FSU trustees concerned with ACC's place among Power 5 conferences

[hiwater]

Their gripe dissolved when they lost to Baylor.

.., and when they couldn't stop anyone with a pulse from scoring between 40 to 60 points on them every game. Let them play an extra P5 team and an OOC schedule that has a pulse and you could make a little better argument for them. Their D or lack of D would still doom that argument

 

[D-Wing]

4 teams is probably the correct number most years. But, to get us away from the bickering/polls nonsense at the added cost of ***gasp*** 4 more games of college football a year, sign me up for 8.

Win your conference, you're in. B12 - get off your arse and have a damn champ game.

5 autobids for the major confs. Lump all the rest into 1 crappy conf for another autobid. 2 at large.

I actually think 4 teams is the right number.
If they give auto-bids for winning a P5 conference you can forget about seeing P5 teams play each other OOC ever again. There would be zero incentive to worry about SOS. Teams would only have to worry about winning their conference (even if it's a down year in the conference). How much complaining would we hear complaining about a 2 or 3-loss conference champion taking a spot in the playoff.

 

[Manayunkeer]

.., and when they couldn't stop anyone with a pulse from scoring between 40 to 60 points on them every game. Let them play an extra P5 team and an OOC schedule that has a pulse and you could make a little better argument for them. Their D or lack of D would still doom that argument

Tcu's defense didn't give up 40 to 60 every game last year? Where did that come from? Their defense gave up fewer points/game than FSU or Ohio state.

 

[Upstream]

You cannot exclude an undefeated team from a P5 conference because doing so means that conference does not belong among the college football elite conferences.

Yes. That is the logical conclusion. But just because you conclude that the ACC was a step behind last year (and therefore undefeated FSU did not belong in the playoffs), that doesn't mean that the ACC is always behind the other 4 P5 conferences. There are ebbs and flows in conference strength. At some point in the futere, maybe the ACC will be stronger and being undefeated in the ACC will mean more than being a one-loss team in another conference.

 

[bigdrago]

:rolleyes:

6 team playoff -
3 vs. 6 and 4 vs. 5 at home of higher seeded team mid December. Winners play 1 and 2 on NYD. Championship game a week later.

Bingo

 

[mdh2003]

I actually think 4 teams is the right number.
If they give auto-bids for winning a P5 conference you can forget about seeing P5 teams play each other OOC ever again..

I'm sure some will pad the OOC with cupcakes. But...ever again...I don't know about that. Are there even enough non-P5 to fill up ALL OOC? That would mean either: some non-P5s will play 4-5 home games a year (not happening), or, non-P5s will play a LOT more H/H with P5s (also not happening). Plus, the argument can be made that without having to worry about an OOC loss derailing from a trip to the playoffs, schools really have no downside to schedule aggressively.

How much complaining would we hear complaining about a 2 or 3-loss conference champion taking a spot in the playoff.

Too bad - you had your shot on the field (unlike when it's driven by polls). Win your conference, don't be a baby.

 

[sherrane]

Yes. That is the logical conclusion. But just because you conclude that the ACC was a step behind last year (and therefore undefeated FSU did not belong in the playoffs), that doesn't mean that the ACC is always behind the other 4 P5 conferences. There are ebbs and flows in conference strength. At some point in the futere, maybe the ACC will be stronger and being undefeated in the ACC will mean more than being a one-loss team in another conference.

The problem with your assertion that the ACC was weaker than the Big 12 is that it isn't unquestionably correct. Most of the computers had the ACC and the Big 12 as the #4 and #5 conferences last season, but the Big 12 was the consensus #4. The margin for almost all of the computers was razor-thin, so the belief that an 11-1 team was better than a 13-0 team would be very difficult to prove especially when the ACC was 2-0 against the Big 12 during the season (FSU over OK St and Duke over Kansas) and Clemson lit up Oklahoma in the Russell Athletic Bowl as well.

 

[Scarlet Pride]

I don't like the ideas of byes either. All that does is "solve" a perceived problem (of potentially snubbing a team ranked 5-6) by creating an even larger problem by giving two teams a huge advantage. If you think the debate over 4 vs 5/6 is heated now just imagine the 2 vs 3/4 complaints when you are now giving a bye to the #2 team.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

ACC and Big12 are power conferences in name only, they were grandfather in based on history.

 

[rurichdog]

The ACC can pick up UConn. That will solve all their problems, just ask the-boneyard.

 

[brista21]

I actually think they should move to 6 teams and stop. Top 2 get a first-round bye and then have 3 vs. 6 and 4 vs. 5 games at the 3 and 4 seeded home stadiums respectively. Have the first-round games the week before New Years. Then have the New Years Six games and NC Game as they are doing now. More than 6 is dilution. 8 wouldn't kill the regular season, but it devalues it. 6 might even enhance the regular season as 4 has now.

 

[j_rc_93]

Funny that people thought moving from a 2 team title game to a 4 team playoff would reduce debate and disappointment. Every year there are far more teams that can lay claim to being #4 than #2. Moving to 8 would increase the cacophony of complaints.

That being said, 8 is the way to go. Guaranteed spot for Big 5 title game winners (B12 only gets spot w a title game) best non Big 5 team and the next 2 highest ranked teams

 

[ru109]

I would go the opposite way and get rid of one of the conference (big 12) and split the teams up to create 4 16 team conferences. After that you just have the 4 conference winners play each other in the playoffs. It takes all the politics and the human element out of it.