And madhat, if u honestly think the "cover up" which has never even stood trial is the bigger issue than children being abused by the a actual abuser than u have a seriously messed up sense of morals. 23-2 has gotten to u, maybe not landing any recruits with a psu offer has gotten to u, its because of THOSE things that u still complain, don't even for a minute claim that u care about the victims because u mock the situation all the time making it either a joke or about football.... Classless
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And madhat, if u honestly think the "cover up" which has never even stood trial is the bigger issue than children being abused by the a actual abuser than u have a seriously messed up sense of morals. 23-2 has gotten to u, maybe not landing any recruits with a psu offer has gotten to u, its because of THOSE things that u still complain, don't even for a minute claim that u care about the victims because u mock the situation all the time making it either a joke or about football.... Classless
It is my opinion that the proof or RU recruiting challenges appeared after the 2006 season. After coming off a bowl in 2005 and a top 15 ranking for 2007, NJ HS players should have been flocking to RU. We had a 23 player class with only 3 4 stars. 4 2 stars and the rest 3 stars. A #37 ranking in Rivals. The proof was there, do not rely on NJ HS recruiting. Stop fixating on it, recognize that this is a long term issue and adjust recruiting.
That's the plan.
Stock pile 3 star and under the radar 2 star recruits while State Penn and others pick the cream of the crop of NJ recruits.
Great having players who want to compete at this level but there is a reason why the only offers are Monmouth and Temple. The disparity in talent will unfortunately show in the 2016 and 2017 seasons for us.
I don't care where kids are rated...that is for us fans, mostly in online forums, to enjoy/debate during the off-season. The only thing that matters is what happens on the field. I get it that a lot of people want more than what KF has delivered on the field these past 3 years and that is their right. I'm fine with it because I know Rutgers' place in college football and the B1G at the moment and am realistic about the challenges we face. Sure, my PREFERENCE would be to have a mix of highly rated in-state studs like Darius Hamilton and Leonte Carroo mixed in with underrated kids with chips on their shoulder who are grinders and gamers on the field. Because I just don't think we will ever really be able to "out-Ohio State Ohio State"...in other words, we're not going to beat them or a healthy Michigan program at their own game. We are going to need to be more like Michigan State or Wisconsin. IMO, Penn State has fallen off from what they were (they are still a superior program to us) over the past 10-15 years because they have tried to be more like an Ohio State or Michigan and have gotten away from what made their program special in the 70's and 80's...tough, blue collar, hard-nosed kids who played smart, physical football. I realize that times change and it's a different game now but Michigan State has proven you still can compete and win with that formula. I'm not saying Flood is the right man for this program long term...he's probably not. But in 3 seasons he's 7 games over .500 and that includes our toughest schedule ever and a piece of a conference championship (albeit a weak conference) in 2012. Until I see a drop off from that on the field I'm not going to whine about where our recruiting classes are ranked.
The amount of scarlet butthurt in this thread is embarrassing.
Stop comparing Rutgers to PSU. They have an established program with a history of success (including a national championship), top notch facilities, and a gigantic stadium filled with rabid fans. And they completely dominate their market.
We are much more like TCU or Boise State than PSU and they should be programs that we should be measuring up to. TCU went to the Fiesta Bowl in 2010 and the Rose Bowl in 2011. Boise State has gone to the Fiesta Bowl THREE times in the last decade. Yet look at their recruiting results the last 10 years -- I would say TCU is marginally better than us but our classes run laps around Boise State's. And that's WITH significant investment into facilities like these:
These programs have seen great on the field success, have invested heavily into their programs, and have had coaches like Chris Petersen & Gary Patterson walking into recruit's living rooms with fists full of shiny conference & bowl rings.
And still, these programs haven't experienced overwhelming recruiting success.
Some of you really need to recalibrate your expectations...
Stop comparing Rutgers to PSU. They have an established program with a history of success (including a national championship), top notch facilities, and a gigantic stadium filled with rabid fans. And they completely dominate their market.
We are much more like TCU or Boise State than PSU and they should be programs that we should be measuring up to. TCU went to the Fiesta Bowl in 2010 and the Rose Bowl in 2011. Boise State has gone to the Fiesta Bowl THREE times in the last decade. Yet look at their recruiting results the last 10 years -- I would say TCU is marginally better than us but our classes run laps around Boise State's. And that's WITH significant investment into facilities like these:
These programs have seen great on the field success, have invested heavily into their programs, and have had coaches like Chris Petersen & Gary Patterson walking into recruit's living rooms with fists full of shiny conference & bowl rings.
And still, these programs haven't experienced overwhelming recruiting success.
Some of you really need to recalibrate your expectations...
mrtrthna5thgrdr with more BS and easily refuted
Murdock wasn't an assistant he was director of basketball operations and used Rice's bad behavior in an effort to get money from RU and tried to say he was let go because of his concerns with Rice's abusive tactics. But never did a thing until he was let go and then after being refused a pay-off gave ESPN the practice videos he had
Rutgers' version of why Murdock's contract wasn't renewed goes like this: Rice had questions about Murdock's work ethic, and the last straw came when Rice asked him to address a Rutgers summer basketball camp and Murdock instead that day spoke to a camp at Bridgewater-Raritan High School, where his son Eric was camper.)
>The FBI is investigating whether former Rutgers director of basketball operations Eric Murdock tried to extort the university, the New York Times reported. In December, Murdock's lawyer reportedly sent a letter to Rutgers officials two weeks after Rice's initial suspension demanding $950,000, a sum that the university chose not to pay.<
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...tle-blower-eric-murdock-142614949--ncaab.html
As for Sandusky's molesting children, no one denies that was disgusting and he deserves everything he got, but the arguments with the Nits that come on this board is the way Penn St covered up Sandusky's child molesting and who was involved in that cover-up
When did I bring up Miami U, making up stories seems to be one of your tactics when you have been proven wrong .
Murdock wasn't an assistant he was director of basketball operations and used Rice's bad behavior in an effort to get money from RU and tried to say he was let go because of his concerns with Rice's abusive tactics. But never did a thing until he was let go and then after being refused a pay-off gave ESPN the practice videos he had
Rutgers' version of why Murdock's contract wasn't renewed goes like this: Rice had questions about Murdock's work ethic, and the last straw came when Rice asked him to address a Rutgers summer basketball camp and Murdock instead that day spoke to a camp at Bridgewater-Raritan High School, where his son Eric was camper.)
>The FBI is investigating whether former Rutgers director of basketball operations Eric Murdock tried to extort the university, the New York Times reported. In December, Murdock's lawyer reportedly sent a letter to Rutgers officials two weeks after Rice's initial suspension demanding $950,000, a sum that the university chose not to pay.<
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...tle-blower-eric-murdock-142614949--ncaab.html
As for Sandusky's molesting children, no one denies that was disgusting and he deserves everything he got, but the arguments with the Nits that come on this board is the way Penn St covered up Sandusky's child molesting and who was involved in that cover-up
When did I bring up Miami U, making up stories seems to be one of your tactics when you have been proven wrong .
Miketd1...
Where can I get a better view of those Rutgers "Heritage" uniform concepts. looks interesting.
As for the Penn State, throw the Sandusky thing out the window for a moment. The real crux about why many around college football can't stand Penn State has to do with their fan base always acting holier than though, denouncing the behavior of programs like Miami, Florida State and Ohio State. Yet when PSU players started getting in trouble off the field at an alarming rate in the 2000's, PSU fans were all like "this happens at every college program, it's just boys being boys, blah blah blah". It's their arrogance and hypocrisy, not jealousy, which caused everyone to pile on when the Sandusky scandal came down. It's actually PSU fans who were acting jealous of the success programs like Miami, USC and Ohio State enjoyed.
Personally I don't think Sandusky's crimes have anything to do with Joe Pa or the PSU football program. But I do believe a good majority of their (rather large) fan base are arrogant hypocrites for the aforementioned reasons.
Where can I get a better view of those Rutgers "Heritage" uniform concepts. looks interesting.
As for the Penn State, throw the Sandusky thing out the window for a moment. The real crux about why many around college football can't stand Penn State has to do with their fan base always acting holier than though, denouncing the behavior of programs like Miami, Florida State and Ohio State. Yet when PSU players started getting in trouble off the field at an alarming rate in the 2000's, PSU fans were all like "this happens at every college program, it's just boys being boys, blah blah blah". It's their arrogance and hypocrisy, not jealousy, which caused everyone to pile on when the Sandusky scandal came down. It's actually PSU fans who were acting jealous of the success programs like Miami, USC and Ohio State enjoyed.
Personally I don't think Sandusky's crimes have anything to do with Joe Pa or the PSU football program. But I do believe a good majority of their (rather large) fan base are arrogant hypocrites for the aforementioned reasons.
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Thanks Mike! I absolutely love that exact helmet...I think it's our best of the new versions and I'd like to see us wear it every week. The uniforms look a little too much like Ohio State but I do prefer the classic look. Wonder if we slapped scarlet pants on the home reds and maybe black numbers with red trim on the road whites.
Boogie: It's the sleeve striping. I've actually rethought the concept and am currently developing another one based on feedback I received on a prior thread discussing uniforms.
His full title was "director of basketball player development" that is a fancy way of saying assistant coach and MUCH different than "Director of Basketball operations" BIG DIFFERENCE! He was an assistant coach. Ur 100% wrong madhat and u sound like the idiot nit fans who will twist things so that Joe never did anything wrong, that is exactly what ur doing. The video evidence is undeniable that mike rice was abusive and they fired Eric Murdock for doing nothing wrong. Did u really just defend mike rice and lend him any credibility?
Ur stupidity is legendary madhat, u come on here and complain constantly about penn state still supporting joe and u are the biggest spin master of them all A COMPLETE FRAUD! He was an assistant coach and ur rationale makes no sense, he tried to leverage to get more money? What does that have to do with Mike Rice throwing basketballs and abusing his players and the athletic director allowing him to continue to do so? If ur gonna constantly bash penn state u better learn the facts about ur own schools' cover up.
I can't say it any clearer, u lost the argument, u are wrong, I am going to repeat it as many times as I need to to make it sink in. Ur 'director of basketball operations' thing was completely made up, ur twisting things for I have no clue what reason other than u realize that RU had a cover up scandal just like pen state but that would take away all ur arguments against them so u don't acknowledge it, keep living in denial and lying to yourself fraud
Knight I agree 100% psu fans do feel like their better than anyone in the area and whether or not that's true or not I respect the hell out of them for it. They support all things pen state 100%, they are all RutgersAl's. My question is what is wrong with that? It's sports, we're fans we should support our teams and schools no matter what. I still sat in the RAC supporting our basketball team after the mike rice fiasco, I still yelled and cheered with tremendous pride. Why is it so wrong that pen state has school spirit? It's who they are, always have been, why do u think all of them play off any call from us for a rivalry, they are focussed on themselves. Read this board people here care more about pen state sucking than Rutgers winning
Went to a Trenton Thunder game last night (wife had a company function there) and saw a handful of folks in PSU gear. No Rutgers apparel in sight. I should have worn my cap, but I was in a rush (commuting back from NYC) and in my haste forgot it on my way out the door.
Rutgers is making steady progress though, as evidenced by all the R magnets on the turnpike.
Rutgers is making steady progress though, as evidenced by all the R magnets on the turnpike.
Dalip Bhatia was named Director of Basketball Operations at Rutgers University on May 23, 2013
Sounds like smarter isn't as smart as it thinks it is when saying "Ur 'director of basketball operations' thing was completely made up"
But done proving it wrong, like every troll just seeking attention.
I apologize to the posters who are trying to discuss issues in this thread, for giving 5thgrader the attention it desperately seeks.
I'm done with it .
Saving a reply by posting it here.
Seems like Murdock was Director of Player Development and I was mistaken when strongly claimed Director of Basketball operations.
When mistaken, will acknowledge it , no matter who pointed it out.
Duties of Director of Player Development
Sounds like smarter isn't as smart as it thinks it is when saying "Ur 'director of basketball operations' thing was completely made up"
But done proving it wrong, like every troll just seeking attention.
I apologize to the posters who are trying to discuss issues in this thread, for giving 5thgrader the attention it desperately seeks.
I'm done with it .
Saving a reply by posting it here.
Seems like Murdock was Director of Player Development and I was mistaken when strongly claimed Director of Basketball operations.
When mistaken, will acknowledge it , no matter who pointed it out.
Duties of Director of Player Development
- The biggest duty for a director of player development is mentoring and looking after the younger and newer members of the team. The new members of the team are, generally, most in need of development; they have to adapt to the league, prepare for the long season and learn the team playbook and schemes. In addition, younger players are also learning how to live as an adult or on their own for the first time. In a lot of cases, having a former player in the role who has faced these same hurdles and obstacles is beneficial to the younger players.
- College player development coaches help with recruitment and monitor academic compliance.
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Dhalip Bhatia took over for Josh Loeffler as director of basketball operations, not Eric Murdock. Eric Murdock NEVER served as director of basketball operations. I don't know how much clearer I can get, ur argument was that he was the director of basketball operations which would put him in a different category. You are 100% wrong with ur statement, it's not even opinion it's fact, u made up an argument to make a point and oh sh*t, just got Called out on it.
I was wondering when u were going to play the troll card madhat, normally it comes out when u realize ur wrong and just want it to end. Next time u wanna make an argument with me learn ur facts! No you are not smarter than a 5th grader
Listen, things get heated, I get it and at the end of the day no matter how different our opinions are about PSU we both support Rutgers, we need to stick together so no worries man. Lets just hope we can start to land some of these guys and make an impact in recruiting in the big 10. Time will tell
Yeh, when do we find out the extent of Fries' connections to Ped? It's a fair question imho since some on here are killing Flood and/or spouting theories about the lagging in-state reputation of RU, etc. Is this the burning issue in this world that seems close to spinning out-of-control? No, but it's relevant to fans of RU football.
What's wrong with that type of attitude? - it leads to a culture that results in the biggest scandal in the history of college football, that is all!
RUsmarterthanaPeddStateMolested5thGrader? - I'm calling you out, you are a Pedd Supporter, no way in hell that you have any affiliation to Rutgers. As an fyi, you gave yourself away with the line that "Paterno was spotless" before the Sandusky scandal.
There appears to be more and more Ped fans on this board every Day and they are pretending to be Rutgers fans.
GS, ur blinded by ur hate. Go away now. Do ur same song and dance about pen state then call anyone who doesn't agree with u a troll, blah blah blah.
GS, I just graduated from RU last month, I also understand how to not make an idiot out of myself like the cult memebers (people who still obsess over Sandusky). Just because I don't hate penn state doesn't make me a pen state fan. U ARE allowed to do that
RUsmrtrthna5thgrdr - rutgersdave and RUchip have now also both recognized that you are a Penn State troll, so your gig is up. BTW, just so you know, what first gave you away from the possibility of just being an ignorant RU grad vs. a Pedd State troll was when you referred to Paterno's record as being, other than the Sandusky scandal, "spotless". That sealed the deal in my mind.
Woz - as an fyi, for posts that mostly eliminate all the Penn State crap and focus more exclusively on our Scarlet Knights football team, I highly recommend the premium board here, the Round Table. Yes, we get one or two Pedd State interlopers there once in a while, like "getmyjive", but they are mostly knowledgeable fans who can add value to the discussion and, most importantly, unlike RUsmrt.... they don't deny who they are or their affiliation.
I'm not sure RUsmrt conveys his message to the PSU haters very well, but I agree with him in principal. The sour grapes, inferiority complex/obsession is obvious.
As in all forms of denial the perpatrators/perpetuaters of hate are the last to know their real motivation.
As in all forms of denial the perpatrators/perpetuaters of hate are the last to know their real motivation.
Could be true some just hate Penn St and sour grapes, inferiority complex/obsession might show for some but:
The cover-up happened and is an issue that should not be forgotten and not subjected to the constant whining about it being brought up.
Sometimes it's not " the perpatrators/perpetuaters of hate thast cause the most trouble, but the Nit trolls that come on this board causing trouble with their BS that keeps the hatred going, hijacking some threads into fighting Penn St trolls instead of sticking to an issue totally unrelated to Penn St.because RU fans defend RU against the BS some Nits post in the thread.
I will admit there are far more Penn St threads on this board than there should be that turn into pissing contests about it and cult members and PSU apologists are just as guilty for keeping some of those threads alive.
Maybe it would help if some posters treated some Nit trolls and PSU apologists the same as they treat RU posters that bash everything Penn St
When Penn St trolls ( not calling any poster in this thread one) come on Scarlet Nation to bash RU FB, an eerie silence is heard from some of the posters that complain about how Penn St is treated by some SN members.
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Madhat-
I don't see any PSU trolls on our board unless prompted first by our obsessed crew, I understand it's our board and we can say and talk about anything we'd like.
But in this case I talk of the motivation, and that motivation is transparently obvious and pathetic. The vast majority of PSU posters who visit our board to talk recruiting and football are respectful, knowledgable and add value.
I don't see any PSU trolls on our board unless prompted first by our obsessed crew, I understand it's our board and we can say and talk about anything we'd like.
But in this case I talk of the motivation, and that motivation is transparently obvious and pathetic. The vast majority of PSU posters who visit our board to talk recruiting and football are respectful, knowledgable and add value.
Zap we'll argue about the vast majority, but there are a good amount of Nits that come on this board that deserve my respect and I try to give them the respect they deserve. As for their value here, I can't and won't say some of the Nits posting on this board don't add value.
Some of the Penn St posters are a great addition to this board with some of the info they have shared here or an opinion they expressed that was well thought oput and informative about how they thought about something being discussed.
But I'll give a bunch of $#!t back to any and all of the Nits that disrespect Rutgers and support the haters of everything Penn St when they bring up good points when putting Penn St, the cult or paterno apologist down.
I'm sure the way I post in threads about Penn St, most feel I hate them with a passion and concerning the cover-up I do.
But I admire how the decent Penn St fans support their school ( leaving the cover-up out of it) their HC and are passionate about their FB program.
If anyone wants to claim I'm jealous of Penn St, you're right.
I'm jealous of how ( decent) Penn St fans support their football program, coaches and players, compared to how RU fans treat theirs.
I'm also sad about how some RU fans seem to knock others when Penn St is the issue, but don't jump on B/W members that come on this board
insulting RU.
RUsmrt... got me thinking about the JoePa defenders on this board, they fall into three categories:
1) PSU trolls, which we now know that RUsmrt is,
2) Very naïve fans who don't follow college sports closely,
3) Someone who has some sort of affinity with JoePa, perhaps his family knew him personally.
I won't mention names, but I believe that one RU poster here, one who used to extoll the virtues of JoePa prior to the Sandusky scandal breaking and then completely disappeared from this board after the scandal broke, falls into that latter category.
zappaa, I will be visiting Montclair today, attending a reunion of sorts with many classmates from college.
BTW, that "college reunion" that I will be attending is not Rutgers. I am not an RU grad, I went to smaller school in NY that is now part of St. John's University. I was born in NJ, but have spent time in both PA and NJ. Point is that I have no affinity with RU and could just as easily be a PSU fan as an RU fan. I choose to be an RU fan because I have much greater admiration for the way that RU athletics has conducted itself over time than PSU, the latter I see to be hypocrites and frauds. I mention that because I always get a kick out of those who think that pointing out PSU's misdeeds and failings is some form of "jealously" or "inferiority complex". I am an RU fan out of choice not affiliation.
1) PSU trolls, which we now know that RUsmrt is,
2) Very naïve fans who don't follow college sports closely,
3) Someone who has some sort of affinity with JoePa, perhaps his family knew him personally.
I won't mention names, but I believe that one RU poster here, one who used to extoll the virtues of JoePa prior to the Sandusky scandal breaking and then completely disappeared from this board after the scandal broke, falls into that latter category.
zappaa, I will be visiting Montclair today, attending a reunion of sorts with many classmates from college.
BTW, that "college reunion" that I will be attending is not Rutgers. I am not an RU grad, I went to smaller school in NY that is now part of St. John's University. I was born in NJ, but have spent time in both PA and NJ. Point is that I have no affinity with RU and could just as easily be a PSU fan as an RU fan. I choose to be an RU fan because I have much greater admiration for the way that RU athletics has conducted itself over time than PSU, the latter I see to be hypocrites and frauds. I mention that because I always get a kick out of those who think that pointing out PSU's misdeeds and failings is some form of "jealously" or "inferiority complex". I am an RU fan out of choice not affiliation.
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I swear I see zero Joe Pa defenders that are RU fans, I am the furthest thing from a Joe Pa defender. I see the ordeal as gone and in the past, every PSU fan and grad I know and there are many are and were appalled at what happened.
You make light of a small, tiny/minute segment of PSU supporters. You root for RU for the same reason I do, you're from NJ. I don't believe for one second you chose RU over PSU long before these heinous crimes took place because of the way we conducted ourselves compared to them …I don't believe it.
I spent 8 years in PA, never did I consider Pitt or PSU to be my team, and never did some sort of morality enter into who my favorite team was, I'm an RU fan because I'm a NJ kid.
You make light of a small, tiny/minute segment of PSU supporters. You root for RU for the same reason I do, you're from NJ. I don't believe for one second you chose RU over PSU long before these heinous crimes took place because of the way we conducted ourselves compared to them …I don't believe it.
I spent 8 years in PA, never did I consider Pitt or PSU to be my team, and never did some sort of morality enter into who my favorite team was, I'm an RU fan because I'm a NJ kid.
Perhaps I'm just ignorant I really don't know of anything else wrong on paterno' resume other than the Sandusky fiasco. Don't give me the garbage about him and Doug graver at midfield, that's just sports but enlighten me because I don't know, what else did Paterno do wrong in his career?
"Perhaps I'm just ignorant..."
You should stop right there...no need to go any further.
Long before the Sandusky nightmare became public knowledge Pedd St. had moved from "holier than thou" to "we got more guys arrested this month than you " university. It was really quite amazing how many of their players got in trouble with the law.
You should stop right there...no need to go any further.
Long before the Sandusky nightmare became public knowledge Pedd St. had moved from "holier than thou" to "we got more guys arrested this month than you " university. It was really quite amazing how many of their players got in trouble with the law.
Drinking and fighting, college kids never do that, especially athletes. We are the most holier than thou frauds I know.
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