 4th or 5th guard is a good pick up.....no one is expecting him to start.
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Don't need a mid-range shooter that takes 18+ shots a game

Rutgers must move away from the mid-range game

They STINK badly in the mid-range year after year after year
 
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Lawboy said:
I think Tavares is a much better fit thanFrancis as we don’t need another small guard . Tavares played with Charleston in a better league and is a couple of inches taller. Freshman year he handed out 3~4 assists per game and last year it was 2-3 as he became more of a scorer.
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Would prefer a taller more physical combo if we can find one. FYI Tavares shot over Fourty percent from three and over Fourty for all shots combined. His Croatian teammate Brozovic is a stud. Kid scored 18 ppg wit a lot of rebounds.
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Lawboy said:
I think Tavares is a much better fit thanFrancis as we don’t need another small guard . Tavares played with Charleston in a better league and is a couple of inches taller. Freshman year he handed out 3~4 assists per game and last year it was 2-3 as he became more of a scorer.
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Would prefer a taller more physical combo if we can find one. FYI Tavares shot over Fourty percent from three and over Fourty for all shots combined.
His Croatian teammate Brozovic is a stud.
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Um, yes, of course. Doesn’t this go without saying?

How could anyone compare Francis to a +12 ppg shooting guard who shot over 40% from 3 on a 24-9 CAA team that finished in the top 150 in D efficiency (NJIT was 309).
 
I noticed Mongolian Mike Sharmgavats in is the portal again after fairly disappointing stints at Dayton, USF, and Utah. We were hot on his trail at one point. Perhaps we can bring him in with Gus (the Bus(t) Yalden and Griffiths. Then maybe get and 7th year for Taj Strickland and Kwe Parker.
 
MCKnight2004 said:
It’d be on script for RU to bring J Will back as their combo guard lol

Ready for RU to have the lowest 3pt FG % in big ten
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Doubt we’re bringing him back but I’d be torn. On one hand I feel like it’s time for him to move on. On the other hand, I liked what he looked like applying pressure the last two games and I think that is where we will be most likely to find success next year. I’m hoping we add defenders like him…
 
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