FWIW: Rettig started the scrimmage tonight with 1st team

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Tom Dienhart ‏@BTNTomDienhart 14m14 minutes ago
Hayden Rettig starts with first-team offense for @RFootball.

 

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With out Hicks, Martin, Arch and Carroo

 

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      Both QB's have played well for RU tonight - both eminently capable of running the team. Not an easy call - but beats alternative
      
      
      
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Dave Revsine ‏@BTNDaveRevsine 26m26 minutes ago
Will tweet observations tomorrow - but worth noting Rettig took 1st snaps w 1's for Rutgers

 

[LevaosLectures]

Exciting to hear.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

I really hope that Rettig turns out to be a star if he wins out.

 

[jay_hq]

I dunno who I am rooting for or even if I have a side.

Im just glad to hear we finally have a real competition.

May the best man win!

 

[RUinPAC10land]

I dunno who I am rooting for or even if I have a side.

Im just glad to hear we finally have a real competition.

May the best man win!

BTW I did not say that I am rooting for Rettig. I just want him to be a stud if he wins.

 

[mildone]

Based on in depth, detailed statistical analysis, if we win the first three games, 45% of the people who post on this board will be rooting hard for whoever the backup QB is for the fourth game. If we lose one of those three, 55% will be rooting for the backup. If we lose two of those, 80% will be rooting for the backup QB. If we were to actually lose all three, 98% would be rooting for the backup QB.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Well, for what it's worth, Rettig deserved a chance to be the first one on the field to show what he can do. Only fair.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Well, for what it's worth, Rettig deserved a chance to be the first one on the field to show what he can do. Only fair.

Me too, I hoping it is Rettig. I've met him and am really impressed with how
he conducts himself. Also if feel if Laviano could not beat out Nova, when he
was in the dog house,lost his starting job, and booed, and hated, I think it's time
to give the 4 star a chance

 

[KJ_RU]

Me too, I hoping it is Rettig. I've met him and am really impressed with how
he conducts himself. Also if feel if Laviano could not beat out Nova, when he
was in the dog house,lost his starting job, and booed, and hated, I think it's time
to give the 4 star a chance

I don't think anyone, other than you, expected Laviano to beat out Nova.

 

[jay_hq]

Me too, I hoping it is Rettig. I've met him and am really impressed with how
he conducts himself. Also if feel if Laviano could not beat out Nova, when he
was in the dog house,lost his starting job, and booed, and hated, I think it's time
to give the 4 star a chance

Laviano not beating out Nova in no way implies Rettig could have beat Nova.

 

[NickKnight 1]

I don't think anyone, other than you, expected Laviano to beat out Nova.

I Was one of the very few that wanted Nova to start, there were hundreds apon hundreds of hate posts on Nova during the off season. The Johnny come latelys, the revisionist, and the fair weather fans changed when he had the great
season. I know there is someones who can back me up on this.

 

[NickKnight 1]

I have no idea what kind of ridiculous logic that is.

Laviano not beating out Nova in no way implies Rettig could have beat Nova.

If A > B, that does not mean C > B. Perhaps you didnt pay attention in elementary school maths classes?

You are the one not paying attention, I never implied Rettig could
have beaten Nova. I just said now's the time to give Rettig a chance.
You don't have to be nasty.

 

[jay_hq]

You don't have to be nasty.

Youre right it was unnecessary, i edited it out.

But I still dont understand why Laviano not beating out nova means Rettig should get the start.

 

[RedSpartan]

Laviano not beating out Nova in no way implies Rettig could have beat Nova.

Maybe not, but I think I recall the mods saying that Rettig was our best qb last year, he just couldn't play.

 

[Ru2bnj]

The stats from the scrimmage indicate the decision won't be any easier. Very close statiscally with Laviano throwing for 3 TDs compared with 1 for Rettig. In the end, it isn't about "arm strength". It's about accuracy, smarts..right plays..not turning the ball over, toughness and leadership. What the staff has to decide is ....when RU is down by 10 at PSU late in the 3rd Quarter..which guy is more likely to lead the team back into the game? Not an easy evaluation to make.

 

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Ryan Dunleavy ‏@rydunleavy 31m31 minutes ago
Great 2-minute drive by Hayden Rettig to end scrimmage. QB play was about even

 

[ArminRU]

Rettig is listed on the 2nd team on nj.com. also, apparently first team offense went against second team defense and second team offense went against first team defense

 

[RU-05]

The stats from the scrimmage indicate the decision won't be any easier. Very close statiscally with Laviano throwing for 3 TDs compared with 1 for Rettig. In the end, it isn't about "arm strength". It's about accuracy, smarts..right plays..not turning the ball over, toughness and leadership. What the staff has to decide is ....when RU is down by 10 at PSU late in the 3rd Quarter..which guy is more likely to lead the team back into the game? Not an easy evaluation to make.

Why are some trying to discount the importance of arm strength?

 

[RU-05]

Rettig is listed on the 2nd team on nj.com. also, apparently first team offense went against second team defense and second team offense went against first team defense

But they did say players mixed in and out. Laviano threw a TD to Mathew's who was listed as 2nd teamer, While Rettig threw one to Agudosi who was listed as a first teamer.

 

[IMARUFAN]

If we were to actually lose all three, 98% would be rooting for the backup QB.

Nice try, but you made a gross error in one of you calculations. It will actually be 99% rooting for the backup QB if we start 0-3, not 98%.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Well, for what it's worth, Rettig deserved a chance to be the first one on the field to show what he can do. Only fair.

Me too, I hoping it is Rettig. I've met him and am really impressed with how
he conducts himself. Also if feel if Laviano could not beat out Nova, when he
was in the dog house,lost his starting job, and booed, and hated, I think it's time
to give the 4 star a chance

You misunderstand my point - Laviano has had the chance to be the first out on the field in a scrimmage, it's only fair that Rettig gets that opportunity. How can you fairly judge if they aren't give equal opportunities?

 

[ArminRU]

But they did say players mixed in and out. Laviano threw a TD to Mathew's who was listed as 2nd teamer, While Rettig threw one to Agudosi who was listed as a first teamer.

Gotcha, I'm trying to piece together as much context behind the stats as I can, lol

 

[RUckusbuck]

Maybe not, but I think I recall the mods saying that Rettig was our best qb last year, he just couldn't play.

Let me get this straight... A "rusty" Rettig was the best QB last year even though Nova set records? Nah...not buying it.

 

[sagar1127]

The stats from the scrimmage indicate the decision won't be any easier. Very close statiscally with Laviano throwing for 3 TDs compared with 1 for Rettig. In the end, it isn't about "arm strength". It's about accuracy, smarts..right plays..not turning the ball over, toughness and leadership. What the staff has to decide is ....when RU is down by 10 at PSU late in the 3rd Quarter..which guy is more likely to lead the team back into the game? Not an easy evaluation to make.

Agreed!! I'm going to trust Flood on his decision. The player who can keep calm and confident in the hostile game environments is the QB we need.

 

[PaKnight]

Maybe not, but I think I recall the mods saying that Rettig was our best qb last year, he just couldn't play.

They never said that.

 

[RUckusbuck]

Why are some trying to discount the importance of arm strength?

Arm strength is important but there comes a point where the returns for faster mph is negligible. Kind of like the difference between a 91 mph fastball and 93 mph. It doesn't mean much if the faster thrower has lesser command of it.

 

[mildone]

The stats from the scrimmage indicate the decision won't be any easier. Very close statiscally with Laviano throwing for 3 TDs compared with 1 for Rettig. In the end, it isn't about "arm strength". It's about accuracy, smarts..right plays..not turning the ball over, toughness and leadership. What the staff has to decide is ....when RU is down by 10 at PSU late in the 3rd Quarter..which guy is more likely to lead the team back into the game? Not an easy evaluation to make.

I would choose the guy that shows the composure to throw the ball out of bounds repeatedly instead of trying to force things. Because it's that guy that can hopefully keep us from falling way behind early in the game. Leading the team to a come from behind win is absolutely important but should be a secondarily sought after skill for the starter.

All predicated on our defense having improved somewhat since last season. And predicated on both QBs being able to make the required throws. There's has to be balance. The QB can't be throwing the ball away when there are open receivers or when we're down in the fourth quarter and it's tight but doable.

Nova spent three years throwing it out there even in very low percentage situations early in the game. Tons of early game interceptions. Sometimes he hit, but even a lot of his completions the first three years were pretty lucky or simply due to a weak secondary, or both (the Arkansas games jump to mind as good examples of this).

One of our away games early last season, Nova fired one in there for a completion that barely avoided going for a pick six and never should've been thrown. Even though it was a completion, someone reported overhearing the Fridge tearing into Nova from upstairs for not throwing the ball away.

When the QB hits passes that are open, that's great. When he hits passes that aren't open and that were lucky to make it to the receiver, that's better than being unlucky at that moment, but does not bode well for the long term.

Biggest improvement in Nova's game the fourth year was his composure (overlooking PSU) and humility. I'd be showing the QBs game film of Nova's early game INTs and then his much better composure his senior year.

 

[mildone]

Nice try, but you made a gross error in one of you calculations. It will actually be 99% rooting for the backup QB if we start 0-3, not 98%.

I farmed the math out to the congressional budget office.

 

[RU-05]

Arm strength is important but there comes a point where the returns for faster mph is negligible. Kind of like the difference between a 91 mph fastball and 93 mph. It doesn't mean much if the faster thrower has lesser command of it.

Well I guess that is kind of the unknown here. Is Rettig throwing 93 mph? Or is he throwing 95+?

But like in pitching, arm strength is by no means a small factor.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Youre right it was unnecessary, i edited it out.

But I still dont understand why Laviano not beating out nova means Rettig should get the start.

Fine . I'll try to rephrase. Just trying to say. Laviano started a half of a season
then last year, he had some time on the field. I would like to see what Rettig
can do. I hate to see a guy transfer out of his 1st choice to come to us, which
is good to see,( someone leaving a good football school to come to our beloved
school. I don't like some statements that I'll start my choice, then that's it, it
stays that way. Reminds me of when GS stated Cubit is my choice for the whole year no matter what. I"ll feel for either guy that doesn'g make it. But I'd
like to see Rettig in the first two games, to see what he can do. I have already
seen what Laviano can do. Imagine that Laviano doesn't make it and Rettig
starts against Ohio ST?

 

[RU-05]

Fine . I'll try to rephrase. Just trying to say. Laviano started a half of a season
then last year, he had some time on the field. I would like to see what Rettig
can do. I hate to see a guy transfer out of his 1st choice to come to us, which
is good to see,( someone leaving a good football school to come to our beloved
school. I don't like some statements that I'll start my choice, then that's it, it
stays that way. Reminds me of when GS stated Cubit is my choice for the whole year no matter what. I"ll feel for either guy that doesn'g make it. But I'd
like to see Rettig in the first two games, to see what he can do. I have already
seen what Laviano can do. Imagine that Laviano doesn't make it and Rettig
starts against Ohio ST?

Have you though?

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I hate the idea that we might have 2 QBs who are really close in talent yet Flood will anoint one and then give him the Nova carte blanche because, unlike Schiano, Flood won't shuffle QBs. Anyone here remember Flood sending in Chas Dodd late in games only to hand-off? I hope he has learned something as head coach and actually wants to develop a quality backup this time around.

 

[RU-05]

I hate the idea that we might have 2 QBs who are really close in talent yet Flood will anoint one and then give him the Nova carte blanche because, unlike Schiano, Flood won't shuffle QBs. Anyone here remember Flood sending in Chas Dodd late in games only to hand-off? I hope he has learned something as head coach and actually wants to develop a quality backup this time around.

Anyone remember when Flood did pull Nova in 2013 and Dodd finished the season in ultra unimpressive fashion.

I think Flood clearly wants to name a #1 and will then give that player a long leash. But it's also looking like whoever the #2 is this season will be much better then Dodd was in 2012 or 2013.

 

[BOGDANOVICH]

I hate the idea that we might have 2 QBs who are really close in talent yet Flood will anoint one and then give him the Nova carte blanche because, unlike Schiano, Flood won't shuffle QBs. Anyone here remember Flood sending in Chas Dodd late in games only to hand-off? I hope he has learned something as head coach and actually wants to develop a quality backup this time around.

Flood's refusal to change QBs midstream is his greatest liability as a coach.

 

[vkj91]

Flood's refusal to change QBs midstream is his greatest liability as a coach.

That's one opinion. Let's sat Flood keeps pulling nova and as a result he loses confidence. We don't win 8 games last year. Of all the dumb crap I read on this board nothing is more annoying that this idea that coaches across the country are grooming backups. It simply doesn't happen....coaches don't put in backup QB's unless they are up huge and when they do it's to hand the ball off.

 

[rufeelinit]

Sounds like both QBs played well again and thus did not make it easy on KF to pick the starter. Whomever he picks I don't think they get a Nova like lock on the starting job. Both should play against Norfolk since I expect we stay "vanilla" most of the game. If Laviano was thought to have the slight edge coming into the fall and they remain relatively even, then he might be the pick. Of course we can only go by the statistics and I am wondering if there are any significant intangibles that separate the two. As far as I am concerned Norfolk represents a continuation of the preseason so if KF wanted to hold off making decision and continue the rotation through that game I would be fine with it.

 

[RedSpartan]

Let me get this straight... A "rusty" Rettig was the best QB last year even though Nova set records? Nah...not buying it.

They never said that.

Yes they did. But whatever, it doesn't matter at this point.