Fill me in on Schiano's defense

[Akron Buck]

This should be the best place to ask.

What kind of defense does he run? Does he get after the QB? Does he play zone or man?

We get really,really good redruits so he will have a massive amount of talent do you think he can put them in the right spot to succeed?

Fickell does well coaching LB's and Johnson does great coaching Dline, but before Ash our DB's were poorly coached and frankly Ash was the one calling plays on game day so I expect Schiano to take that over.

 

[Section124]

This should be the best place to ask.

What kind of defense does he run? Does he get after the QB? Does he play zone or man?

We get really,really good redruits so he will have a massive amount of talent do you think he can put them in the right spot to succeed?

Fickell does well coaching LB's and Johnson does great coaching Dline, but before Ash our DB's were poorly coached and frankly Ash was the one calling plays on game day so I expect Schiano to take that over.

Good attacking defense. Good blitzes. However you won't get many INT's since he teaches the DB's to not look for the ball.

 

[herdof3]

can't wait to see the responses to this. I really didn't know that OSU gets really really good recruits ;-)

anyway. Pressure and attacking style. typically undersized but fast DL. I am sure others will have better insight.

 

[rurichdog]

Pray you never play against Brian Kelly or Rich Rodriguez

 

[Akron Buck]

Good attacking defense. Good blitzes. However you won't get many INT's since he teaches the DB's to not look for the ball.

So are you being sarcastic or do you mean he realy does actively teach them not to look for the ball?

 

[chase07470]

Your biggest fear is the kids turn on him for being such an unnecessary di*k and team chemistry goes right out the window. I'd out the odds on that happening at about 80%, considering Ash was a cool guy to play for and now they have to deal with a monster.

 

[Roy_Faulker]

It is a high-pressure defense with a lot of stunting and blitzing. It will be a good fit for Ohio State because he relies heavily on his corners playing one on one against their receiver.

When it works it's pretty damn fun to watch.

 

[saran]

Think Miami from the 90s (where Schiano as a DC for Davis). Lots of stunts, safety blitzes etc - pressure/disruption/turnovers = name of game etc. RU used to knock QBs out with some regularity. Loves gang tackling. Master of blocking kicks. Schiano aggressiveness can backfire vs spread.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

AGGRESSIVE EXOTIC Ds. Will confuse the hell out of opposing QBs and OL. With OSU's speed and talent (especially at CB where you have the talent and exp to play man) he should be able to give OSU a championship level defense in 2016. He's all about swarming to the ball, big hits etc. Very exciting defense to watch.

When he was at Rutgers most of us looked forward to the defense taking the field rather than the offense (it was a very exciting and fast moving defense). Should also recruit the heck out of NJ and Florida but not sure if he'll be able to recruit negatively against Rutgers since he built us up. We'll see. Surprised he took a DC job in college rather than one in the NFL tbh.

Kind of disappointed that he would take the OSU DC job over an RU HCing job tbh. He was the first one we offered the RU job to this year but he turned it down. Pretty bummed about this OSU hire... :(

 

[KnightsofChrome]

Miami's style from mid 80's, blitz, blitz, then blitz again(outdated). Could never really stop or control the spread. Horrible DBack coach, but he thought he was/is good. Should be interesting to see if he learned anything over the past 4 years, or changes his style. My guess No. He is what he is. Good recruiter, not great. The players, asst's. really didn't like him, big time control freak. My way or the highway, type of guy. Ohio State doesn't need the program built, or rebuilt, especially since Meyer is there. Will be interesting how those two get along....Good luck.

 

[greenknight]

With the athletes you have he will do well for you

 

[devoted2ru]

So are you being sarcastic or do you mean he realy does actively teach them not to look for the ball?

I think he was probably being a bit of both. -But the other statements in the thread were accurate. He puts out an attacking, swarming, and tough defense.

His one glaring weakness is defending spread offenses. -For example, WVU ran one, and GS went 0-11 against them. He just never seemed to be able to figure out how to defend that kind of thing effectively.

Now, to be clear, that may have changed. I'm only talking about his time defending it here at RU.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

So are you being sarcastic or do you mean he realy does actively teach them not to look for the ball?

He's serious, but like a lot of fans they don't understand technique when it comes to football. Everyone thinks they can coach. Schiano is one of the better DB/DC coaches around. Look at New England and see what Belichick has to say about Schiano coached DB.

 

[saran]

Horrible DBack coach, but he thought he was/is good. .

Bill Belichick also thought he was good. How many RU 2 * DBs are in NFL now. Geez man lol

 

[KnightsofChrome]

Bill Belichick also thought he was good. How many RU 2 * DBs are in NFL now. Geez man lol

Never said he didn't have very good DBacks, just said that he didn't know how to coach them. They became what they currently are, in spite of Schiano! Not, because of him. And, Belichick....well his son played(sat) the bench here, didn't he?

 

[mdk01]

Some good stuff already posted. Let me add:

He will always be willing to sacrifice size for speed. If he's got a 215 lb. OLB who runs a 4.55 he's in heaven.

 

[lighty]

check out Miami around 1999-2000 and their championship team. Schiano MADE that defense so dangerous.

With the type of recruits Ohio State gets, you should have a pretty impressive and nasty defense from the get go.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

All this talk about not being able to defend the spread is just BULLSHIT, by posters that know nothing about Football. Once he started to get talent in here on D we were able to defend the spread well. The reason we lost games against WVU and Cincinnati (these are the games RU posters point to when they say GS can't defend the spread even though we beat plenty of other spread teams with consistency) was that our offense often SUCKED due to poor QB and OL play.

His defenses were great. Combined with OSU's defensive talent, speed and size, he should do great there. Against teams like WVU we were often at a talent and speed disadvantage. That won't be the case at OSU. His Tampa Bay defenses were great too. His problem has always been getting consistent production out of the offense.

Defense was always good when we had the talent and we won plenty of games facing superior talent as well. A lot of posters here have a very warped sense of GS's accomplishments (or according to them lack of accomplishments). They discredit him at every turn. It's really sad.

 

[Section124]

He's serious, but like a lot of fans they don't understand technique when it comes to football. Everyone thinks they can coach. Schiano is one of the better DB/DC coaches around. Look at New England and see what Belichick has to say about Schiano coached DB.

cubuffsdoug is correct. I was serious. He knows way more football than I ever will, but I do understand the technique. Schiano grooms great talent but our guys in New England get way more INT's now than they did at Rutgers. It's a sound technique, just frustrating as a fan.

 

[Extra Point]

Schiano called it controlled kaos. He ran very aggressive defenses. He preferred smaller faster guys with motors who would always be going after the ball. His secondaries were the weak link and teams with fast paced pass offenses would lite his defense up.

This video shows his defense (after the slow start).

 

[RUChoppin]

With the athletes you have he will do well for you

This.

Our pass defenses weren't that great, largely because our CBs wouldn't turn around to look for the ball. This was more of a conservative defense thing - if you turn to look for the ball, you're more likely to be out of position for the tackle, while if you watch the player you won't lose him. Drove people crazy with that.

On the other hand, Schiano's schemes are great at keeping an OC and QB off balance. Stunting, blitzes from all positions, exotic looks, etc. Once the Big East switched over to so many spread attacks, he struggled a bit at times. His defense does great against the pro set, but has a harder time against a spread that gets the ball out quickly. Drove people crazy that he'd stay in a base 4-3 defense at times against the spread and let LBs try to cover WRs.

Liked to "move guys down a level" - meaning he'd sacrifice size for speed/mobility. Corners dropping down to play safety, safeties to play LB, LBs to play DE, etc. Khaseem Greene was a safety moved to LB, David Milewski was a LB moved to DE, etc. That often left us light at DL and middle LB, and exposed to big RBs running up the middle (Maryland abused that in 2007).

3rd down and 4th down were fun times, because we usually got off the field (often with a sack). Caused a lot of fumbles, lots of swarming to the ball, and 1/11th defense.

 

[Bleed_Scarlet]

You will become well aquainted with back up quarterbacks

Miss how we used to knock qbs out of the game with regularity

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

Some good stuff already posted. Let me add:

He will always be willing to sacrifice size for speed.

He doesn't have to do that at OSU (it was necessary to do that at RU because we could only pull in 2 and 3 star undeveloped recruits for the most part). OSU already has size WITH speed.

They recruit and land 4 and 5 star players continuously. GS will be playing with a championship level roster not the sub par MAC level talent that he had at Rutgers. That's what some off you FAIL to understand.

 

[lighty]

I think the key here is he enters a program with incredible players and incredible recruits. This situation should be far closer to him at Miami than him at Rutgers.

The people who point out the talent difference are spot on. Give Greg the type of talent that Ohio State has and he should have an incredible defense.

** There are also plenty of people here that simply hate Schiano for one reason or another. You're bound to get comments based more on hatred than reality. **

 

[rurichdog]

All this talk about not being able to defend the spread is just BULLSHIT, by posters that know nothing about Football. Once he started to get talent in here on D we were able to defend the spread well. The reason we lost games against WVU and Cincinnati (these are the games RU poster point to when they say GS can't defend the spread even though we beat plenty of other spread teams with consistency) was that our offense often SUCKED due to poor QB and OL play.

His defenses were great. Combined with OSU's defensive talent, speed and size, he should do great there. Against teams like WVU we were often at a talent and speed disadvantage. That won't be the case at OSU. His Tampa Bay defenses were great too. His problem has always been getting consistent production out of the offense. Defense was always good when we had the talent and we won plenty of games facing superior talent as well. A lot of posters here have a very warped sense of GS's accomplishments (or according to them lack of accomplishments). They discredit him at every turn. It's really sad.

69-38
47-15
40-0
80-7

Yep....not a bad defense, just poor offensive showings by Rutgers LOL

 

[RU205]

With the talent OSU has, you will have a fun D. to watch. Expect a lot of blitzes from all areas of the field. LB, safety's CBs, etc. he wants to go get the the QB before the QB can react. Make the QB throw before he wants to. He also wants to stop the run and force the other team to throw so he can get after the QB. With your DLs, you will not give up a lot of rushing yards. High pressure, very aggressive D.

His downfalls are his control freak handling of players. Hopefully for you Urban can take care of that. You also don't want him anywhere near the OC. Not the best play caller or game manager from an O side of the ball.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

69-38
47-15
40-0
80-7

Yep....not a bad defense, just poor offensive showings by Rutgers LOL

You are an IDIOT

Most of those games were played and lost when we had a d1aa roster left over from the Terry Shea error. Of course we were going to get blown out.

There was one huge blowout to Cincinnati in the 2009 opener (which was inexcusable) and some blowouts in 2010 when our entire team refused to tackle after they saw Eric Legrand get paralyzed after a routine tackle on a kick off mid season. So that season's results need to be thrown out since it was an outlier under extenuating circumstances.

Other than that his defenses were good and were what saved us most games.

 

[devoted2ru]

All this talk about not being able to defend the spread is just BULLSHIT, by posters that know nothing about Football. Once he started to get talent in here on D we were able to defend the spread well. The reason we lost games against WVU and Cincinnati (these are the games RU poster point to when they say GS can't defend the spread even though we beat plenty of other spread teams with consistency) was that our offense often SUCKED due to poor QB and OL play.

His defenses were great. Combined with OSU's defensive talent, speed and size, he should do great there. Against teams like WVU we were often at a talent and speed disadvantage. That won't be the case at OSU. His Tampa Bay defenses were great too. His problem has always been getting consistent production out of the offense. Defense was always good when we had the talent and we won plenty of games facing superior talent as well. A lot of posters here have a very warped sense of GS's accomplishments (or according to them lack of accomplishments). They discredit him at every turn. It's really sad.

Let me be clear, if you were referring to my post, I wasn't in ANY WAY trying to discredit GS in terms of his coaching. I wanted him to stay here before he left for the NFL. In fact, I wanted him back here to be coach again. I only stated what his factual record against a team like WVU was. He DID go 0-11 against them. I wish he didn't, but he did.

And I resent your statement about not knowing anything about football. I, too, thought GS's defenses were superior to what we've had here before or since, but that doesn't mean they were perfect. So stop being so damned sensitive about anything posted that's GS related. Just because somebody says there was one flaw in his "D's" doesn't mean that person is trashing Schiano, since I was as big a fan of GS as ANYONE.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Good luck beating Sparty or anyone decent on offense with Schiano....Any reasonable offensive coordinator will FEAST on Ohio State, talented or not....

 

[Underdogs88]

Schiano called it controlled kaos. He ran very aggressive defenses. He preferred smaller faster guys with motors who would always be going after the ball. His secondaries were the weak link and teams with fast paced pass offenses would lite his defense up.

He preferred big and fast, but those were the top recruits we had a hard time pulling in. His next option was to pick speed over size.

 

[Caliknight]

He will do very well at OSU. He knows defense. If there is a drop off from Ash, it won't be a lot.

He will have access to more talent than he had @ Rutgers during the Big East days, so he won't have to constantly scheme to blitz. He will have a front that can get after the QB without bringing outside pressure.

I'm sure you will see something similar to what you are accustomed to under Ash, which was a very aggressive D. That won't change.

He will also continue to develop players for the next level. It was a good hire for OSU, one that I am sure Schiano considers himself too good for, which is the only downside, imo. The guy has a healthy ego, which every coach does, but sometimes his got the best of him.

Let's see if he has evolved.

 

[rutgersal]

Schiano is a fantastic defensive coordinator and will get the most out of your defensive guys. the technique he teaches his DBs is the correct technique. he won't need to stunt, because y'all have the defensive linemen to play straight up. The only reason he played undersized players at rutgers was because he had trouble recruiting the big fast players to rutgers. To compensate, he played smaller, faster lineman and ran stunts frequently. when he was at Miami, he had big, fast, linemen, and his defenses were very effective. Congrats on a terrific hire.

 

[Akron Buck]

Thanks for the insights, keep them coming.

As for his personality, Urban keeps control of his coaches, I am not worried about him getting out of hand with Urban around. If anything it is a chance for schiano to learn a different philosophy on dealing with players and directing a program.

 

[James_Bond]

Your biggest fear is the kids turn on him for being such an unnecessary di*k and team chemistry goes right out the window. I'd out the odds on that happening at about 80%, considering Ash was a cool guy to play for and now they have to deal with a monster.

This is complete bullshit. Schiano can look his player in the eye and tell him to run through a wall and he will do it. He can motivate a player unlike many other coaches in the country...

 

[RU-ROCS]

Kind of disappointed that he would take the OSU DC job over an RU HCing job tbh. He was the first one we offered the RU job to this year but he turned it down. Pretty bummed about this OSU hire... :(

Source? I have seen no confirmation that Schiano was offered the job.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

1 thing he shows to his defense is a video of a bunch of lions hunting prey. Specifically he wants and encourages players to gang tackle and hit hard, swarm to the ball. I'd be excited if I were an OSU fan on this hire (but you're probably excited already, cuz you're osu anyway...).

 

[SkilletHead2]

You're getting a guy who once got beat 80-7. And contrary to earlier comments, the spread offense does baffle him.

The upside on Schiano is that he is a workaholic and highly detail-oriented. He is good at developing talent. His major weakness is that he is a very poor game day coach. He gets out-coached all the time.

At OSU, that might not matter given the quality of the athletes you get. But one day, in a Michigan or Michigan State game, you are going to come away saying, "Why the hell did we do that?"

 

[RU-ROCS]

You are an IDIOT

Most of those games were played and lost when we had a d1aa roster left over from the Terry Shea error. Of course we were going to get blown out.

There was one huge blowout to Cincinnati in the 2009 opener (which was inexcusable) and some blowouts in 2010 when our entire team refused to tackle after they saw Eric Legrand get paralyzed after a routine tackle on a kick off mid season. So that season's results need to be thrown out since it was an outlier under extenuating circumstances.

Other than that his defenses were good and were what saved us most games.

Some exaggeration in the here for sure by RichDog, but Schiano's defenses undeniably struggled against the spread. For example, Schiano's 2006 team was loaded with talent on Defense but still gave up 41 points to WVU and in 2004, where we had enough talent to beat Michigan State, Schiano's D got lit up by Chip Kelly's D-1AA UNH for 30+ points in a devastating loss.

 

[BigLou]

Source? I have seen no confirmation that Schiano was offered the job.

Schiano was not offered the Rutgers HC job. But he an Meyers are friends and have mutual respect. This will be stepping stone back to a HC job for Schiano. With the size and speed of the talent on OSU he will do very well there. However I do not think his being there hurts are recruiting at all. If he recruits NJ he will get the same players that any other OSU recruiter would have gotten.

 

[jellyman]

Kind of disappointed that he would take the OSU DC job over an RU HCing job tbh. He was the first one we offered the RU job to this year but he turned it down. Pretty bummed about this OSU hire... :(

Though stated as a fact, my understanding is that this is not actually true. There WAS a rumor Schiano was offered the job, but my understanding is that RU never offered Schiano, and in fact never seriously considered him, as RU was looking to go in an entirely different direction for the program from the start.