FSU at #5 Florida
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If you watched Izzy’s post game tape he mentioned Bridges has been nursing a sore ankle. That could be the reason he was being rested. Your statement kind of indicates you feel it was more MSU not trying to run up score (see accelerator comment) as opposed to RU being a fairly good team. If you can’t see based on how we have played against FSU, Minny and now MSU that we may have had something to do with final scores than your not seeing what we have as a team is getting better by the game
I mean this is going to be our 27th straight season without going to the tournament. Frankly we could use a lot more unhappiness (instead of apathy) from our fanbase. We seem to be heading in the right direction but we're clearly not there yet. If we make the tournament and he's still all negative then let's talk.
The way I have looked at, not only Figs posts,but others who post negative comments, when i believe they are negative just for the sake of being negative is to take a peek at their likes. I have liked negative posts when they are warranted. Fig has posted close to 18,900 comments with ONLY 1833 likes. Kinda leads me to believe most of his posts lack substance
I am realistic and call it like i see it. I know nothing about you, but I am at every game and I cheer loud. I am saying something people don't want to hear and doesn't fit their narrative
You made a comment about Bridges without knowing why he was being taken out. You make an assumption that Izzo took his foot off the accelerator. By doing so you give the impression that our team - the one you say you cheer for - had zero to do with final outcome. If that’s -as you say- how you see it then you are not seeing a whole lot. Izzo said we played good D and we are going to be good down the road. You say MSU could have won by 20 if they wanted to. That’s your opinion so your not wrong but you are short sided in that opinion because you obviously are missing a lot of points that may have changed your opinion
Rutgers stayed in the game because of defense and rebounding.
What points are going to change my opinion?
I am sorry to take some steam out of our 3 losses. I think our program has now elevated to the level that our performance over the past 3 games quite frankly was expected. My opinion of this hasn't improved the last week and a half. View that negatively if you want, but quite frankly it is positive.
2 things
1. Pikiell is not pleased and I'll bet has come to expect our effort
2. Izzo and other coaches will always praise. Just listen to the comments from coaches about Jordan.
What points are going to change my opinion?
I am sorry to take some steam out of our 3 losses. I think our program has now elevated to the level that our performance over the past 3 games quite frankly was expected. My opinion of this hasn't improved the last week and a half. View that negatively if you want, but quite frankly it is positive.
2 things
1. Pikiell is not pleased and I'll bet has come to expect our effort
2. Izzo and other coaches will always praise. Just listen to the comments from coaches about Jordan.
FIG, I usually see your negative comments as constructive criticism, but not this time.
Saying MSU could have won by 20 if Izzo wanted to, is not only incorrect, but it's a slap in the face of our coach and players who went all out and gave MSU a legitimate scare.
We were tied at the half and leading by one point well into the second half. You think Izzo wasn't a little worried? His team was in a dogfight and he knew it.
Saying MSU could have won by 20 if Izzo wanted to, is not only incorrect, but it's a slap in the face of our coach and players who went all out and gave MSU a legitimate scare.
We were tied at the half and leading by one point well into the second half. You think Izzo wasn't a little worried? His team was in a dogfight and he knew it.
are you debating the fact that izzo sat 3/5 of the starting lineup most of the 2nd half or Bridges was taken out of the game after every MSU run OR izzo wasn't working the refs?
Bridges averages 27.8 minutes per game, and he played 29 minutes against us.
Langford averages 26.1 minutes and he played 29 minutes against us.
Jaren Jackson averages 22 minutes per game, and he played 26 minutes against us.
Seems like Izzo knew his team was being challenged, and kept his stud players in longer to be sure he got out of here with a win.
Langford averages 26.1 minutes and he played 29 minutes against us.
Jaren Jackson averages 22 minutes per game, and he played 26 minutes against us.
Seems like Izzo knew his team was being challenged, and kept his stud players in longer to be sure he got out of here with a win.
This.
I'll add:
1) Bridges was really struggling in the 2nd half when Williams covered him - Williams physicality bothered Bridges more than Thiam's length. Bridges was missing shots in the 2nd half (I had him 2-8 or 2-9 in the 2nd half).
2) Another poster also pointed out that Ward was sat probably not because Izzo was taking it easy on RU but because RU was getting a huge number of offensive rebounds. Freeman, Omoruyi and Doucore had 12 offensive rebounds between them. Schilling and Goins did a better job rebounding versus RU than Ward. Maybe THAT was why Ward got fewer minutes in this game.
3) The real difference makers versus RU, other than MSU really upping their defensive intensity in the 2nd half were: Bridges 1st half scoring, Langford's clutch 2nd half scoring, and Jaren Jackson's shot-blocking throughout the game, and 2nd half clean-up baskets. RU had no answers for those 4 items, in the end (MSU's defense and the 3 key players at different times).
As will happen much of the season, RU will struggle to find enough offense to get the key and clutch shots MADE when they have to be made. As I have stated before, and will again, the difference between 3-4 Big Ten wins and 6 Big Ten wins for RU will be the LUCK of putting together enough players scoring and hitting baskets in the games in which RU can win, as opposed to those where RU cannot win.
Oddly enough, it appears that this game, which I would have thought was a "cannot win" game, could have been a "win" game if RU had gotten some hot and clutch shots, especially from Williams and Baker (Sanders forced too many shots) ... or simply 2-3 more made lay-ups of the 5-6 missed lay ups. Who would have thunk?
MSU has won by 15+ every game except Duke. Those players minutes reflect the minutes the players play in those games.
Against Duke, Jaren Jackson led the team with 19 points on 70% shooting to go along with 7 rebounds. Yet he played only 24 minutes against Duke, and played 26 minutes against us.
We can keep going back and forth on this or we can both agree that MSU is a deep talented team that allows Izzo to substitute liberally.
Izzo trying to send a message to ward and to a lesser extent Winston.
To me the best takeaway from this game as a Rutgers fan was not that we can play close to MSU, but the fact that Mike Williams was a major factor. The wins we are going to have in the B1G I am going to guess will have a Mike williams stamp.
Last year, MSU had just one player average more than 22.9 min/game, which was Bridges at 32 min. Izzo spreads his minutes out more and utilizes his depth - he had 9 players last year that averaged 18+ minutes.
Even against Duke, he had 9 players with at least 11 minutes and 7 with at least 15 min.
This isn't last year's team. This is a Final 4 caliber team with an extremely talented starting 5. He will have this team peaking at the right time. Part of the process is programming his players to play the right way. Last night we saw that with Ward and Winston.
2 question marks....1. Are Winston and Langford good enough guards? 2. Depth. He plays 11, but there is a big drop off from starters to bench.
This might be one of the top 5 non kentucky starting 5s we have seen in 20+ years.
Sorry FIG but you've been all over the place in this thread. Saying MSU would've beat us by 20 if they wanted too and Izzo pulling starters out to basically teach them a lesson. You're just throwing random things out there with nothing but your opinion to back them up. If you said MSU had a bad game with some credit to RU's defense I would've understood but you just are finding any way to undermine RU's effort last night based on garbage and nonfactual rationale. I don't get what you're trying to do here. Temper expectations? Do you get PTSD hearing about great efforts in losses?
We lost to #3 by 10, and #11 by 5, so, if that math is right, we are about ~#19 in the country. Who is officially ranked there right now?... you guessed it .. Next Saturday is the rebuild's zenith
Izzo wanted to be up 2 with < 6 minutes to go.
He chose not to be up by 20.
And he knew RU was going to go on a 5-6 minute FG scoring drought; thus, no risk of RU pulling the upset.
Pass the crack pipe, dude.
Nick Ward is 3rd in the nation in scoring per minute
Cassius Winston is shooting 57% from 3 this year.
Izzo played Gavin Schilling and Lou Rawls Narin instead. Both average 1 ppg.
Michigan State is NOT #3 in the country because of Gavin schilling lourawls narin and Tillman
well they lost to Loyola Chicago...the bloom is off that rose..never trust a SEC school other than Kentucky
It was a stunning loss for UF. Loyola lost it’s starting PG in the first couple of minutes and won without him. UF looked terrific against Duke, albeit it in a close loss. Since then, they are winless. Right now they depend way too much on 3 point shooting and the shots are not falling.
Normally, I would agree with you BAC, but not this year. Besides Kentucky, Florida will bounce back, Tennessee and Texas A&M are very good. Georgia , Alabama , South Carolina and Arkansas are very good as well. Miss State is undefeated but have not seen them play. This is the deepest the Sec has been and a good chance to get as many bids if not more than the Big 10 this year
They are steadily improving the basketball programs. Three of the teams in the Elite Eight were from the SEC. They've hired some good young coaches. Currently ranked No. 4 by Kenpom.com, ahead of the B1G and Pac-12.
we shall see.,...generally when I do my NCAA bubble analysis, the SEC schools all end up in trouble because of a weak sos and lack of top 50 wins, have not seen who some of these teams play except for Fla andKY who have obiviously have played a tough schedule but in the past they loaded up on cupcakes
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